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Re: SP&S 14411 Box Car Roof View

rwitt_2000
 

Ed and Todd,

That's what it looks like to my eyes. The seller does "color correct" some of his listings, but that wouldn't change the color of just one group of stencils. They all should appear the same.

Bob Witt


Re: SP&S 14411 Box Car Roof View

Todd Sullivan
 

Hi Ed,

I seem to recall that the reporting marks on that series of SP&S boxcars were applied in Scotchlite reflective material, which is why they accumulated dirt and dust and/or lost their white look more quickly than the painted lettering.

Todd Sullivan


Re: SP&S 14411 Box Car Roof View

Schuyler Larrabee
 

I noticed that and wondered why . . .



I also noted that there is, as far as I can see, ONE car with a peeling
roof, and not terribly badly at that. I think modelers get carried away
with that.



Schuyler



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Subject: Re: [STMFC] SP&S 14411 Box Car Roof View







On Apr 7, 2017, at 7:32 PM, rwitt_2000@... [STMFC]
<STMFC@...> wrote:





A yard scene illustrating many different finishing and weathering of box car
roofs.



Bob,

The SP&S 14411 car appears to have yellow reporting marks & car number while
other stencils are white. Is this true, or are my eyes playing tricks?




<http://www.ebay.com/itm/Original-Slide-Freight-SP-S-Spokane-Portland-Seattl
e-Box-Car-14411-in-1960-/352014499614?hash=item51f5b2ff1e:g:4sYAAOSwB-1Y1w~V
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Original-Slide-Freight-SP-S-Spokane-Portland-Seattle
-Box-Car-14411-in-1960-/352014499614?hash=item51f5b2ff1e:g:4sYAAOSwB-1Y1w~V

or

<http://tinyurl.com/m54tkeh> http://tinyurl.com/m54tkeh

Regards,

Ed Hawkins


Re: SP&S 14411 Box Car Roof View

Todd Horton
 

I think you're correct Ed. 
 
Todd Horton



From: "Ed Hawkins hawk0621@... [STMFC]"
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Friday, April 7, 2017 10:10 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] SP&S 14411 Box Car Roof View

 

On Apr 7, 2017, at 7:32 PM, rwitt_2000@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

A yard scene illustrating many different finishing and weathering of box car roofs.

Bob,
The SP&S 14411 car appears to have yellow reporting marks & car number while other stencils are white. Is this true, or are my eyes playing tricks? 

Regards,
Ed Hawkins



Re: SP&S 14411 Box Car Roof View

Ed Hawkins
 


On Apr 7, 2017, at 7:32 PM, rwitt_2000@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

A yard scene illustrating many different finishing and weathering of box car roofs.


Bob,
The SP&S 14411 car appears to have yellow reporting marks & car number while other stencils are white. Is this true, or are my eyes playing tricks? 

Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Re: ORERs

John Riddell
 

Schuyler,
 
July 1960 shows 6 still in revenue service.
 
John Riddell


SP&S 14411 Box Car Roof View

rwitt_2000
 


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Tangent Scale Models
 

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ORER responses

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Thanks to Todd Sullivan, Barry Bennett, Ray Breyer and Mike Schleigh, along with two other personal friends who are not on this list, I have the following about the DL&W 11350-11599 series life span in the 50s:

 

1950                294

10/51               292

1/52                 292

55                    198

4/57                 189

59                      98

10/60                   6

 

Thanks for your help.  They obviously were being whitelined in the late 50s.  I’m surprised that any made into EL ownership.  VERY doubtful that they were painted EL.

 

 

Schuyler

 


Re: Accurail underframe assembly tips

Eric Hansmann
 

---In STMFC@..., Dennis wrote :

Thanks for the excellent tutorial on assembling our new kit underframe. May we have permission to place a copy of the PDF file on the Accurail web site?

The design of the brake rod and lever part was kind of a 'leap of faith' on my part. I had already proven to myself that a one-piece brake rigging molding was possible with the part we did for our gondola, which we later adapted to our 40' boxcar floor, but that part relies on the brake cylinder mounting to hold it in place, and that precluded adapting it to our existing fishbelly underframe.

When designing the new kit, however, I had an epiphany; it looked like it would be possible to fish the brake rigging through the slots in the sills, if I could come up with a way to anchor the acetal part in place, which is the reason for the snap catch on the end of the intermediate lever, so it stays attached to the sill. The other end is held in place by the clevis on the brake cylinder push rod.

You mention the lever is too thick to fit in the clevis. Did you notice the small half round depressions in the lever? That portion is reduced in thickness to fit the clevis, and holds it in proper alignment. With the intermediate lever clipped to one sill, when the two sills are assembled, the cylinder lever can't slide through the clevis.

Your tip to use a piece of masking tape to hold the sills in alignment during assembly is inspired. I have been holding the sills by the ends as I add the crossbearers. Because of the odd off center location of the brake cylinder on the New York Central prototype, the brake rigging part had to be made with one rod too long (so it will also work with the straight sills) and clipping this back past the end of the sill makes it  easier to hold the sills with your fingers on the ends. The brake rods really only have to run behind the wheels where the end can't be seen; I designed them to run past the axle so there is no chance the end will drop to the track. This is the location that the prototype would connect to the truck live lever, which is something I don't think we are ready to do in HO scale... yet.

 

 

Dennis,

You have my permission to post the PDF file to the Accurail site. After pulling together the text and photos I realized a PDF file would be an extra bonus for many folks. It was easy to put together. I created the post to share techniques. I hope the tutorial helps modelers with their car build. Once you build one, you realize how the parts fall together.

The tutorial features the third Accurail 36-foot underframe I’ve built and it’s the first time I’ve noticed the small half-round impression. I probably tried to fit the end of that brake lever through the clevis on previous builds, hence the scraping step to thin part of the lever. It’s now a smack my head moment.

I’m looking forward to the straight center sill models!

Eric Hansmann

El Paso, TX


Re: REA Express Reefer In Freight Train

rwitt_2000
 

Ted,

Did you account for left-hand running on the CNW?

Bob Witt


Re: Accurail underframe assembly tips

Dennis Storzek
 




---In STMFC@..., <eric@...> wrote :

In response to statements and queries about assembling the Accurail 36-foot box car underframe...

http://designbuildop.hansmanns.org/2017/04/07/accurail-36-foot-box-car-underframe-tutorial/


Eric Hansmann
El Paso, TX

================


Eric,


Thanks for the excellent tutorial on assembling our new kit underframe. May we have permission to place a copy of the PDF file on the Accurail web site?


The design of the brake rod and lever part was kind of a 'leap of faith' on my part. I had already proven to myself that a one-piece brake rigging molding was possible with the part we did for our gondola, which we later adapted to our 40' boxcar floor, but that part relies on the brake cylinder mounting to hold it in place, and that precluded adapting it to our existing fishbelly underframe.


When designing the new kit, however, I had an epiphany; it looked like it would be possible to fish the brake rigging through the slots in the sills, if I could come up with a way to anchor the acetal part in place, which is the reason for the snap catch on the end of the intermediate lever, so it stays attached to the sill. The other end is held in place by the clevis on the brake cylinder push rod.


You mention the lever is too thick to fit in the clevis. Did you notice the small half round depressions in the lever? That portion is reduced in thickness to fit the clevis, and holds it in proper alignment. With the intermediate lever clipped to one sill, when the two sills are assembled, the cylinder lever can't slide through the clevis.


Your tip to use a piece of masking tape to hold the sills in alignment during assembly is inspired. I have been holding the sills by the ends as I add the crossbearers. Because of the odd off center location of the brake cylinder on the New York Central prototype, the brake rigging part had to be made with one rod too long (so it will also work with the straight sills) and clipping this back past the end of the sill makes it  easier to hold the sills with your fingers on the ends. The brake rods really only have to run behind the wheels where the end can't be seen; I designed them to run past the axle so there is no chance the end will drop to the track. This is the location that the prototype would connect to the truck live lever, which is something I don't think we are ready to do in HO scale... yet.


Dennis Storzek




Re: Running Boards Replacements (Sorry, No Ladder Talk In This Post)

StephenK
 

I have had some success with this method, although I spray the water FIRST, then sprinkle.   You can move the grains around a little with the non-business end of a brush, then let dry.

Steve KY


Re: ladder nomenclature - from Wikipedia

Jared Harper
 




---In STMFC@..., <destorzek@...> wrote :




---In STMFC@..., <schuyler.larrabee@...> wrote :

Yeah, sure, but there IS a difference between stiles and styles. That was my main point.


Schuyler
==================

Problem es, spellin' as gone all ta 'ell dees days.8>)

Dennis Storzek


Accurail underframe assembly tips

Eric Hansmann
 

In response to statements and queries about assembling the Accurail 36-foot box car underframe, the DesignBuildOp blog has published a tutorial to assist modeler's efforts. Follow along with the assembly and tips on installing Kadee couplers. Once you build one of these, additional underframes will fall together easily.

http://designbuildop.hansmanns.org/2017/04/07/accurail-36-foot-box-car-underframe-tutorial/


Eric Hansmann
El Paso, TX


Re: ORERs

Schleigh Mike
 

October 1959 ORER shows 16.

Mike Schleigh in snowy Grove City, Penna.



From: "'Schuyler Larrabee' schuyler.larrabee@... [STMFC]"
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Thursday, April 6, 2017 10:03 PM
Subject: [STMFC] ORERs

 
I’d appreciate assistance with establishing when Lackawanna’s 40’ DD box cars 11350 – 11599 went off the roster.  I know there were 294 still extant in 1950, but as rebuilt USRA cars, I suspect they diminished in number pretty quickly and were probably gone by the EL merger in 1960.
 
Any assistance welcomed.
 
Schuyler
 



Re: REA Express Reefer In Freight Train

Denny Anspach
 

That beautiful photo is on the Kate Shelley bridge west of Boone, IA, a bridge still in place but bypassed in recent years in favor of a new bridge nearby. Reportedly, a major reason for the replacement was the corrosion caused by decades of passing ice reefers dripping brine down through the ties onto the bridge girders!

The new replacement bridge is made up largely from deck girders salvaged from the much, much newer abandoned Milwaukee Road bridge not far away. That bridge in turn was built by the Corps of Engineers for the Milwaukee when they dammed the Des Moines River after the War and forced track realignment.

Denny

Denny S. Anspach, MD
Sacramento, CA 95864


Re: ORERs

Ray Breyer
 

There were still 98 of them on the roster in January 1959. beyond that I can't say.
Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL



From: "'Schuyler Larrabee' schuyler.larrabee@... [STMFC]"
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Thursday, April 6, 2017 9:03 PM
Subject: [STMFC] ORERs



I’d appreciate assistance with establishing when Lackawanna’s 40’ DD box cars 11350 – 11599 went off the roster.  I know there were 294 still extant in 1950, but as rebuilt USRA cars, I suspect they diminished in number pretty quickly and were probably gone by the EL merger in 1960.
 
Any assistance welcomed.
 
Schuyler
 





Re: ORERs

Todd Sullivan
 

Schuyler,

My January 1952 ORER says series 11300-11599 (40' XMR auto boxcars, 12'-6" staggered side doors, 40t capy, with Evans Auto Loader devices) had 292 cars in it.  Is this the same series you asked about?

I think have a 1960 ORER buried in a storage box somewhere; I could try finding it tomorrow and check, if you want.

Todd Sullivan


Re: REA Express Reefer In Freight Train

Ted Schnepf
 

Hi Bob,

I believe the train is westbound, so the car might be empty or have a back haul of some sort.

ted

At 03:27 PM 4/6/2017, you wrote:


This is another photo link from the Chicago and North Western Railway Archives Art Collections.

 

It shows an REA express reefer mixed in with non-express reefers. Assuming this express reefer was loaded, how often would such reefers appear in freight trains rather than in passenger trains?

 

https://pixels.com/featured/freight-train-crosses-high-bridge-1959-chicago-and-north-western-historical-society.html

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

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