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Model Box Car End ID

golden1014
 

Astute STMFC Modelers,

These box car ends have been in my parts box for years.  Does anybody know the manufacturer?

Danke!
John Golden


Re: Boiler Load Project

Philip Dove
 

Looking at the AAR  book "Rules governing the loading of commodities on open top cars" the diagrams for locomotive boilers of any size show 2 steel bands as the main thing preventing the load from jumping around vertically then blocks of 4" by ^2 wood blted to the deck of the flatcar along the firebox, of course a marine boiler doesn't have such a distinct firebox. Pipes over 602 diameter seemed to be mounted on two made up cradles bolted to the deck of the car with just two bands of steel to keep them pressed into the cradle.


Re: ACL paint scheme

golden1014
 

Hi Matt,

ACL gons and flats were black.  Always black.

John Golden


Re: Photo: Mostly Gondolas (Circa 1940s)

Philip Dove
 

Is that one of the Mopac panelled gondolas series 22000 23774 in the centre of the photo. Did these cars carry a special traffic to warrant being built with panels that increase capacity by only about 200 cubic feet or less?

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On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 at 23:10, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Photo: Mostly Gondolas (Circa 1940s)

A photo from the University of Texas Libraries:

https://library.uta.edu/digitalgallery/sites/library.uta.edu.digitalgallery/files/20080000-20089999/20089977.jpg

Click on the photo to enlarge it.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Earliest Color Photo of US Freight Cars?

thomas christensen
 

For your STMFC content, click on the link and scroll down to the ship picture. It's at the SAL phosphate terminal on Seddon Island, Tampa Fl.
Tom Christensen 

On Sun, Feb 14, 2021 at 3:17 PM, Chris Barkan
<cplbarkan@...> wrote:
Peter, what you suggest is of course possible although I agree with Tony's point as well.  If you read what is said on the linked page, there is specific statement that it is a "true color Autochrome Plate" and he goes on to discuss the very high cost of that technology in that era.  I have no reason to doubt that the individual that posted it knows whereof he speaks.  Here are some links about the development of the Autochrome color process by the Lumière brothers in the first years of the 20th Century and some examples of its use from National Geographic's archives, not surprisingly an "early adopter".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autochrome_Lumière
https://www.sharkandpalm.com/news/the-oldest-color-photos-discovered-in-the-national-geographic-archives
Chris Barkan


Re: F&C meat reefer prototypes

Philip Dove
 

About 20 years ago I got a resin kit in a plain box for a reefer with Wilson decals, on closer examination it was the Roundhouse, it was easier to carve the grabs of a Roundhouse model.  Comparing the kit with F&C kits of that time it was probably some knock off by an anonymous person , hence the plain box.
Does the roof on a roundhouse 37, reffer kit represent any type of 20th century car roof?


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Red Owl warehouse

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Clark;

 

Generally, they had to make some reasonable accommodation in either too hot summer, or too cool winter, to accommodate canned goods.  Reefers were perfect, but jealously guarded by their owners.

 

There is loads of correspondence on spoiled canned goods claims.

 

The attached is the non-reefer RR solution from the PRR:  Insulated, and with “Quick Loaders”, as restored for the Strasburg RR.

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Clark Propst
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2021 2:02 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Red Owl warehouse

 

Here's the meat so far. They did have a cold storage area. I'm interested in seeing if more can goods arrive in reefer during the colder months? Clark

DATE

INITIALS

NUMBER

LADING

8/1/1949

ARLX

423

MEAT

8/12/1949

SLRX

4854

MEAT

8/23/1949

SRLX

6336

MEAT

8/24/1949

SRLX

4996

MEAT

8/24/1949

SRLX

4608

MEAT

8/291949

SRLX

5735

MEAT


Re: Foobie

Nelson Moyer
 

I think FUBAR is a term used by enlisted personnel in the military, where it is a most appropriate description of many activities.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard Townsend via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2021 1:36 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Foobie

 

I thought "foobie" had some relationship to "FUBAR." F[ouled] up beyond all recognition.

Richard Townsend

Lincoln City, OR

 


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Foobie

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Guys;

 

I can attest to the fact that “foobie” was a term in use in SoCal while I was living there, mid-late 80’s at earliest, early 90’s at latest, to refer to a certain part of female anatomy enhanced or altered, thereby, not real, but fake.

 

I suspect, not fact, that it originated in surfer & skateboard cultures, since that is where I first heard its frequent usage.

 

It has been taken up by others, but I heard it many times in bars, surf hangouts, restaurants, etc., in that timeframe.

 

It is good use of that term in our hobby!

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Townsend via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2021 2:36 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Foobie

 

I thought "foobie" had some relationship to "FUBAR." F[ouled] up beyond all recognition.

Richard Townsend

Lincoln City, OR

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...>
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Sent: Tue, Feb 23, 2021 11:27 am
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Foobie

Dave

I searched through my saved emails archive and the earliest use of the term (which was clearly already
in use at the time) was back in 2007. I also searched through my archive of saved rec.models.railroad
(the old Usenet) messages and there are no occurrences of "foobie" - but I found MANY uses of the word
"bogus". So my guess is that we began using the word sometime around the start of the century. :-P

Here is a July 2009 email from David Hussey -

From: "dh30973" <dhussey@...>
Subject: [MFCL] What constitutes a Foobie?

What constitutes a Foobie? After reading all this debate, maybe we need to grade them.

Foobie 1a: An accurate car with minor mistakes in decorating (dates, COTS, ACI, capacity)
Foobie 1b: An accurate car with major mistakes in decorating (wrong number series, wrong color)

Foobie 2: A semi accurate car with detail mistakes for the decorating (wrong roof walk, high vs low brake)

Foobie 3: An semi-inaccurate car for the decorating (wrong door size)

Foobie 4: A car that is right for one scheme and totally bogus for others (The B&0 40 Hi-Cube, F box decorated for xxx)

Foobie 5: A Stand In, Something close in detail with an accurate scheme (Maybe the same F Box decorated for xxx)

Foobie 6: Nothing correct (Tyco warbonnet GP20)

Your mileage and rating can (and will) vary.

Someone's Foobie can be another person's favorite model, until "we" collectively rain on their parade. Maybe we can get the NMRA to require this printed on the box after a select secret panel votes on the rating.

Tongue somewhat firmly planted in cheek<g>.

Dave Hussey


On 2/23/2021 1:11 PM, Dave Nelson wrote:

I always assumed it was a Richard Hendrickson-ism.  It’s been on used on STMFC for such a long time, probably going all the way back to Tim O’Connor’s e-mail list.

Dave Nelson

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ray Hutchison
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2021 4:28 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Foobie

 

....I first started seeing it on the Steam Era Freight Car list (STMFC) with a RR twist."  

 


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Foobie

Richard Townsend
 

I thought "foobie" had some relationship to "FUBAR." F[ouled] up beyond all recognition.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...>
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Sent: Tue, Feb 23, 2021 11:27 am
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Foobie

Dave

I searched through my saved emails archive and the earliest use of the term (which was clearly already
in use at the time) was back in 2007. I also searched through my archive of saved rec.models.railroad
(the old Usenet) messages and there are no occurrences of "foobie" - but I found MANY uses of the word
"bogus". So my guess is that we began using the word sometime around the start of the century. :-P

Here is a July 2009 email from David Hussey -

From: "dh30973" <dhussey@...>
Subject: [MFCL] What constitutes a Foobie?

What constitutes a Foobie? After reading all this debate, maybe we need to grade them.

Foobie 1a: An accurate car with minor mistakes in decorating (dates, COTS, ACI, capacity)
Foobie 1b: An accurate car with major mistakes in decorating (wrong number series, wrong color)

Foobie 2: A semi accurate car with detail mistakes for the decorating (wrong roof walk, high vs low brake)

Foobie 3: An semi-inaccurate car for the decorating (wrong door size)

Foobie 4: A car that is right for one scheme and totally bogus for others (The B&0 40 Hi-Cube, F box decorated for xxx)

Foobie 5: A Stand In, Something close in detail with an accurate scheme (Maybe the same F Box decorated for xxx)

Foobie 6: Nothing correct (Tyco warbonnet GP20)

Your mileage and rating can (and will) vary.

Someone's Foobie can be another person's favorite model, until "we" collectively rain on their parade. Maybe we can get the NMRA to require this printed on the box after a select secret panel votes on the rating.

Tongue somewhat firmly planted in cheek<g>.

Dave Hussey


On 2/23/2021 1:11 PM, Dave Nelson wrote:
I always assumed it was a Richard Hendrickson-ism.  It’s been on used on STMFC for such a long time, probably going all the way back to Tim O’Connor’s e-mail list.
Dave Nelson
 
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ray Hutchison
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2021 4:28 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Foobie
 
....I first started seeing it on the Steam Era Freight Car list (STMFC) with a RR twist."  


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Foobie

Tim O'Connor
 

Dave

I searched through my saved emails archive and the earliest use of the term (which was clearly already
in use at the time) was back in 2007. I also searched through my archive of saved rec.models.railroad
(the old Usenet) messages and there are no occurrences of "foobie" - but I found MANY uses of the word
"bogus". So my guess is that we began using the word sometime around the start of the century. :-P

Here is a July 2009 email from David Hussey -

From: "dh30973" <dhussey@...>
Subject: [MFCL] What constitutes a Foobie?

What constitutes a Foobie? After reading all this debate, maybe we need to grade them.

Foobie 1a: An accurate car with minor mistakes in decorating (dates, COTS, ACI, capacity)
Foobie 1b: An accurate car with major mistakes in decorating (wrong number series, wrong color)

Foobie 2: A semi accurate car with detail mistakes for the decorating (wrong roof walk, high vs low brake)

Foobie 3: An semi-inaccurate car for the decorating (wrong door size)

Foobie 4: A car that is right for one scheme and totally bogus for others (The B&0 40 Hi-Cube, F box decorated for xxx)

Foobie 5: A Stand In, Something close in detail with an accurate scheme (Maybe the same F Box decorated for xxx)

Foobie 6: Nothing correct (Tyco warbonnet GP20)

Your mileage and rating can (and will) vary.

Someone's Foobie can be another person's favorite model, until "we" collectively rain on their parade. Maybe we can get the NMRA to require this printed on the box after a select secret panel votes on the rating.

Tongue somewhat firmly planted in cheek<g>.

Dave Hussey


On 2/23/2021 1:11 PM, Dave Nelson wrote:

I always assumed it was a Richard Hendrickson-ism.  It’s been on used on STMFC for such a long time, probably going all the way back to Tim O’Connor’s e-mail list.

Dave Nelson

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ray Hutchison
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2021 4:28 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Foobie

 

....I first started seeing it on the Steam Era Freight Car list (STMFC) with a RR twist."  


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Red Owl warehouse

Clark Propst
 

Here's the meat so far. They did have a cold storage area. I'm interested in seeing if more can goods arrive in reefer during the colder months? Clark

DATE INITIALS NUMBER LADING
8/1/1949 ARLX 423 MEAT
8/12/1949 SLRX 4854 MEAT
8/23/1949 SRLX 6336 MEAT
8/24/1949 SRLX 4996 MEAT
8/24/1949 SRLX 4608 MEAT
8/291949 SRLX 5735 MEAT


Re: Need about 15 HO brake reservoirs for project

Tim O'Connor
 


Sunshine for many years included a resin sheet of brake parts that I'm pretty sure included
two brake reservoirs (in halves). Would those be acceptable?


On 2/21/2021 3:41 PM, Chuck Cover wrote:
Group,

I want to start a project to convert about 15 reefer cars from K brakes to AB brakes and need brake reservoirs.  I don't want to steal just the reservoirs from Tichy or other sets and have enough triple valves and brake cylinders to complete the project, so I just need the reservoirs. Anyone have some ideas?  Thanks

Chuck Cover
Santa Fe, NM

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Nice car by Eric Hansmann in new TKM

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Eric;

 

I look forward to seeing what you do next!

 

I like pencils, too, and they do work great for weathering boards and decks.

 

A technique I got very fond of in some of my more recent steel box car, gon, and hopper builds was to rub slightly darker or lighter pastels, pigments and/ or chalks in only certain areas of say, a box car side, to subtly weather and differentiate panels and details from adjacent parts.  I found it quite effective for things not well defined by differentiation in depth, for example.  Have you tried that one?  I even used my finger to blend pigments into the surface of one panel, to provide subtle difference from the adjacent panel, to very satisfying results!

 

I am slowly weathering a P&WV box car, to get the effect of the attached.  Obviously, VERY subtle is required.

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Eric Hansmann
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2021 10:45 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Nice car by Eric Hansmann in new TKM

 

Thank you, Eldon! It was fun learning a new-to-me weathering technique.

 

 

Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

On 02/23/2021 6:16 AM Gatwood, Elden J SAD <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:

 

 

Eric;

 

Nice job on the PRR X23!  Very convincing weathering!

 

Thanks for contributing!

 

Elden Gatwood

 


Re: Foobie

maynard stowe
 

Wasn’t Richard Hendrickson a Linguistics Professor? 
Maynard Stowe

On Feb 23, 2021, at 1:11 PM, Dave Nelson <Lake_Muskoka@...> wrote:

I always assumed it was a Richard Hendrickson-ism.  It’s been on used on STMFC for such a long time, probably going all the way back to Tim O’Connor’s e-mail list.
Dave Nelson
 
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ray Hutchison
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2021 4:28 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Foobie
 
....I first started seeing it on the Steam Era Freight Car list (STMFC) with a RR twist."  


Re: Foobie

Dave Nelson
 

I always assumed it was a Richard Hendrickson-ism.  It’s been on used on STMFC for such a long time, probably going all the way back to Tim O’Connor’s e-mail list.

Dave Nelson

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ray Hutchison
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2021 4:28 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Foobie

 

....I first started seeing it on the Steam Era Freight Car list (STMFC) with a RR twist."  


Re: Red Owl warehouse

Douglas Harding
 

Some good stuff Clark. Look forward to seeing the rest of the list. Minnesota, Iowa and Wisconsin had a fair number of canneries and creameries. All kinds of vegetables and dairy products requiring reefers and boxcars. Of course a grocery warehouse will also be receiving meat reefers from all the meat producers. A wide variety of cars going in and out.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Clark Propst
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2021 11:15 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Red Owl warehouse

 

Red Owl foods had grocery stores in Minnesota and some in surrounding states. They had a warehouse in Hopkins Minn. on the M&StL. I was given a seal book to transcribe from the middle on 1949 to Jan 1950. I have two canneries on my layout ad deliver reefers to them to ship out their canned goods. So far I've put three months worth of car loads into Excel. Out of curiosity I added up the canned goods cars so far. Canned goods are not all veggies, but this is what data I have. There are 12 reefers and 63 others, I'm assuming box cars, I haven't added ORER data yet. I guess I need to setout a few box cars once in awhile too?
Clark 
Here's the list of reefers

DATE

INITIALS

NUMBER

LADING

OUT

8/2/1949

ART

17050

CANNED GOODS

 

8/3/1949

ART

17050

CANNED GOODS

 

9/6/1949

FGEX

33230

CANNED GOODS

 

9/6/1949

FGEX

38154

CANNED GOODS

 

8/3/1949

FGEX

51238

CANNED GOODS

 

8/4/1949

FGEX

51238

CANNED GOODS

OUT

8/29/1949

FGEX

55315

CANNED GOODS

 

6/20/1949

FGEX

59118

CANNED GOODS

 

7/25/1949

PFE

44068

CANNED GOODS

 

6/23/1949

PFE

60096

CANNED GOODS

 

7/5/1949

SFRD

8433

CANNED GOODS

 

7/22/1949

SFRD

37304

CANNED GOODS

 

7/26/1949

URTX

6752

CANNED GOODS

 

7/6/1949

WFE

25090

CANNED GOODS

 


Re: Red Owl warehouse

james murrie
 

Red Owl had stores as far west as Tacoma WA.

Jim Murrie


Red Owl warehouse

Clark Propst
 

Red Owl foods had grocery stores in Minnesota and some in surrounding states. They had a warehouse in Hopkins Minn. on the M&StL. I was given a seal book to transcribe from the middle on 1949 to Jan 1950. I have two canneries on my layout ad deliver reefers to them to ship out their canned goods. So far I've put three months worth of car loads into Excel. Out of curiosity I added up the canned goods cars so far. Canned goods are not all veggies, but this is what data I have. There are 12 reefers and 63 others, I'm assuming box cars, I haven't added ORER data yet. I guess I need to setout a few box cars once in awhile too?
Clark 
Here's the list of reefers
DATE INITIALS NUMBER LADING OUT
8/2/1949 ART 17050 CANNED GOODS  
8/3/1949 ART 17050 CANNED GOODS  
9/6/1949 FGEX 33230 CANNED GOODS  
9/6/1949 FGEX 38154 CANNED GOODS  
8/3/1949 FGEX 51238 CANNED GOODS  
8/4/1949 FGEX 51238 CANNED GOODS OUT
8/29/1949 FGEX 55315 CANNED GOODS  
6/20/1949 FGEX 59118 CANNED GOODS  
7/25/1949 PFE 44068 CANNED GOODS  
6/23/1949 PFE 60096 CANNED GOODS  
7/5/1949 SFRD 8433 CANNED GOODS  
7/22/1949 SFRD 37304 CANNED GOODS  
7/26/1949 URTX 6752 CANNED GOODS  
7/6/1949 WFE 25090 CANNED GOODS  


Re: Nice car by Eric Hansmann in new TKM

Eric Hansmann
 

Thank you, Eldon! It was fun learning a new-to-me weathering technique.


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN


On 02/23/2021 6:16 AM Gatwood, Elden J SAD <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:


Eric;


Nice job on the PRR X23!  Very convincing weathering!


Thanks for contributing!


Elden Gatwood


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