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Re: I count five (5) pickle cars in this image

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi Dave,

That was a very enjoyable read!

Claus Schlund

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Jeez… the things we learn – and retain -- from our hobbies. The following comments are from a study of several Sanborn maps – Chicago 1950, Vol 5, maps 39, 40, and 51, which I reviewed 5 years ago while working on a simulator route centered on Goose Island, Chicago.



This image is in Chicago and is taken at Courtland Ave (North side), looking north along the C&NW Wisconsin Div tracks. The thru bridge is over Cortland Ave. The tall building on the left is a C&NW suburban service station (the route splits right here). The MILW crossed the C&NW tracks a block south of this photo on its way to Goose Island.



The further building on the right is an ordinary loft storage facility. Foreground right is the Squire Dingee pickle factory (street address is the 1800 block of Besley Ct., ending at Courtland). The building was there in 2014 when I photographed the exterior.



Could it be somewhere else? Sure. But I’d bet money that I’m correct… too many things are a perfect match.



Dave Nelson



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I suspect those are Squire Dingee cars: see Leider, "Pickle and Vinegar Makers of the Midwest", pp 60-61.



Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.














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Re: I count five (5) pickle cars in this image

Dave Nelson
 

Jeez… the things we learn – and retain -- from our hobbies. The following comments are from a study of several Sanborn maps – Chicago 1950, Vol 5, maps 39, 40, and 51, which I reviewed 5 years ago while working on a simulator route centered on Goose Island, Chicago.



This image is in Chicago and is taken at Courtland Ave (North side), looking north along the C&NW Wisconsin Div tracks. The thru bridge is over Cortland Ave. The tall building on the left is a C&NW suburban service station (the route splits right here). The MILW crossed the C&NW tracks a block south of this photo on its way to Goose Island.



The further building on the right is an ordinary loft storage facility. Foreground right is the Squire Dingee pickle factory (street address is the 1800 block of Besley Ct., ending at Courtland). The building was there in 2014 when I photographed the exterior.



Could it be somewhere else? Sure. But I’d bet money that I’m correct… too many things are a perfect match.



Dave Nelson



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I suspect those are Squire Dingee cars: see Leider, "Pickle and Vinegar Makers of the Midwest", pp 60-61.



Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.










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Re: Some enjoyable steam era freight car views in the Barriger collection...

rwitt_2000
 

Another ...

CGW 70009 LO
https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/albums/72157641119576365/with/12594485815/

One comment states:
"CGW tower Ft Dodge Iowa at FtDDM&S xing. View is looking North".

Bob Witt


Re: tie replacement project

Jack Burgess
 

The trees and topography scream Sierra Foothills to me. I think the location is on the Yosemite Valley Railroad. I didn't dig out a book to determine what bridge that is; when Jack Burgess chimes in we'll find out.

--
Rod Miller
Handcraftsman

Sorry, the YV didn't have a bridge like that one.

Jack Burgess


Re: I count five (5) pickle cars in this image

Ted Schnepf
 

Hi John and list,

Just let the record reflect that the scratchbuilt pickle car on my layout was made by David Leider, author of the pickle book.  And I believe he had a construction article on the car in RMC magazine, if memory serves me correct.

ted

At 03:44 PM 7/31/2017, you wrote:


In regards to the photo mentioned in David Leiders pickle book, it is on page 61. It is car 116 and the photo is from 1947.

The reporting marks for Squire Dingee are SDX.

BTW, decals for Squire Dingee cars are available from OBS-CALS in any scale. They were designed to match SDX 116 as it appears in the photo but other numbers are included.

As can be seen in the John W. Barriger III National Railroad Library photo, all the cars are of the same basic style. That said, they all seem to vary in the details. So any similar car using four wooden vats should make for a convincing model.



I know Ted Schnepf scratch built at least one in O scale.

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Re: tie replacement project

Rod Miller
 

On 7/31/17 3:27 PM, destorzek@mchsi.com [STMFC] wrote:





---In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, <badlands@...> wrote :

The negative is labeled ‘UP’, but that looks to me like a long string of
skeleton log cars sitting on the bridge in the background.

Charlie
====================

I read that as "WP". And no, the ties weren't unloaded as a "unified load". In
this era they would be unloaded by hand and stacked to a standard plan, for the
reason Tony mentioned.

Dennis Storzek
The trees and topography scream Sierra Foothills to me. I think
the location is on the Yosemite Valley Railroad. I didn't
dig out a book to determine what bridge that is; when Jack Burgess
chimes in we'll find out.

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Re: tie replacement project

Dennis Storzek
 




---In STMFC@..., <badlands@...> wrote :

The negative is labeled ‘UP’, but that looks to me like a long string of skeleton log cars sitting on the bridge in the background.
 
Charlie
====================

I read that as "WP". And no, the ties weren't unloaded as a "unified load". In this era they would be unloaded by hand and stacked to a standard plan, for the reason Tony mentioned.

Dennis Storzek


Re: tie replacement project

Charles Morrill
 

The negative is labeled ‘UP’, but that looks to me like a long string of skeleton log cars sitting on the bridge in the background.
 
Charlie
 

From: Tony Thompson tony@... [STMFC]
Sent: Monday, July 31, 2017 3:33 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] tie replacement project
 


Claus Schlund wrote:

Consider for a moment the nice view (one of a sequence in the collection) illustrating a tie replacement project.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/12296855653/sizes/o/

Notice the top layer of ties on the two full height stacks is specifically and neatly loaded at a slant. Can anyone suggest a reason
for this? Did they likely arrive on the job site as a unified load in this manner?

       Rainwater will be shed off the stack instead of standing on and seeping into the stack.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of book s on railroad history
 





Re: Some enjoyable steam era freight car views in the Barriger collectio

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi Clark,

Yes, I agree with your assessment.

Claus Schlund

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USRA gon, might be B&M maybe?
https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/12296316335/sizes/o/

More likely CB&Q


Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Re: Some enjoyable steam era freight car views in the Barriger collectio

Clark Propst
 

 
More likely CB&Q

Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Re: Some enjoyable steam era freight car views in the Barriger collectio

Clark Propst
 

Hormel reefer and more reefers that I cannot quite identify (maybe NADX?)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/12296527863/sizes/o/
 
I believe this photo was taken in Hayfield MN. They ran a couple turns a day down to the Hormel [HOR-mal not Hor-MEL] plant in Austin MN.

Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Re: Some enjoyable steam era freight car views in the Barriger collectio

Clark Propst
 

WFEX 65990 reefer parked in front of O'Neill Fuel and Ice
https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/12296743454/sizes/o/
 
Could have a load of beer. There’s an “Old Style” (one of my dad’s favorites) sign on the building.

Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Re: Some nice views of VGN hoppers

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi Dale,

I will simply repeat what I said in my initial post - they are sometimes scanned loopy. You will need to

fix this yourself if you are so inclined

Claus Schlund

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The photo's are backwards and sit sideways.

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Sent: Monday, July 31, 2017 4:08 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Some nice views of VGN hoppers

Hi List Members,

Some nice views of VGN hoppers... As with many of the Barriger Collection images, they are sometimes scanned loopy. You will need to
fix this yourself if you are so inclined.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/12297180786/sizes/o/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/12297026634/sizes/o/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/12296752573/sizes/o/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/12296643715/sizes/o/

Claus Schlund



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Re: Square Wire for Vertical Brake Staffs: Usage Verified

Spen Kellogg <spninetynine@...>
 

On 7/31/2017 2:18 PM, Dave Parker spottab@... [STMFC] wrote:
 
Bill:

Somehow I think we have already been over this, but I did not search the "archives" to see.

Square jewelry wire is the only source I have seen, and only down to 24 gauge (0.020"):


I did a quick Google search and found this web site with 0.015" square wire:

https://www.gibbswire.com/square-wire/

I didn't look into pricing.

And this one has .2mm, .3mm, ,4mm, and .5mm in Genuine Sandvik Nichrome 80 , whatever that is.

https://www.kidneypuncher.com/n80-square-wire-100ft-spool/

Spen Kellogg


Re: I count five (5) pickle cars in this image

John Hagen <sprinthag@...>
 

In regards to the photo mentioned in David Leider’s pickle book, it is on page 61. It is car 116 and the photo is from 1947.

The reporting marks for Squire Dingee are SDX.

BTW, decals for Squire Dingee cars are available from OBS-CALS in any scale. They were designed to match SDX 116 as it appears in the photo but other numbers are included.

As can be seen in the John W. Barriger III National Railroad Library photo, all the cars are of the same basic style. That said, they all seem to vary in the details. So any similar car using four wooden vats should make for a convincing model.

I know Ted Schnepf scratch built at least one in “O” scale.

John Hagen

Obs.cals@...

 

 


Re: Square Wire for Vertical Brake Staffs: Usage Verified

Bill Welch
 

I think you are correct Dave. Now I have to determine if it is really square or more like "<>"

Bill Welch


Re: Some nice views of VGN hoppers

dale florence <dwwesley@...>
 

The photo's are backwards and sit sideways.



From: "'Claus Schlund' claus@... [STMFC]"
To: STMFC
Sent: Monday, July 31, 2017 4:08 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Some nice views of VGN hoppers

Hi List Members,

Some nice views of VGN hoppers... As with many of the Barriger Collection images, they are sometimes scanned loopy. You will need to
fix this yourself if you are so inclined.





Claus Schlund



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Re: tie replacement project

Tony Thompson
 

Claus Schlund wrote:

Consider for a moment the nice view (one of a sequence in the collection) illustrating a tie replacement project.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/12296855653/sizes/o/

Notice the top layer of ties on the two full height stacks is specifically and neatly loaded at a slant. Can anyone suggest a reason
for this? Did they likely arrive on the job site as a unified load in this manner?

       Rainwater will be shed off the stack instead of standing on and seeping into the stack.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history






tie replacement project

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,

Consider for a moment the nice view (one of a sequence in the collection) illustrating a tie replacement project.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/12296855653/sizes/o/

Notice the top layer of ties on the two full height stacks is specifically and neatly loaded at a slant. Can anyone suggest a reason for this? Did they likely arrive on the job site as a unified load in this manner?

I realize this topic has only a scanty connection with freight cars, but I will point out that the ties almost certainly arrived on steam era freight cars. If the moderators deem this too far off topic, I will accept their judgement on this.

Claus Schlund


Re: Help ID'ing cars in MPA notebooks

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Jim,

D&H 13789 comes from series 13700-13889, GB 52' 6" drop-end, welded gondolas with wooden floors. These cars were built by Pullman-Standard in 1951. Their history is covered in RPC 19, and there is a photo of this class on page 109.

My 1958 ORER doesn't list the MILW or WM cars, at least by those numbers.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

On 7/31/17 12:56 PM, James McDonald james@... [STMFC] wrote:
 

Dear list,

I’ve been transcribing some early 1950s pocket notebooks from the Superintendent of MoW on the Maryland & Pennsylvania RR. There are frequent notes of freight cars as MoW materials came in, or in rare cases things were shipped out by the MoW crew. I’ve been trying to collect info about the specifics of the cars listed. Most of them I was able to find in my 1950 ORER, rosters, equipment diagram books, or other literature, but I still have a few cars I would appreciate help identifying. Does anyone have info on the following cars they’d be willing to share?

Car Place Date Load
ATSF 169555 Red Lion, PA 1952 Bridge Timbers, 5
MILW 791153 Red Lion, PA 1952/3? Wire, GE Versatol-Geoprene
WM 59792 ? 1953 Ties, 282
DH 13789 Bruce, PA 09-01-1953 Ties, 342

All the best,

James McDonald
Greenbelt, MD.


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