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Early Kadee PS-1

Ted Culotta
 

I don't recall a write-up of the early version of the Kadee PS-1. After waiting to see undec versions, I finally gave up and bought a decorated one to serve as fodder for a 12-panel PS-1 rework. However, before I do that, I took a few pics a made a few comments, It's another stunning car body from Kadee. The photos can be seen at http://prototopics.blogspot.com. One note that I cannot stress enough is that there wee several flavors of early PS-1 prototypes with subtle differences below the side sills and at the lower corners. Study your prototypes!

Ted Culotta
Speedwitch Media
P.O. Box 392, Guilford, CT 06437

Photo: GACX 42594 - Airslide Hopper

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: GACX 42594 - Airslide Hopper

A Jim Parker photo taken in 1956 of possibly the only freight car that would arrive in town with a police escort.

I believe Con-Cor and Athearn both produced HO scale models of this car.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Are these the recently discussed LCL Corp containers being loaded into B&O gons?

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Claus, Gang;

Yes, there are at least two.

This (1931) was in the big LCL Corporation experiment with the railroads, wasn't it?

Thanks!

Elden Gatwood

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Hi Elden,

I don't have the answer to the question, but I do notice there are at least two different design containers in the gons.

Claus Schlund



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Subject: [RealSTMFC] Are these the recently discussed LCL Corp containers being loaded into B&O gons?

Blockedhttps://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3A715.3114249.CP/from_search/-13

Thanks!

Elden Gatwood

Re: Are these the recently discussed LCL Corp containers being loaded into B&O gons?

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi Elden,
 
I don't have the answer to the question, but I do notice there are at least two different design containers in the gons.
 
Claus Schlund
 
 

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https://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3A715.3114249.CP/from_search/-13

Thanks!

Elden Gatwood



Are these the recently discussed LCL Corp containers being loaded into B&O gons?

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Re: UP Freight Car Painting & Lettering 1920-1980

Tom Reid
 

Thank you very much Dick.  I have been trying to model the UP freight cars going back to the 1890s but google always fails me.  Do you have and web sites that would help me?  That would be wonderful!

Tom Reid
Gilbert, AZ

Re: Truck Color

Nelson Moyer
 

The road differences for mineral red aren't great for newly painted cars, but sun bleaching and paint oxidation lighten the paint so that it can take on an oxide shade. Then there's mineral brown used by the ATSF in early years, which is distinctly browner than red. Probably the best article on freight car paint colors was published in Volume 3 of Railroad Prototype Cyclopedia. That article contains a table of freight car color families as related to paints available at the time of publication. Unfortunately Floquil isn't still available, but most others are still available. I've been happy using Tru Color, which is color matched to railroad paint chips. If you don't like Tru Color (it has it's issues), you can buy a bottle of the freight car color you want and color match it with your favorite paints. As many have observed, base color will be altered with weathering, so color and shade variation aren't all that important in practice.

Nelson Moyer

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Lugg
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 10:37 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Truck Color

Then what I'm getting out of this is that, beyond color drift between batches, mineral red for one road is likely going to be different than mineral read for another, right?

Thanks for the responses, they help a bit with my flat car project.

Bill Lugg

Re: Truck Color

Daniel A. Mitchell
 

We’ve beat this dead horse into the ground here, and many other places, countless times.

“Mineral Red” pigment was from naturally occurring Iron Oxide deposits (rust). Iron oxide can range in color anywhere from yellow to orange to red, to purple, on to black, with most being some shade of reddish brown. So the exact color depends on which deposit of the mineral was mined for the pigment. Then add whatever mix was used to make the paint (concentration, vehicle, etc.). The color varied from place to place and from time to time. In olden times this was all quite local, with paint being mixed in the paint shop from raw material. In later times commercially prepared paint was purchased, and standardization efforts began. Much of this was, and still is “voodoo”. While a lot of progress has been made, exact matches between types of paint (chemistry), substrates, application methods, and between various manufacturers is still not possible.

Dan Mitchell
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On Nov 20, 2019, at 11:36 PM, Bill Lugg <luggw1@...> wrote:

Then what I'm getting out of this is that, beyond color drift between batches, mineral red for one road is likely going to be different than mineral read for another, right?

Thanks for the responses, they help a bit with my flat car project.

Bill Lugg


On 11/20/19 6:39 PM, Nelson Moyer wrote:
ATSF and CB&Q are two roads that used the term 'mineral red'. It comes from the red iron oxide containing rock ground into powder and used as a red paint pigment. It was available and cheap, so that's why so many freight car and barns were painted red. One story I've heard about the Q paint shops is that they mixed the pigment into the base 'by the handfull', which would explain paint drift between paint batches and between paint shops. On the Q, the red pigment was from Wyoming mines, so at least it all come from the same general location. Mineral red is a reddish brown color. Floquil offered a mineral red paint, that was very close to the ATSF freight car color. The best Q freight car mineral red is produced by Tru Color as CB&Q Freight Car Red.

Nelson Moyer

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Lugg
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 6:25 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Truck Color

I see a lot of folks tossing the words "mineral red" around on this list.  What color would that be in terms a modeler (like me) would understand?

Thanks
Bill Lugg





Re: Wedge Plow Blades

Richard Townsend
 

Maybe whoever did the N scale blade would scale it up.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: Charlie Vlk <cvlk@...>
To: main <main@realstmfc.groups.io>
Sent: Wed, Nov 20, 2019 6:31 pm
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Wedge Plow Blades

Tom-I have an N Scale Shapeways blade for the CB&Q car and would appreciate the photos as well!!
Thanks,
Charlie Vlk


On Nov 20, 2019, at 8:14 PM, Tom Madden via Groups.Io <pullmanboss@...> wrote:


[Edited Message Follows]
I this what you're after, Nelson? It's not petite! It's at the Colorado RR Museum and I took a break from scanning photos this afternoon & went outside and took some photos. Interesting arrangement for raising & lowering the blade. 

Tom Madden

Restrictions on Truck Painting, was Truck Color

Guy Wilber
 

Nelson wrote:  "To simplify my question, which roads painted trucks boxcar red? I’m modeling 1953, so that limits the range to wood DS and SS boxcars, 1932, 1937, and PS-1 boxcars, and misc. hoppers, gondolas and flat cars appropriate for my era."


Nelson,

Restrictions on painting of truck side frames and other parts were implemented in 1948.  The AAR's General Committee approved recommendations from the Car Construction and Arbitration Committees.  These were presented after complaints from a number of member roads regarding, "the impossibility of locating cracks in truck side frames due to the use of heavy bodied asphaltic paints."  The 1948 Interchange Rule 3, Section (t), paragraph (3-e) was revised and presented (via supplement) as such:

Rule 3, Section (t), paragraph (3-e)  New or secondhand truck sides and truck bolsters must not be painted with heavy asphaltic, tar or cement base paints; however, such parts may be coated with light bodied paint that will not prevent detection of flaws or cracks in ordinary inspection.  Car wheels must not be painted.  

"Note.--Existing truck sides and bolsters painted with heavy base paint or having accumulation of rust scale, must have such paint and scale removed when cars go through general repairs."


In 1958 paragraph (3-e) was moved to (3-d), and modified:

Rule 3, Section (t), paragraph (3-e)  New or secondhand truck sides and truck bolsters must not be painted with heavy asphaltic, tar or cement base paints; however, such parts may be coated with light bodied paint that will not prevent detection of flaws or cracks in ordinary inspection.  If interiors of journal boxes are painted, extreme care must be exercised to use paint which will not flake, scale, peel or otherwise contaminate the car oil.Car wheels must not be painted.  

"Note.--Existing truck sides and bolsters painted with heavy base paint or having accumulation of rust scale, must have such paint and scale removed when cars go through general repairs."


Guy Wilber
Reno, Nevada    










  
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Re: Wedge Plow Blades

steve_wintner
 

Nelson, if I understand, no, Shapeways cannot / will not. All Shapeways is doing is providing the service of printing  items designed by others, via a portal.

Whoever made the blade CAD could scale it, and I imagine you can contact them through Shapeways' site and ask.

Steve

Re: Truck Color

Bill Lugg
 

Then what I'm getting out of this is that, beyond color drift between batches, mineral red for one road is likely going to be different than mineral read for another, right?

Thanks for the responses, they help a bit with my flat car project.

Bill Lugg

On 11/20/19 6:39 PM, Nelson Moyer wrote:
ATSF and CB&Q are two roads that used the term 'mineral red'. It comes from the red iron oxide containing rock ground into powder and used as a red paint pigment. It was available and cheap, so that's why so many freight car and barns were painted red. One story I've heard about the Q paint shops is that they mixed the pigment into the base 'by the handfull', which would explain paint drift between paint batches and between paint shops. On the Q, the red pigment was from Wyoming mines, so at least it all come from the same general location. Mineral red is a reddish brown color. Floquil offered a mineral red paint, that was very close to the ATSF freight car color. The best Q freight car mineral red is produced by Tru Color as CB&Q Freight Car Red.

Nelson Moyer

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Lugg
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 6:25 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Truck Color

I see a lot of folks tossing the words "mineral red" around on this list.  What color would that be in terms a modeler (like me) would understand?

Thanks
Bill Lugg


Re: Chicagoland RPM file (was UP Freight Car Painting & Lettering 1920-1980)

Ted Culotta
 

I forgot to post here that my file can be accessed via my Blog link below. Once there, scroll down several posts to locate.

Cheers,
Ted

Ted Culotta
Speedwitch Media
P.O. Box 392, Guilford, CT 06437

Re: Wedge Plow Blades

Nelson Moyer
 

Charlie, if Shapeways has the N scale drawings, couldn’t they scale the blade for HO?

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Charlie Vlk
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 8:31 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Wedge Plow Blades

 

Tom-I have an N Scale Shapeways blade for the CB&Q car and would appreciate the photos as well!!

Thanks,

Charlie Vlk



On Nov 20, 2019, at 8:14 PM, Tom Madden via Groups.Io <pullmanboss@...> wrote:



[Edited Message Follows]

I this what you're after, Nelson? It's not petite! It's at the Colorado RR Museum and I took a break from scanning photos this afternoon & went outside and took some photos. Interesting arrangement for raising & lowering the blade. 

Tom Madden

Re: Wedge Plow Blades

Nelson Moyer
 

Yes, that’s exactly what I’m looking to model. Thanks for the photos. The flat car is either a FM-11 or FM-11A. The difference is that they were separate order numberx, so once they are renumbered for MOW service, there’s no way to tell which class they came from in a photo. The early conversions had a wood ‘box’ to hold the rock ballast, while later builds had steel plates for the box sides. I’d like to model the wood ballast box version as shown in your photos. Maybe your photos will inspire someone to do the CAD drawing of the blade for 3D printing.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Madden via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 8:13 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Wedge Plow Blades

 

I this what you're after, Nelson? It's not petite! It's at the Colorado RR Museum and I took a break from scanning photos this afternoon & went outside and took some photos. Interesting arrangement for raising & lowering the blade. 

Tom Madden

Re: Wedge Plow Blades

Charlie Vlk
 

Stupid iPad!!
Sent previous message and THEN the photos appeared!
Thanks!
Charlie Vlk


On Nov 20, 2019, at 8:16 PM, Tom Madden via Groups.Io <pullmanboss@...> wrote:

I this what you're after, Nelson? It's not petite! It's at the Colorado RR Museum and I took a break from scanning photos this afternoon & went outside and took some photos. Interesting arrangement for raising & lowering the blade. 

Tom Madden
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Re: Wedge Plow Blades

Charlie Vlk
 

Tom-I have an N Scale Shapeways blade for the CB&Q car and would appreciate the photos as well!!
Thanks,
Charlie Vlk


On Nov 20, 2019, at 8:14 PM, Tom Madden via Groups.Io <pullmanboss@...> wrote:



[Edited Message Follows]

I this what you're after, Nelson? It's not petite! It's at the Colorado RR Museum and I took a break from scanning photos this afternoon & went outside and took some photos. Interesting arrangement for raising & lowering the blade. 

Tom Madden

Re: Wedge Plow Blades

Tom Madden
 
Edited

I this what you're after, Nelson? It's not petite! It's at the Colorado RR Museum and I took a break from scanning photos this afternoon & went outside and took some photos. Interesting arrangement for raising & lowering the blade. 

Tom Madden

Re: Truck Color

Nelson Moyer
 

ATSF and CB&Q are two roads that used the term 'mineral red'. It comes from the red iron oxide containing rock ground into powder and used as a red paint pigment. It was available and cheap, so that's why so many freight car and barns were painted red. One story I've heard about the Q paint shops is that they mixed the pigment into the base 'by the handfull', which would explain paint drift between paint batches and between paint shops. On the Q, the red pigment was from Wyoming mines, so at least it all come from the same general location. Mineral red is a reddish brown color. Floquil offered a mineral red paint, that was very close to the ATSF freight car color. The best Q freight car mineral red is produced by Tru Color as CB&Q Freight Car Red.

Nelson Moyer

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Lugg
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 6:25 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Truck Color

I see a lot of folks tossing the words "mineral red" around on this list.  What color would that be in terms a modeler (like me) would understand?

Thanks
Bill Lugg

Re: Truck Color

s shaffer
 

Bill Lugg writes:

I see a lot of folks tossing the words "mineral red" around on this list.  What color would that be in terms a modeler (like me) would understand?
To my eyes Mineral Brown is closer to Boxcar Red than it is to Tuscan Red.

Steve Shaffer
Las Cruces, New Mexico USA