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Re: Red Owl warehouse

Tim O'Connor
 


Have you ever spent time inside a closed freight car sitting in bright sunlight for a week?
Those canned goods could easily test the boiling point of water if it weren't for being in a
freight car that is protected against such temperatures. Modern insulated box cars are
more or less guaranteed not to gain more than 2 degrees Fahrenheit every 24 hours.


On 2/23/2021 4:10 PM, Philip Dove wrote:
Why were canned goods shipped in refrigerator cars? I have alway treated canned goods as something that do not need any special storage. I'm British and my understanding of canned means the produce is in a hermetically sealed tin that will keep the ingredients fresh for at least a few years. I know in America canned includes mason jars and glassware, but I still don't see the need for reefers. Were the cars ones that had brought uncanned fresh produce into the plant so canned goods were a logical backhaul load.


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Red Owl warehouse

Philip Dove
 

Why were canned goods shipped in refrigerator cars? I have alway treated canned goods as something that do not need any special storage. I'm British and my understanding of canned means the produce is in a hermetically sealed tin that will keep the ingredients fresh for at least a few years. I know in America canned includes mason jars and glassware, but I still don't see the need for reefers. Were the cars ones that had brought uncanned fresh produce into the plant so canned goods were a logical backhaul load.

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Re: Foobie

spsalso
 

"fubar" is an adjective.

"foobie" is a noun.  

Sometimes you need a noun, and you make one up based on an existing, but appropriate, different part of speech.



Ed

Edward Sutorik


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Foobie

naptownprr
 

Thanks, Elden.  I guess I'm being too obvious.


Jim Hunter


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I suggest that "foobie" may have some relation to "boobie."


Jim Hunter


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Guys;

 

I can attest to the fact that “foobie” was a term in use in SoCal while I was living there, mid-late 80’s at earliest, early 90’s at latest, to refer to a certain part of female anatomy enhanced or altered, thereby, not real, but fake.

 

I suspect, not fact, that it originated in surfer & skateboard cultures, since that is where I first heard its frequent usage.

 

It has been taken up by others, but I heard it many times in bars, surf hangouts, restaurants, etc., in that timeframe.

 

It is good use of that term in our hobby!

 

Elden Gatwood

 

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I thought "foobie" had some relationship to "FUBAR." F[ouled] up beyond all recognition.

Richard Townsend

Lincoln City, OR

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...>
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Sent: Tue, Feb 23, 2021 11:27 am
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Foobie

Dave

I searched through my saved emails archive and the earliest use of the term (which was clearly already
in use at the time) was back in 2007. I also searched through my archive of saved rec.models.railroad
(the old Usenet) messages and there are no occurrences of "foobie" - but I found MANY uses of the word
"bogus". So my guess is that we began using the word sometime around the start of the century. :-P

Here is a July 2009 email from David Hussey -

From: "dh30973" <dhussey@...>
Subject: [MFCL] What constitutes a Foobie?

What constitutes a Foobie? After reading all this debate, maybe we need to grade them.

Foobie 1a: An accurate car with minor mistakes in decorating (dates, COTS, ACI, capacity)
Foobie 1b: An accurate car with major mistakes in decorating (wrong number series, wrong color)

Foobie 2: A semi accurate car with detail mistakes for the decorating (wrong roof walk, high vs low brake)

Foobie 3: An semi-inaccurate car for the decorating (wrong door size)

Foobie 4: A car that is right for one scheme and totally bogus for others (The B&0 40 Hi-Cube, F box decorated for xxx)

Foobie 5: A Stand In, Something close in detail with an accurate scheme (Maybe the same F Box decorated for xxx)

Foobie 6: Nothing correct (Tyco warbonnet GP20)

Your mileage and rating can (and will) vary.

Someone's Foobie can be another person's favorite model, until "we" collectively rain on their parade. Maybe we can get the NMRA to require this printed on the box after a select secret panel votes on the rating.

Tongue somewhat firmly planted in cheek<g>.

Dave Hussey


On 2/23/2021 1:11 PM, Dave Nelson wrote:

I always assumed it was a Richard Hendrickson-ism.  It’s been on used on STMFC for such a long time, probably going all the way back to Tim O’Connor’s e-mail list.

Dave Nelson

 

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Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2021 4:28 AM
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Subject: [RealSTMFC] Foobie

 

....I first started seeing it on the Steam Era Freight Car list (STMFC) with a RR twist."  

 


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Foobie

naptownprr
 

I suggest that "foobie" may have some relation to "boobie."


Jim Hunter


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Guys;

 

I can attest to the fact that “foobie” was a term in use in SoCal while I was living there, mid-late 80’s at earliest, early 90’s at latest, to refer to a certain part of female anatomy enhanced or altered, thereby, not real, but fake.

 

I suspect, not fact, that it originated in surfer & skateboard cultures, since that is where I first heard its frequent usage.

 

It has been taken up by others, but I heard it many times in bars, surf hangouts, restaurants, etc., in that timeframe.

 

It is good use of that term in our hobby!

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Townsend via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2021 2:36 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Foobie

 

I thought "foobie" had some relationship to "FUBAR." F[ouled] up beyond all recognition.

Richard Townsend

Lincoln City, OR

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...>
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Sent: Tue, Feb 23, 2021 11:27 am
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Foobie

Dave

I searched through my saved emails archive and the earliest use of the term (which was clearly already
in use at the time) was back in 2007. I also searched through my archive of saved rec.models.railroad
(the old Usenet) messages and there are no occurrences of "foobie" - but I found MANY uses of the word
"bogus". So my guess is that we began using the word sometime around the start of the century. :-P

Here is a July 2009 email from David Hussey -

From: "dh30973" <dhussey@...>
Subject: [MFCL] What constitutes a Foobie?

What constitutes a Foobie? After reading all this debate, maybe we need to grade them.

Foobie 1a: An accurate car with minor mistakes in decorating (dates, COTS, ACI, capacity)
Foobie 1b: An accurate car with major mistakes in decorating (wrong number series, wrong color)

Foobie 2: A semi accurate car with detail mistakes for the decorating (wrong roof walk, high vs low brake)

Foobie 3: An semi-inaccurate car for the decorating (wrong door size)

Foobie 4: A car that is right for one scheme and totally bogus for others (The B&0 40 Hi-Cube, F box decorated for xxx)

Foobie 5: A Stand In, Something close in detail with an accurate scheme (Maybe the same F Box decorated for xxx)

Foobie 6: Nothing correct (Tyco warbonnet GP20)

Your mileage and rating can (and will) vary.

Someone's Foobie can be another person's favorite model, until "we" collectively rain on their parade. Maybe we can get the NMRA to require this printed on the box after a select secret panel votes on the rating.

Tongue somewhat firmly planted in cheek<g>.

Dave Hussey


On 2/23/2021 1:11 PM, Dave Nelson wrote:

I always assumed it was a Richard Hendrickson-ism.  It’s been on used on STMFC for such a long time, probably going all the way back to Tim O’Connor’s e-mail list.

Dave Nelson

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ray Hutchison
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2021 4:28 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Foobie

 

....I first started seeing it on the Steam Era Freight Car list (STMFC) with a RR twist."  

 


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Model Box Car End ID

Rich C
 

John, Looks like Intermountain PS-1 ends
Rich Christie

On Tuesday, February 23, 2021, 02:04:25 PM CST, golden1014 via groups.io <golden1014@...> wrote:


Astute STMFC Modelers,

These box car ends have been in my parts box for years.  Does anybody know the manufacturer?

Danke!
John Golden


Re: Stencil On CB&Q Boxcar

Tony Thompson
 

Nelson Moyer wrote:

The loading prohibitions on the stencil under discussion are one of several stencils used by the CB&Q. Kit decals may or may not include these stencils, but they can easily be fund in a decal set offered by Jerry Hamsmith. Jerry’s set includes ‘Return Empty to …’ and For … Loading Only’ stencils, plus several other special instructions. 

I once asked a former car clerk, whether those kinds of car-side restrictions or "return to" legends were observed. "Sure," he said, "when it was convenient."

Tony Thompson




Moving General Steel Castings

gary laakso
 

GSC was located in Eddystone, PA, near the Baldwin Locomotive Works.  GSC supplied the industry with one piece engine beds/frames with cylinders cast integrally, tender trucks, tender under frames and trailer trucks.  Great Northern used their products in locomotive rebuilds and new construction as did other carriers.  It appears that Lima used GSC castings and I assume that ALCO did as well. 

 

Has anyone seen pictures of these castings enroute to end users or being unloaded? 

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock

 


Re: Another dry ice car

Tim O'Connor
 

Tom

Here are two more with gray sides and red ends - we may need to compile a timeline of ownership! :-)


On 2/22/2021 7:04 PM, Tom Madden via groups.io wrote:
On Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 04:38 PM, BRIAN PAUL EHNI wrote:

As to color, I would assume either white or silver. Probably white; see below. No, it’s not Mathieson, but a competitor.

For the car I photographed in 1961, it really looks to be gray. With red ends. Here's a cropped portion of the photo I took just prior to the other one, while the Baldwins were picking up the Erie covered hopper from the interchange track.

Tom Madden

 

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Photo: Mostly Gondolas (Circa 1940s)

Jerry Michels
 

I am pretty sure the panel-sided MoPac gondolas carried sand a lot of the time, so 200 cubic feet of a dense material must have been worth it. The railroad had a lot of them so they must have seen a value in the increased capacity. Right off I am not sure, but how did the volume increase on twin hopper increase over the normal plain side versions? Jerry Michels


Re: Foobie

Tony Thompson
 

maynard stowe wrote:

Wasn’t Richard Hendrickson a Linguistics Professor? 

Yes, he was, and he was using "foobie" back in the 1980s, maybe before.

Tony Thompson




Re: Red Owl warehouse

Tim O'Connor
 

Elden

Just an observation - Railroads do consider that X54 car to be a "reefer" - RB. All of the railway
literature and especially financial reports I've read classify RB/L cars as reefers or refrigerator cars.
I think the compilation of cars by type in the CBC's and ORER's also count them as refrigerators.


On 2/23/2021 2:59 PM, Gatwood, Elden J SAD wrote:

Clark;

 

Generally, they had to make some reasonable accommodation in either too hot summer, or too cool winter, to accommodate canned goods.  Reefers were perfect, but jealously guarded by their owners.

 

There is loads of correspondence on spoiled canned goods claims.

 

The attached is the non-reefer RR solution from the PRR:  Insulated, and with “Quick Loaders”, as restored for the Strasburg RR.

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Clark Propst
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2021 2:02 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
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Here's the meat so far. They did have a cold storage area. I'm interested in seeing if more can goods arrive in reefer during the colder months? Clark

DATE

INITIALS

NUMBER

LADING

8/1/1949

ARLX

423

MEAT

8/12/1949

SLRX

4854

MEAT

8/23/1949

SRLX

6336

MEAT

8/24/1949

SRLX

4996

MEAT

8/24/1949

SRLX

4608

MEAT

8/291949

SRLX

5735

MEAT

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Foobie

Tony Thompson
 

Dave Nelson wrote:

I always assumed it was a Richard Hendrickson-ism.  It’s been on used on STMFC for such a long time, probably going all the way back to Tim O’Connor’s e-mail list.

  Richard said he learned it in the Navy, from FUBAR. I have never heard of the term applied to silicone body parts, and in fact would suspect that's a "false construction."

Tony Thompson




Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Stencil On CB&Q Boxcar

Tony Thompson
 

Elden Gatwood wrote:

Destroyed or disposed of dedicated equipment was especially costly, while shovel-out and/or steam-cleaning less so.  Loss of things like cross-bars and belts, were very expensive, since you had to go back to Evans, for example, for replacements.

But many of the GA-E cars were leased to the railroads. Did not the lessor own that loader equipment?

Tony Thompson




Re: Photo: NKP Livestock Car 41001

Mike Dietrich
 

At one time someone offered a short kit for bashing two Proto2000 cars. Anyone know if it’s still available?


Re: [SouthernRailway] Inman Yard in 1946 or 47

golden1014
 

That photo came from my collection.  I have it here.  I’ll scan it and send a higher-res version as soon as possible.  


John Golden
Ramstein, Germany


Munising Ry. Co. 42' Flatcar- what could this part be?

CapnMatter
 

I've thought these were grab irons and was modelling them as such. However, a friend pointed out that being slanted it might be some sort of lever of some sort to interact with the brakes, despite having a brake wheel with no linkage of any sort shown. It's the part between the brake shaft base and the polling pocket. Any idea what it is, and if so, any reference/prototype photos?


Model Box Car End ID

golden1014
 

Astute STMFC Modelers,

These box car ends have been in my parts box for years.  Does anybody know the manufacturer?

Danke!
John Golden


Re: Boiler Load Project

Philip Dove
 

Looking at the AAR  book "Rules governing the loading of commodities on open top cars" the diagrams for locomotive boilers of any size show 2 steel bands as the main thing preventing the load from jumping around vertically then blocks of 4" by ^2 wood blted to the deck of the flatcar along the firebox, of course a marine boiler doesn't have such a distinct firebox. Pipes over 602 diameter seemed to be mounted on two made up cradles bolted to the deck of the car with just two bands of steel to keep them pressed into the cradle.


Re: ACL paint scheme

golden1014
 

Hi Matt,

ACL gons and flats were black.  Always black.

John Golden

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