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Re: Chipping Fluid

Bill Keene <wakeene@...>
 

Hello Garth,

Please be sure to report on the results of your efforts with the Tattered Angels paint system.

… After you complete the population of people, of course. 

Cheers & Happy Modeling,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA

On Feb 24, 2017, at 6:17 PM, Garth Groff sarahsan@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:


Bruce and Tim,

I recently picked up a "Tattered Angels Naturally Aged Paint System, Bare Metal" set at Joann Fabrics. It consists of four bottles of some sort of liquid pigments, including bare metal, rust, and two different "glimmer mists". I thought this might be a good way to do snow plows, bulldozer blades, skip loader buckets, etc. No I haven't tried it yet. I'm too busy painting O-scale people right now.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff


On 2/24/17 4:41 PM, Tim O'Connor timboconnor@... [STMFC] wrote:
 

Bruce

I've used masking tape as you describe, but it can get tricky and can
potentially lift up decals or paint. So either way works but I was thinking
that the brushing on hairspray might be both faster and less likely to cause
any problems. But masking tape is still preferred if you need to make a
precise shape like a rectangle or circle.

I've seen spreader blades with a wide area of rust and then a more recent
smaller area of bright shiny steel!

Fun stuff to try. :-)

Tim





Re: Steam era freight cars made it into the UK Daily Mail

thecitrusbelt@...
 

Here is some information on the "Westside Cowboys":


http://www.thehighline.org/blog/2013/10/17/the-west-side-cowboys-of-death-avenue


Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Chipping Fluid

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Bruce and Tim,

I recently picked up a "Tattered Angels Naturally Aged Paint System, Bare Metal" set at Joann Fabrics. It consists of four bottles of some sort of liquid pigments, including bare metal, rust, and two different "glimmer mists". I thought this might be a good way to do snow plows, bulldozer blades, skip loader buckets, etc. No I haven't tried it yet. I'm too busy painting O-scale people right now.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff


On 2/24/17 4:41 PM, Tim O'Connor timboconnor@... [STMFC] wrote:
 

Bruce

I've used masking tape as you describe, but it can get tricky and can
potentially lift up decals or paint. So either way works but I was thinking
that the brushing on hairspray might be both faster and less likely to cause
any problems. But masking tape is still preferred if you need to make a
precise shape like a rectangle or circle.

I've seen spreader blades with a wide area of rust and then a more recent
smaller area of bright shiny steel!

Fun stuff to try. :-)

Tim



Steam era freight cars made it into the UK Daily Mail

Jeffrey White
 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4253792/New-York-City-cowboys-led-freight-trains-streets.html

Some interesting photos I hadn't see before. And I thought crossing watchmen was a job that lasted a lot longer then necessary. I had no idea they paid someone to lead trains through New York Ciity on horseback.

Jeff White

Alma, IL


Re: CB&Q and Wilson reefers, circa 1919-1920

Gary Ray
 

Wonderful pictures.  I enjoyed looking at the surroundings (lots of ideas) as well as the cars and markings.  Thanks for sharing,

 

Gary Ray

 

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Subject: [STMFC] CB&Q and Wilson reefers, circa 1919-1920

 




Several images of a CB&Q reefer show up on today’s EL-Steamtown photo archive. I suspect these images were taken to document an accident, possibly in conjunction with the Milwaukee box car images that posted yesterday. Based upon some background details, it seems like this is the same location.

 

The images date is not specific, only noting a 1919-1920 period. The car does have a 6-19 reweigh stencil. I was wondering if this car, or others of this series, would become Western Fruit Express cars within a few years of these photographs.

 

Here are the links.

 

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-02-24-17/X1416.jpg

 

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-02-24-17/X1417.jpg

 

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-02-24-17/X1418.jpg

 

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-02-24-17/X1419.jpg

 

 

Two days ago there were images of a Wilson reefer that has met something more robust. Part of a CB&Q automobile box car can be seen in the last image. It bears a 1-18 reweigh date.

 

Here are those links.

 

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-02-22-17/X1407.jpg

 

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-02-22-17/X1408.jpg

 

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-02-22-17/X1409.jpg

 

 

 

Enjoy!

 

 

Eric Hansmann

El Paso, TX





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Re: Gluck Beer Refrigerator Images wanted

BRIAN PAUL EHNI
 

I believe you’re looking for “Glueck”, not “Gluck”.





Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni





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Subject: [STMFC] Gluck Beer Refrigerator Images wanted





Hello, Gluck Beer of Minneapolis-St. Paul was a prominent product at one time. The company did own or operated a series of billboard reefers with their logo on the sides. I've seen the H-O and O scale renditions, but have never seen the actual cars. Does anyone have an actual photo of one of these?

Thank you.

Dick







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Re: CB&Q and Wilson reefers, circa 1919-1920

Bill Welch
 

I meant to also say that AFAIK none of the BREX truss rod reefers were rebuild with the Hutchins type metal roof. This is based purely of photographic evidence.

Bill Welch


Re: CB&Q and Wilson reefers, circa 1919-1920

Tony Thompson
 

Eric Hansmann wrote:

 
Several images of a CB&Q reefer show up on today’s EL-Steamtown photo archive. I suspect these images were taken to document an accident, possibly in conjunction with the Milwaukee box car images that posted yesterday. Based upon some background details, it seems like this is the same location.

The images date is not specific, only noting a 1919-1920 period. The car does have a 6-19 reweigh stencil. I was wondering if this car, or others of this series, would become Western Fruit Express cars within a few years of these photographs.


   Presumably BREX, not WFEX.

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Gluck Beer Refrigerator Images wanted

richard glueck
 

Hello, Gluck Beer of Minneapolis-St. Paul was a prominent product at one time.  The company did own or operated a series of billboard reefers with their logo on the sides.  I've seen the H-O and O scale renditions, but have never seen the actual cars.  Does anyone have an actual photo of one of these?

Thank you.

    Dick



Re: Chipping Fluid

Tim O'Connor
 

Bruce

I've used masking tape as you describe, but it can get tricky and can
potentially lift up decals or paint. So either way works but I was thinking
that the brushing on hairspray might be both faster and less likely to cause
any problems. But masking tape is still preferred if you need to make a
precise shape like a rectangle or circle.

I've seen spreader blades with a wide area of rust and then a more recent
smaller area of bright shiny steel!

Fun stuff to try. :-)

Tim

Tim,

I like the composite car approach! I've struggled to get the difference between the metal and wood.

Replacement boards I tend to think of as a masking project� Just paaint the whole car mask off the boards to be left as new (at the same time as I mask off the reweigh data) and then weather the car. I have not actually done it, but I have a great photo of a PRR wood sheathed cabin car with half of one end in new paint� Obviously the victim of a clearance point issue and sideswipe accident ;)
My first big project that I am planning on using these approaches is for a PRR Jordan Spreader. The attached photo isn't great but it shows the weathering issues, ranging from the peeling paint on the wood sided control cab to the bare metal, rust and mud on the blades. It's getting close to the top of my modeling to do list�

Regards
Bruce


Re: CB&Q and Wilson reefers, circa 1919-1920

Bill Welch
 

I have one photo from this group in BREX service—#76238 from CSRM. It has been reweighed in July 1938 at FGE's shops in Alexandria, VA. It retains its double board roof and Arch Bars trucks which is surprising as the FGE/WFE/BRE was pretty efficient in changing to new technology trucks. The gussets that connect the ends and sides along the bottom of the were larger by 1938 going all the way to the inner straps of the sill steps and all the way to the bottom forming a Trapezoid.

This group of cars was largely gone by WWII. Other BREX truss rod cars were in service after the war however. BTW BREX went into business in the summer of 1926.

Bill Welch


Re: Chipping Fluid

Bruce Smith
 

Tim,

I like the composite car approach! I’ve struggled to get the difference between the metal and wood.

Replacement boards I tend to think of as a masking project… Just paint the whole car mask off the boards to be left as new (at the same time as I mask off the reweigh data) and then weather the car. I have not actually done it, but I have a great photo of a PRR wood sheathed cabin car with half of one end in new paint… Obviously the victim of a clearance point “issue” and sideswipe accident ;)

My first big project that I am planning on using these approaches is for a PRR Jordan Spreader. The attached photo isn’t great but it shows the weathering issues, ranging from the peeling paint on the wood sided control cab to the bare metal, rust and mud on the blades. It’s getting close to the top of my modeling to do list…

Regards
Bruce

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On Feb 24, 2017, at 1:45 PM, Tim O'Connor @timboconnor<mailto:@timboconnor> [STMFC] <STMFC@...<mailto:STMFC@...>> wrote:



Bruce

Bruce I can think of some applications for "sharp demarcations" that are
not just rust spots.

Idea #1 is composite cars - Often on single sheathed cars the steel and
wood fade and weather very differently. First layer is the base wood color,
then the hairspray mask brush painted on the wood, then spray the steel color.
Remove the hairspray from the steel. (Seam Caps on roofs are another example
of this technique.)

Or how about replacement boards on refrigerator cars? Basically use the
hairspray (chipping fluid) as a weathering mask. Weather the car, and then
remove the mask from the "new" boards.

Finally, simulate "chalking" of lettering on heavily weathered cars. Paint
and decal the car, then brush paint the masking fluid over the lettering that
will remain bright. Weather the heck out of the car, then remove the mask.
Voila - bright lettering on a filthy car!

Tim O'Connor





Tim,

Great photos! In my mind, I would characterize these as faded and not chipped paint, and I have looked to get the effect with layered washes and chalks.

In looking at the photos though, I think you have a very valid point that the effect seen could be recreated with these chipping solutions by painting a lighter faded color, then the solution and then the darker weathered color and then create the wear pattern. It's not so much chipping in this case but layering colors… Of course, you could also just do that without the chipping solutions…

The best use of the chipping solutions in my mind is to create areas with clear, sharp demarkations between the under neath color (bare metal, primer) and the top coat.

One use that occurs to me is the horizontal rust streaks on boxcars where the forklift has been used to move a door. Here's an example on a tank
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-XZTohr7bkak/VsBe_sXIvrI/AAAAAAAACRw/zX3Npk2X3Fw/s1600/IMG_6708.JPG

That B&O M-26 is one of my favorite photos ;)

Regards
Bruce




Really?? And these (attached) are not the worst I've seen.


>> I can't see too many steam era freight car applications where it might be appropriate,
>> since few cars would have that degree of paint loss unless they were out of service.
>> Bruce Smith


Re: UP A-50-4 AUTO CAR

Peter Hall
 

Bill, thanks!  And, join the club…

Thanks
Pete




On Feb 24, 2017, at 1:52 PM, WILLIAM PARDIE PARDIEW001@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:


Terry Metcalfe did a great article of this car in his UNION PACIFIC MODELER Volume Two. It might be hard to find as I believe this was done in the 80's but I'm sure that there are some out there.. I must be pretty old.

Bill Pardie



UP A-50-4 AUTO CAR

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

Terry Metcalfe did a great article of this car in his UNION PACIFIC MODELER Volume Two. It might be hard to find as I believe this was done in the 80's but I'm sure that there are some out there.. I must be pretty old.

Bill Pardie


Re: Chipping Fluid

Tim O'Connor
 

Bruce

Bruce I can think of some applications for "sharp demarcations" that are
not just rust spots.

Idea #1 is composite cars - Often on single sheathed cars the steel and
wood fade and weather very differently. First layer is the base wood color,
then the hairspray mask brush painted on the wood, then spray the steel color.
Remove the hairspray from the steel. (Seam Caps on roofs are another example
of this technique.)

Or how about replacement boards on refrigerator cars? Basically use the
hairspray (chipping fluid) as a weathering mask. Weather the car, and then
remove the mask from the "new" boards.

Finally, simulate "chalking" of lettering on heavily weathered cars. Paint
and decal the car, then brush paint the masking fluid over the lettering that
will remain bright. Weather the heck out of the car, then remove the mask.
Voila - bright lettering on a filthy car!

Tim O'Connor





Tim,

Great photos!  In my mind, I would characterize these as faded and not chipped paint, and I have looked to get the effect with layered washes and chalks. 

In looking at the photos though, I think you have a very valid point that the effect seen could be recreated with these chipping solutions by painting a lighter faded color, then the solution and then the darker weathered color and then create the wear pattern.  It's not so much chipping in this case but layering colors� Of course, you could also just do that without the chipping solutions�

The best use of the chipping solutions in my mind is to create areas with clear, sharp demarkations between the under neath color (bare metal, primer) and the top coat. 

One use that occurs to me is the horizontal rust streaks on boxcars where the forklift has been used to move a door.  Here's an example on a tank
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-XZTohr7bkak/VsBe_sXIvrI/AAAAAAAACRw/zX3Npk2X3Fw/s1600/IMG_6708.JPG

That B&O M-26 is one of my favorite photos ;)


Regards
Bruce




Really?? And these (attached) are not the worst I've seen.


 >> I can't see too many steam era freight car applications where it might be appropriate,
 >> since few cars would have that degree of paint loss unless they were out of service.
 >> Bruce Smith


Re: CB&Q and Wilson reefers, circa 1919-1920

Eric Hansmann
 

Thank you, Rich. I knew it was a Fruit Growers affiliate, but forgot that Burlington had formed an operation.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

El Paso, TX

 

 

 

 


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Not likely that they became part of Western Fruit Express.  CB&Q reefers became Burlington Reefer Express BREX.   WFEX was the Great Northern reefer subsidiary.

 

Rich Orr

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From: 'Eric Hansmann' eric@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...>
To: stmfc
Sent: Fri, Feb 24, 2017 12:21 pm
Subject: [STMFC] CB&Q and Wilson reefers, circa 1919-1920

 

Several images of a CB&Q reefer show up on today’s EL-Steamtown photo archive. I suspect these images were taken to document an accident, possibly in conjunction with the Milwaukee box car images that posted yesterday. Based upon some background details, it seems like this is the same location.

 

The images date is not specific, only noting a 1919-1920 period. The car does have a 6-19 reweigh stencil. I was wondering if this car, or others of this series, would become Western Fruit Express cars within a few years of these photographs.

 

Here are the links.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Two days ago there were images of a Wilson reefer that has met something more robust. Part of a CB&Q automobile box car can be seen in the last image. It bears a 1-18 reweigh date.

 

Here are those links.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Enjoy!

 

 

Eric Hansmann

El Paso, TX

 



Re: CB&Q and Wilson reefers, circa 1919-1920

Nelson Moyer
 

CB&Q 36000-36749 is a 40 ft. Class RM-6 refrigerator car built my Haskell & Barker in 1914. It had steel center sill, so it was given 40 ton cast T-section trucks and renumbered in the BREX 76000-76749 series in 1926.

Nelson Moyer

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Not likely that they became part of Western Fruit Express. CB&Q reefers became Burlington Reefer Express BREX. WFEX was the Great Northern reefer subsidiary.

Rich Orr

-----Original Message-----
From: 'Eric Hansmann' eric@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...>
To: stmfc <stmfc@...>
Sent: Fri, Feb 24, 2017 12:21 pm
Subject: [STMFC] CB&Q and Wilson reefers, circa 1919-1920

Several images of a CB&Q reefer show up on today’s EL-Steamtown photo archive. I suspect these images were taken to document an accident, possibly in conjunction with the Milwaukee box car images that posted yesterday. Based upon some background details, it seems like this is the same location.

The images date is not specific, only noting a 1919-1920 period. The car does have a 6-19 reweigh stencil. I was wondering if this car, or others of this series, would become Western Fruit Express cars within a few years of these photographs.

Here are the links.

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-02-24-17/X1416.jpg

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-02-24-17/X1417.jpg

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-02-24-17/X1418.jpg

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-02-24-17/X1419.jpg


Two days ago there were images of a Wilson reefer that has met something more robust. Part of a CB&Q automobile box car can be seen in the last image. It bears a 1-18 reweigh date.

Here are those links.

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-02-22-17/X1407.jpg

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-02-22-17/X1408.jpg

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-02-22-17/X1409.jpg



Enjoy!


Eric Hansmann
El Paso, TX


Re: CB&Q and Wilson reefers, circa 1919-1920

SUVCWORR@...
 

Not likely that they became part of Western Fruit Express.  CB&Q reefers became Burlington Reefer Express BREX.   WFEX was the Great Northern reefer subsidiary.

Rich Orr


-----Original Message-----
From: 'Eric Hansmann' eric@... [STMFC]
To: stmfc
Sent: Fri, Feb 24, 2017 12:21 pm
Subject: [STMFC] CB&Q and Wilson reefers, circa 1919-1920



Several images of a CB&Q reefer show up on today’s EL-Steamtown photo archive. I suspect these images were taken to document an accident, possibly in conjunction with the Milwaukee box car images that posted yesterday. Based upon some background details, it seems like this is the same location.
 
The images date is not specific, only noting a 1919-1920 period. The car does have a 6-19 reweigh stencil. I was wondering if this car, or others of this series, would become Western Fruit Express cars within a few years of these photographs.
 
Here are the links.
 
 
 
 
 
 
Two days ago there were images of a Wilson reefer that has met something more robust. Part of a CB&Q automobile box car can be seen in the last image. It bears a 1-18 reweigh date.
 
Here are those links.
 
 
 
 
 
 
Enjoy!
 
 
Eric Hansmann
El Paso, TX



HO Enhanced kits for SP+C&O sq corner '37 AAR box cars

Andy Carlson
 



Hello-

For SP and C&O fans, I have some pre-war square corner '37 AAR box car kits. I only have 8 RC 8001 kits; when these are gone there is a likelyhood that the new owner Intermountain may never run these again. Frank at IMRC seemed skeptical, as IM has their own '37 AAR kit.

A simple HO kit-- Chesapeake & Ohio class M55 1937 AAR box car. Cars came with Double truss 50-ton spring plank trucks, wood running boards, Ajax handbrakes and pre-war Youngstown 5/6/5 steel doors. Somewhat unique is the Viking roof and Durea underframe. 500 cars built in 10/11-36 with square cornered Dreadnaught ends. C&O 4000-4499
Also 250 cars built 7/8-37 C&O 5000-5249, also with square corner ends

This kit includes:
1 Red Caboose RC 8001 square corner '37 AAR box car undec kit
1 Centralia shops Viking steel roof
2 sets of Intermountain 8-rung ladders
1 pair of Tahoe Model Works Double truss trucks, less wheels
4 axles of Intermountain semi-scale "High Detail" wheel sets (these are the just released code 88wheels with rear wheel facing with prototype profile shape and thicker axles)
The modeler will need to acquire the Durea underframe  and decals elsewhere
Offered at $38, shipping included to the US.

Another simple kit--Southern Pacific class B-50-18, built in 1936 to 1937. Wood running boards, square corner 4/5 EDEs, Ajax hand brakes, Double truss 50-ton spring plankless trucks and Youngstown 5/6/5 pre-war steel doors. 300 cars, SP 33270=33569.
Also, SP class B-50-19, built in 1937. Same features as the -18. 249 cars in SP 38340-38589

These kits include:
1 Red Caboose RC-8001 square corner '37 AAR undec box car kit
1 pair of Tahoe Model Works double truss trucks, less wheels
4 axles of High Detail code 88 semi-scale wheel sets by Intermountain
Offered for $32, shipping included to the US

If interested, contact me off-list (Please) @

I accept checks and money orders. With a small fee I also accept PayPal.
Thanks,  -Andy Carlson



CB&Q and Wilson reefers, circa 1919-1920

Eric Hansmann
 

Several images of a CB&Q reefer show up on today’s EL-Steamtown photo archive. I suspect these images were taken to document an accident, possibly in conjunction with the Milwaukee box car images that posted yesterday. Based upon some background details, it seems like this is the same location.

 

The images date is not specific, only noting a 1919-1920 period. The car does have a 6-19 reweigh stencil. I was wondering if this car, or others of this series, would become Western Fruit Express cars within a few years of these photographs.

 

Here are the links.

 

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-02-24-17/X1416.jpg

 

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-02-24-17/X1417.jpg

 

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-02-24-17/X1418.jpg

 

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-02-24-17/X1419.jpg

 

 

Two days ago there were images of a Wilson reefer that has met something more robust. Part of a CB&Q automobile box car can be seen in the last image. It bears a 1-18 reweigh date.

 

Here are those links.

 

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-02-22-17/X1407.jpg

 

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-02-22-17/X1408.jpg

 

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-02-22-17/X1409.jpg

 

 

 

Enjoy!

 

 

Eric Hansmann

El Paso, TX