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Re: Photo: Chemical Processing Vessel On Flat Cars (Circa 1935)

Kenneth Montero
 

Athearn offered it in plastic for years. Its latest iteration (out of stock) is labeled as a "heavy duty" flat car in the Roundhouse line - also as a 200 ton flat car.

I have a metal car that looks the same as the Athearn plastic car, so I suspect that Athearn also may have made the same car earlier in metal.

Ken Montero

PS Did anyone notice the end markings on the Milwaukee car - same on the truck nearest the end? How often did this happen, especially on the trucks, and even more especially as to the size of the solid bearings on the truck?

Ken Montero

On 10/16/2020 5:49 PM gary laakso <vasa0vasa@...> wrote:


Great pictures, thanks for sharing.  Which plastic model making company offered the CMStP&P flatcar in HO scale.  It likely was in the 1960s.


Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock




From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Keith Retterer
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 2:41 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Chemical Processing Vessel On Flat Cars (Circa 1935)


It is interesting to see these cars both used with this giant load.  I have the builder's photos for Erie 7210, and three photos of CMStP&P 67053.



Uncoupling Lever Brackets

Lester Breuer
 

I have added a new post on uncoupling brake lever brackets that shows how I make my own brake lever brackets by bending them from wire or fabricating them from Evergreen styrene.  In addition, it provides prototype information and information on commercial brake lever brackets.  If you are interested in viewing photos and writeup of various installed brake lever brackets and brake levers, you can on my blog I have to share photos and writeup of modeling projects on my Minneapolis & Northland Railroad Company.   If you would like to take a look please do at the following link:

 
http://mnrailroadcab100.blogspot.com/
 

Lester Breuer


Re: Photo: Chemical Processing Vessel On Flat Cars (Circa 1935)

gary laakso
 

Great pictures, thanks for sharing.  Which plastic model making company offered the CMStP&P flatcar in HO scale.  It likely was in the 1960s.

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Keith Retterer
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 2:41 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Chemical Processing Vessel On Flat Cars (Circa 1935)

 

It is interesting to see these cars both used with this giant load.  I have the builder's photos for Erie 7210, and three photos of CMStP&P 67053.


Re: Photo: Chemical Processing Vessel On Flat Cars (Circa 1935)

Keith Retterer
 

It is interesting to see these cars both used with this giant load.  I have the builder's photos for Erie 7210, and three photos of CMStP&P 67053.


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Tichy GSC Flatcar

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Group;

 

You can see the F41 side sill taper and depth of bolster-to-end-sill depth better, plus the unusual deck arrangement, in these pics.

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 4:21 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Tichy GSC Flatcar

 

Brian;

 

The Walthers car certainly does represent a casting much better.  I had no idea it was coming when I did my Tichy bash, otherwise, I would have waited.

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Carlson via groups.io
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 12:55 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Tichy GSC Flatcar

 

Elden That’s probably why I never completed the F41 project, different casting. 

Brian J. Carlson 

 

On Oct 16, 2020, at 12:41 PM, Gatwood, Elden J SAD <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:

Brian, all;

 

PRR had no GSC flat cars of the “Commonwealth” design, but did own F41 classes that had a slightly different casting that had a different side tapers, a shallower sill outside the bolsters, and different top members.  They did have the ~60’ version as class F47. (think Tangent)

 

I did an F41 build years ago from the Tichy kit, and agree it is not rounded off enough to closely resemble that casting.  I spent a lot of time with sanding sticks to round off the edges.

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Carlson via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 10:51 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Tichy GSC Flatcar

 

This is one of those weird times when the Walthers car captures the look of the GSC prototype better. The tichy car molding is too sharp for a casting imho. I was going to do a Pennsy car at one time, but something stopped me.  I don’t recall what that was currently.  

 

Removing the tichy weight works as Eric noted. 

Brian J. Carlson 



On Oct 15, 2020, at 10:32 AM, George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:

I’ve had a number of projects “go bad” because I assumed the coupler height would be correct but discovered it to be wrong after too many details had been finished to do a major re-work on the underframe. If possible, I try to locate a drawing giving me dimensions to check earlty in the process.

 

Here is a part of a GSC flat car drawing from the SRHA archives… (measurements are always from top of rail). I have not checked the Tichy (PRR?) version against drawings but the Walthers car issued a number of years ago is nearly perfect.

 

Ike

 

<GSC flat end measurements.jpg>


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Tichy GSC Flatcar

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Brian;

 

The Walthers car certainly does represent a casting much better.  I had no idea it was coming when I did my Tichy bash, otherwise, I would have waited.

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Carlson via groups.io
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 12:55 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Tichy GSC Flatcar

 

Elden That’s probably why I never completed the F41 project, different casting. 

Brian J. Carlson 



On Oct 16, 2020, at 12:41 PM, Gatwood, Elden J SAD <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:

Brian, all;

 

PRR had no GSC flat cars of the “Commonwealth” design, but did own F41 classes that had a slightly different casting that had a different side tapers, a shallower sill outside the bolsters, and different top members.  They did have the ~60’ version as class F47. (think Tangent)

 

I did an F41 build years ago from the Tichy kit, and agree it is not rounded off enough to closely resemble that casting.  I spent a lot of time with sanding sticks to round off the edges.

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Carlson via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 10:51 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Tichy GSC Flatcar

 

This is one of those weird times when the Walthers car captures the look of the GSC prototype better. The tichy car molding is too sharp for a casting imho. I was going to do a Pennsy car at one time, but something stopped me.  I don’t recall what that was currently.  

 

Removing the tichy weight works as Eric noted. 

Brian J. Carlson 




On Oct 15, 2020, at 10:32 AM, George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:

I’ve had a number of projects “go bad” because I assumed the coupler height would be correct but discovered it to be wrong after too many details had been finished to do a major re-work on the underframe. If possible, I try to locate a drawing giving me dimensions to check earlty in the process.

 

Here is a part of a GSC flat car drawing from the SRHA archives… (measurements are always from top of rail). I have not checked the Tichy (PRR?) version against drawings but the Walthers car issued a number of years ago is nearly perfect.

 

Ike

 

<GSC flat end measurements.jpg>


Re: ACF 70 ton 1958 cuft open sided covered hopper

mel perry
 

garth:
;-)
not to worry, i've been called worse,
i gather from looking at epay and amazon that this issue is one of the
OOP collector items , $150 seems to
be the going price, any chance i can
appeal to you to provide the dims of
the openings? since the only model
of this car, was  done in brass, also
another OOP collectors item $500,
i'm slicing & dicing a close side into
an open side
THANKS
;-)
mel perry


On Fri, Oct 16, 2020, 12:55 PM Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...> wrote:
Mel,

My apologies for misnaming my answer to your query.


Garth  🦆

On Fri, Oct 16, 2020 at 3:53 PM Garth Groff and Sally Sanford via groups.io <mallardlodge1000=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
Eric,

Erection drawings are on page 25 of RPC 27.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Fri, Oct 16, 2020 at 3:42 PM mel perry <clipper841@...> wrote:
does anyone know if drawings/plans
were ever published for this car, i've
gone thru kalmbach's search engine,
google and my tsc's and have struck
out, i'm trying to get the dims for the
triangular side opening,  any direction
or assistance would be greatly appreciated
thanks


Re: ACF 70 ton 1958 cuft open sided covered hopper

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

Mel,

My apologies for misnaming my answer to your query.


Garth  🦆

On Fri, Oct 16, 2020 at 3:53 PM Garth Groff and Sally Sanford via groups.io <mallardlodge1000=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
Eric,

Erection drawings are on page 25 of RPC 27.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Fri, Oct 16, 2020 at 3:42 PM mel perry <clipper841@...> wrote:
does anyone know if drawings/plans
were ever published for this car, i've
gone thru kalmbach's search engine,
google and my tsc's and have struck
out, i'm trying to get the dims for the
triangular side opening,  any direction
or assistance would be greatly appreciated
thanks


Re: ACF 70 ton 1958 cuft open sided covered hopper

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

Eric,

Erection drawings are on page 25 of RPC 27.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Fri, Oct 16, 2020 at 3:42 PM mel perry <clipper841@...> wrote:
does anyone know if drawings/plans
were ever published for this car, i've
gone thru kalmbach's search engine,
google and my tsc's and have struck
out, i'm trying to get the dims for the
triangular side opening,  any direction
or assistance would be greatly appreciated
thanks


ACF 70 ton 1958 cuft open sided covered hopper

mel perry
 

does anyone know if drawings/plans
were ever published for this car, i've
gone thru kalmbach's search engine,
google and my tsc's and have struck
out, i'm trying to get the dims for the
triangular side opening,  any direction
or assistance would be greatly appreciated
thanks


RCW kit update

Eric Hansmann
 

Instructions have been posted for the decal and detail combo sets to transform Atlas HO scale offset hoppers to follow C&EI and MP prototypes. Thank you for your patience as these details came together a but slower than usual.

 

Also on the RCW blog is an update on the latest Hindsight 2020 virtual RPM set for October 24th.

 

Details and links for the hopper combo sets and Hindsight 20/20 are in the latest blog post.

http://blog.resincarworks.com/rcw-kit-update-2/

 

 

Eric Hansmann

RCW web guy


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Conductor's Train List - GB&W 1945 now PMcK&Y gon

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Guys;

 

I can’t believe you didn’t jump all over the PMcK&Y gon!  It is fabulous!

 

You’ve got a great starting point:  the Westerfield P&LE gon.  The diagonal load securing is very do-able.  Maybe the ends are a bit of a challenge, but still very do-able.

 

C’mon, some has to model that car and load!

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2020 12:54 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Conductor's Train List - GB&W 1945

 

Andy;

 

I think your PMcK&Y gon is like these brothers.

 

Note the odd replacement end P&LE put on at least some of these guys, and the replacement handbrake.  The diagonal load is just icing on the cake.

 

Based on how gons were sometimes “borrowed” into service on roads that might not have enough gons, they sometimes ended up in an odd rotation in serving some type of industry that had a need.  Unusual, but not surprising.

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Andy Laurent via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2020 11:10 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Conductor's Train List - GB&W 1945

 

Gents,
Since one sheet of an AT&SF train list was so interesting, I'll share a copy of a book from a Green Bay & Western Railroad conductor in January-February 1945 that is in my collection.  I tried to attach this to a message awhile back, but it didn't go through...I will link to it instead.

GB&W Conductor's Book 1945

Most of the trains in the book are through-freights, Trains #1 and #2 between Winona, MN and the Pere Marquette & Ann Arbor carferry connections at Kewaunee, WI.  Mr. Hansen's territory seems to be primarily between Green Bay ("0") and Wisconsin Rapids ("96"), with alternating out and back work days. Common stations are:
AA or PM -carferries at Kewaunee 
24 -Black Creek (SOO) 
40 -New London (C&NW) 
70 -Amherst Junction (SOO)
212 -East Winona (CB&Q)
214 -Winona (MILW+CGW).
A station number key can be found in the left column of the industry list here.

As for reporting mark abbreviations, he uses "Q" for CB&Q, "StP" for CMStP&P, "K" for KGB&W (home road), "Penn" for PRR, sometimes "C" for C&NW, and "-" as a ditto mark. There are some interesting occurrences, including gondola PMcK&Y 92481 showing up in his train several times in 2 months!

Enjoy!
Andy Laurent
Madison, WI


Re: Photo: Wabash Boxcar 62232 (Undated)

Benjamin Hom
 

Bob Chaparro asked:
"Photo: Wabash Boxcar 62232 (Undated)

Photo from the State Historical Society Of Missouri:

https://cdm17228.contentdm.oclc.org/digital/collection/imc/id/41041/rec/9

Scroll on the photo to enlarge it.

Does this look like some sort of "compromise" (my term) coupler?"

Also referred to "transition period" coupler.  Note the horizontal gap in the knuckle to accommodate the link and the pin inserted into a vertical hole in the coupler.  Other photos:


Ben Hom


Photo: Wabash Boxcar 62232 (Undated)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Wabash Boxcar 62232 (Undated)

Photo from the State Historical Society Of Missouri:

https://cdm17228.contentdm.oclc.org/digital/collection/imc/id/41041/rec/9

Scroll on the photo to enlarge it.

Does this look like some sort of "compromise" (my term) coupler?

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: St. Louis, Peoria & Northern Boxcar 1201 (Undated)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: St. Louis, Peoria & Northern Boxcar 1201 (Undated)

Photo from the State Historical Society Of Missouri:

https://cdm17228.contentdm.oclc.org/digital/collection/imc/id/36321/rec/7

Scroll on the photo to enlarge it.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: Again, Loading Coal Into Boxcars? (Circa 1904)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Again, Loading Coal Into Boxcars? (Circa 1904)

Photo from the State Historical Society Of Missouri:

https://cdm17228.contentdm.oclc.org/digital/collection/imc/id/15614/rec/19

Possibly loading coal into K&W Boxcar 1414.

Scroll on the photo to enlarge it.

See previous post and subsequent 15 comments:

https://realstmfc.groups.io/g/main/message/177515?p=,,,20,0,0,0::Created,,coal+boxcars,20,2,0,76823077

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


SCCX 682 tank car from Vintage Portland site 1937

Todd Sullivan
 

Here's a link to a partial photo of SCCX 682 - a tank car at NW St. Helens and Doane Aves in Portland, OR in 1937. The photo can be expanded.

https://vintageportland.files.wordpress.com/2020/10/public-works-administration-archival-public-works-administrator-photographs-a2005-001.773-nw-doane-ave-area-and-st-helens-rd-looking-northeast-1.jpg

Todd Sullivan.


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Tichy GSC Flatcar

Brian Carlson
 

Elden That’s probably why I never completed the F41 project, different casting. 

Brian J. Carlson 

On Oct 16, 2020, at 12:41 PM, Gatwood, Elden J SAD <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:



Brian, all;

 

PRR had no GSC flat cars of the “Commonwealth” design, but did own F41 classes that had a slightly different casting that had a different side tapers, a shallower sill outside the bolsters, and different top members.  They did have the ~60’ version as class F47. (think Tangent)

 

I did an F41 build years ago from the Tichy kit, and agree it is not rounded off enough to closely resemble that casting.  I spent a lot of time with sanding sticks to round off the edges.

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Carlson via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 10:51 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Tichy GSC Flatcar

 

This is one of those weird times when the Walthers car captures the look of the GSC prototype better. The tichy car molding is too sharp for a casting imho. I was going to do a Pennsy car at one time, but something stopped me.  I don’t recall what that was currently.  

 

Removing the tichy weight works as Eric noted. 

Brian J. Carlson 



On Oct 15, 2020, at 10:32 AM, George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:

I’ve had a number of projects “go bad” because I assumed the coupler height would be correct but discovered it to be wrong after too many details had been finished to do a major re-work on the underframe. If possible, I try to locate a drawing giving me dimensions to check earlty in the process.

 

Here is a part of a GSC flat car drawing from the SRHA archives… (measurements are always from top of rail). I have not checked the Tichy (PRR?) version against drawings but the Walthers car issued a number of years ago is nearly perfect.

 

Ike

 

<GSC flat end measurements.jpg>


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Tichy GSC Flatcar

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Brian, all;

 

PRR had no GSC flat cars of the “Commonwealth” design, but did own F41 classes that had a slightly different casting that had a different side tapers, a shallower sill outside the bolsters, and different top members.  They did have the ~60’ version as class F47. (think Tangent)

 

I did an F41 build years ago from the Tichy kit, and agree it is not rounded off enough to closely resemble that casting.  I spent a lot of time with sanding sticks to round off the edges.

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Carlson via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 10:51 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Tichy GSC Flatcar

 

This is one of those weird times when the Walthers car captures the look of the GSC prototype better. The tichy car molding is too sharp for a casting imho. I was going to do a Pennsy car at one time, but something stopped me.  I don’t recall what that was currently.  

 

Removing the tichy weight works as Eric noted. 

Brian J. Carlson 



On Oct 15, 2020, at 10:32 AM, George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:

I’ve had a number of projects “go bad” because I assumed the coupler height would be correct but discovered it to be wrong after too many details had been finished to do a major re-work on the underframe. If possible, I try to locate a drawing giving me dimensions to check earlty in the process.

 

Here is a part of a GSC flat car drawing from the SRHA archives… (measurements are always from top of rail). I have not checked the Tichy (PRR?) version against drawings but the Walthers car issued a number of years ago is nearly perfect.

 

Ike

 

<GSC flat end measurements.jpg>


Re: Wabash 7000-7299

mopacfirst
 

Thanks, and when I rejoin my books I'll check it.

Ron Merrick

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