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Making Dents & Bulges in Plastic Cars - Techniques?

Andy Carlson
 

Years ago I came upon a most realistic warping of a steel freight car side when I wasn't careful in mixing the two components for a urethane pour into the box car side's mold. After removal from the mold, I had the most beautiful distress that I felt was worth replicating. None of my purposeful attempts yielded anything close, often I had swerls with uncured wet spots of resin. I suppose continuing experiments may lead to the discovery.

-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


Re: Making Dents & Bulges in Plastic Cars - Techniques?

Roger Huber
 

Aaron,

That looks nice!

Roger Huber
Deer Creek Locomotive Works


On Monday, November 25, 2019, 11:16:14 AM CST, npin53 <npin53@...> wrote:


This is a Westerfield PRR gondola. It took damage easily and I think realistically. I used a heat gun and various pointed objects.

Aaron Gjermundson

Re: Making Dents & Bulges in Plastic Cars - Techniques?

npin53
 

This is a Westerfield PRR gondola. It took damage easily and I think realistically. I used a heat gun and various pointed objects.

Aaron Gjermundson

Re: Making Dents & Bulges in Plastic Cars - Techniques?

npin53
 

Resin is far more forgiving. Styrene gondola sides are too thick, and the plastic is difficult to control when you try to manipulate it. Resin is usually far thinner and has memory, so if you don't like what you've done just warm it up again and it bounces back.

Aaron Gjermundson 

Re: CB&Q FM-11 flat car

James E Kubanick
 

A beautiful looking car, George.Thanks for showing your build methods.

Jim Kubanick
Morgantown WV

On Monday, November 25, 2019, 6:54:03 AM EST, Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:


George Toman shares his work in building an HO scale CB&Q resin flat car kit. It's the latest post on the Resin Car Works blog.


Eric Hansmann
RCW web guy

Re: Making Dent Bulges in Plastic Cars -e Techniques?

mel perry
 

the issue was an rmc article 
mel perry

On Mon, Nov 25, 2019, 6:41 AM Jon Miller <atsfus@...> wrote:
On 11/24/2019 5:08 PM, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io wrote:
Making Dents & Bulges in Plastic Cars - Techniques?

    One of the mags had an article many years ago.  Try searching a RMC or MR data base, if there is one.

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
SPROG User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS

Re: Making Dents & Bulges in Plastic Cars - Techniques?

Daniel A. Mitchell
 

I’ve never seen melted plastic look like bent metal. The two materials just don’t bend the same way. YMMV. I do recall some fellow ten years or so back that replaced all the plastic panels with thin aluminum or copper foil, and then dented that. Lots of work, but looked great!

Dan Mitchell
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On Nov 25, 2019, at 9:41 AM, Jon Miller <atsfus@...> wrote:

On 11/24/2019 5:08 PM, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io wrote:
Making Dents & Bulges in Plastic Cars - Techniques?

    One of the mags had an article many years ago.  Try searching a RMC or MR data base, if there is one.

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
SPROG User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS

Re: Making Dents & Bulges in Plastic Cars - Techniques?

Jon Miller
 

On 11/24/2019 5:08 PM, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io wrote:
Making Dents & Bulges in Plastic Cars - Techniques?

    One of the mags had an article many years ago.  Try searching a RMC or MR data base, if there is one.

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
SPROG User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS

CB&Q FM-11 flat car

Eric Hansmann
 

George Toman shares his work in building an HO scale CB&Q resin flat car kit. It's the latest post on the Resin Car Works blog.


Eric Hansmann
RCW web guy

Re: Erie 78500 series boxcars

pennsylvania1954
 

I have sent to Brian a photo of 78601 privately. It shows a reweigh date of 3-57 and has a nice, new, shiny paint job so I assume it was painted 3-57, too. It is clear that the ends are the same shade of boxcar red as the sides.
--
Steve Hoxie
Pensacola FL

Re: Erie 78500 series boxcars

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Yes, the Des Plaines cars came with black ends.  I looked at mine (unbuilt) to see.  I believe that they were modeling the as-delivered paint.  Mike’s comments about your modeling era ring true, but I think it’s more of an issue that depends on the particular car – some didn’t get repainted for a long time, and there could be >>weathered<< black ends well into the 50s.

 

It’s also conceivable that some shops might have repainted the car and left the ends well enough alone, or might have renewed the black car cement.

 

As I realize you know full well, best to model from a photo . . . which can be pretty hard to find.

 

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Carlson via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2019 8:02 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Erie 78500 series boxcars

 

Thanks Mike and everyone else who sent me information on and off list.

 

I was working on the kit at a show this weekend so I didn’t have most of my materials.

 

 I believe what I’m going to do is paint the entire car freight car color and letter it as a reweigh/repaint date in the mid 50s. 

 

I have one of the older Des Plaines cars. But I wanted to do another one. I think des Plaines did theirs with black end but mines put away for the moment.  The Desplaines car was also one of my earlier ones it’ll probably go into the upgrade queue. I think it might even have Kadee air hose brackets, yuck. 

 

Now to determine if the running board was painted. 

 

Also, it looks like intermountain had eight rung ladders with the integrated step so I think I have some of those, otherwise I will try pierre’s ladders

 

Brian J. Carlson 



On Nov 24, 2019, at 7:51 PM, Schleigh Mike via Groups.Io <mike_schleigh@...> wrote:



Hello Brian & Group!

 

In the several responses to Brian's two inquiries about ERIE boxcar painting practices, I believe his basic question has not been resolved, that is:  what would be the color of the repainted ends on the 1940 built 78500-78999 XM cars in the mid-1950s?

 

From my collection I found no help (yet) from boxcar lettering drawings.  Only the stenciling and monogram are referenced with no mention of 'body' color.  This is not the case for other drawings.

 

Several photos in my collection from even the mid to late 1940s suggest that the ends were being repainted in the FCR of the body.  However, new cars were being delivered in the mid-1950s with the black ends.  It would appear that any boxcar repainted by the RR did not receive black ends.  My own (late 1950s and beyond) experience viewing cars on the hometown ERIE did not present black ends at all but photo examples can be found after the 1960 E-L merger.

 

I believe this question has been addressed in the past by the ELRHS but I am not presently able to review that  in back issues of their Diamond but perhaps others have the pertinent ERIE documentation.  For your your needs you would be very safe going with FCR ends on any ERIE boxcar repainted before your late-1950s modeling era.

 

Regards from Grove City, Penna, where winter is returning......Mike Schleigh

 

On Saturday, November 23, 2019, 02:58:28 PM EST, Brian Carlson via Groups.Io <prrk41361@...> wrote:

 

 

Does anyone have a mid 1950 photo of the Erie 78500-78999!cars. Working on a model and trying to determine if the ends were repainted brown or black.

 

Brian J. Carlson

 

 

Making Dents & Bulges in Plastic Cars - Techniques?

Bob Chaparro
 

Making Dents & Bulges in Plastic Cars - Techniques?

Allowing for differences in plastic composition and thickness in HO scale hoppers and gondolas, what techniques do those of you with experience recommend for creating dents and bulges in such cars?

I am especially interested in temperature ranges and choice of equipment used for softening plastic.

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Re: Erie 78500 series boxcars

Brian Carlson
 

Thanks Mike and everyone else who sent me information on and off list.

I was working on the kit at a show this weekend so I didn’t have most of my materials.

 I believe what I’m going to do is paint the entire car freight car color and letter it as a reweigh/repaint date in the mid 50s. 

I have one of the older Des Plaines cars. But I wanted to do another one. I think des Plaines did theirs with black end but mines put away for the moment.  The Desplaines car was also one of my earlier ones it’ll probably go into the upgrade queue. I think it might even have Kadee air hose brackets, yuck. 

Now to determine if the running board was painted. 

Also, it looks like intermountain had eight rung ladders with the integrated step so I think I have some of those, otherwise I will try pierre’s ladders

Brian J. Carlson 

On Nov 24, 2019, at 7:51 PM, Schleigh Mike via Groups.Io <mike_schleigh@...> wrote:


Hello Brian & Group!

In the several responses to Brian's two inquiries about ERIE boxcar painting practices, I believe his basic question has not been resolved, that is:  what would be the color of the repainted ends on the 1940 built 78500-78999 XM cars in the mid-1950s?

From my collection I found no help (yet) from boxcar lettering drawings.  Only the stenciling and monogram are referenced with no mention of 'body' color.  This is not the case for other drawings.

Several photos in my collection from even the mid to late 1940s suggest that the ends were being repainted in the FCR of the body.  However, new cars were being delivered in the mid-1950s with the black ends.  It would appear that any boxcar repainted by the RR did not receive black ends.  My own (late 1950s and beyond) experience viewing cars on the hometown ERIE did not present black ends at all but photo examples can be found after the 1960 E-L merger.

I believe this question has been addressed in the past by the ELRHS but I am not presently able to review that  in back issues of their Diamond but perhaps others have the pertinent ERIE documentation.  For your your needs you would be very safe going with FCR ends on any ERIE boxcar repainted before your late-1950s modeling era.

Regards from Grove City, Penna, where winter is returning......Mike Schleigh

On Saturday, November 23, 2019, 02:58:28 PM EST, Brian Carlson via Groups.Io <prrk41361@...> wrote:


Does anyone have a mid 1950 photo of the Erie 78500-78999!cars. Working on a model and trying to determine if the ends were repainted brown or black.

Brian J. Carlson


Re: Erie 78500 series boxcars

Schleigh Mike
 

Hello Brian & Group!

In the several responses to Brian's two inquiries about ERIE boxcar painting practices, I believe his basic question has not been resolved, that is:  what would be the color of the repainted ends on the 1940 built 78500-78999 XM cars in the mid-1950s?

From my collection I found no help (yet) from boxcar lettering drawings.  Only the stenciling and monogram are referenced with no mention of 'body' color.  This is not the case for other drawings.

Several photos in my collection from even the mid to late 1940s suggest that the ends were being repainted in the FCR of the body.  However, new cars were being delivered in the mid-1950s with the black ends.  It would appear that any boxcar repainted by the RR did not receive black ends.  My own (late 1950s and beyond) experience viewing cars on the hometown ERIE did not present black ends at all but photo examples can be found after the 1960 E-L merger.

I believe this question has been addressed in the past by the ELRHS but I am not presently able to review that  in back issues of their Diamond but perhaps others have the pertinent ERIE documentation.  For your your needs you would be very safe going with FCR ends on any ERIE boxcar repainted before your late-1950s modeling era.

Regards from Grove City, Penna, where winter is returning......Mike Schleigh

On Saturday, November 23, 2019, 02:58:28 PM EST, Brian Carlson via Groups.Io <prrk41361@...> wrote:


Does anyone have a mid 1950 photo of the Erie 78500-78999!cars. Working on a model and trying to determine if the ends were repainted brown or black.

Brian J. Carlson


Re: Erie 78500 series boxcars

 

I'll answer my own question.

Running board / brake step, Apex Tri-lok

Handbrake, Ajax

Link to Ed's table for 1937 40' AAR Boxcars

http://steamerafreightcars.com/prototype/frtcars/1937aarmain.html

Dan Smith

Re: Erie 78500 series boxcars

 

Link to Trainlife file Garth references:

http://magazine.trainlife.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/rmj_199107.pdf

Article begins on page 42.

This car was done as a Des Plaines IMWX / RC kit, without the B-1 trucks.

Running board type? Handbrake?

Dan Smith

Re: Car Classifications For Loads

Bob Chaparro
 

Thanks for the book tip. Guy.
I just bought a print-on-demand copy from Abe Books.
Bob Chaparro

Re: Erie 78500 series boxcars

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

Al and Brian,

The builder's photos of 78500 (side and A-end) are on page 44 of Ed Hawkins' article "1937 AAR Boxcars built by ACF" in the July 1991 RAILMODEL JOURNAL. Ed said there was no chip available for the side color, but suggested Floquil ATSF Mineral Brown (allied roads NKP, C&O and PM also ordered these cars, and he specifies that paint color as the closest match for those roads). The Viking roof, underframe and National Type-B trucks were black.

Hope this is useful.


Yours Aye,

Garth Groff


On Sun, Nov 24, 2019 at 3:20 PM Allan Smith <smithal9@...> wrote:

Try the Protocraft decal website under Erie 1937 boxcars. There is a photo of 78500 and a description of black car cement on the ends.


Al Smith
Sonora Ca
On Sunday, November 24, 2019, 08:39:45 AM PST, Brian Carlson via Groups.Io <prrk41361=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:


Follow up does intermountain make 8 rung ladders for the end of the car 1937 AAR car.

My undec kit came with 8 rung ladders for the side but not the ends

Brian J. Carlson
> On Nov 23, 2019, at 2:58 PM, Brian Carlson via Groups.Io <prrk41361=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
>
> Does anyone have a mid 1950 photo of the Erie 78500-78999!cars. Working on a model and trying to determine if the ends were repainted brown or black.
>
> Brian J. Carlson
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Re: Erie 78500 series boxcars

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Having just gone through (and mostly deleted) all my email from last Thursday on, I was about to research this question for Brian, but Al has saved me the trouble.  I can confirm that he’s correct about this, however.  As to the follow-up about 8 rung ladders for the end . . . I think so.  My Shake’n’Take is based on that car, and came with an 8 rung ladder.  However, sometimes it seems that IM sends out these kits with a different end, so that might be the issue.  The car I did was from the 98500 series.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Allan Smith
Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2019 3:20 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Erie 78500 series boxcars

 

 

Try the Protocraft decal website under Erie 1937 boxcars. There is a photo of 78500 and a description of black car cement on the ends.

 

 

Al Smith

Sonora Ca

On Sunday, November 24, 2019, 08:39:45 AM PST, Brian Carlson via Groups.Io <prrk41361@...> wrote:

 

 

Follow up does intermountain make 8 rung ladders for the end of the car 1937 AAR car.

 

My undec kit came with 8 rung ladders for the side but not the ends

 

Brian J. Carlson

> On Nov 23, 2019, at 2:58 PM, Brian Carlson via Groups.Io <prrk41361=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

>

> Does anyone have a mid 1950 photo of the Erie 78500-78999!cars. Working on a model and trying to determine if the ends were repainted brown or black.

>

> Brian J. Carlson

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Re: Erie 78500 series boxcars

Allan Smith
 


Try the Protocraft decal website under Erie 1937 boxcars. There is a photo of 78500 and a description of black car cement on the ends.


Al Smith
Sonora Ca

On Sunday, November 24, 2019, 08:39:45 AM PST, Brian Carlson via Groups.Io <prrk41361@...> wrote:


Follow up does intermountain make 8 rung ladders for the end of the car 1937 AAR car.

My undec kit came with 8 rung ladders for the side but not the ends

Brian J. Carlson
> On Nov 23, 2019, at 2:58 PM, Brian Carlson via Groups.Io <prrk41361=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
>
> Does anyone have a mid 1950 photo of the Erie 78500-78999!cars. Working on a model and trying to determine if the ends were repainted brown or black.
>
> Brian J. Carlson
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