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Re: UP A-50-4

Fred Jansz
 

In China they drop a lot too. Was kitbashing two Trix UP B-50-24 cars with Speedwitch underframe, decals and lots of other detail parts. When I took the car bodies out of the brake fluid I was amazed to see the two cars had broken off corners that were glued back to the cars in the factory and coated with paint. The brake fluid had dissolved both paint and the glue. One was hurt so bad (various small pieces of plastic) I had to buy another Trix car on ebay. Dropped it in the brake fluid and guess what? Side sill that was supposed to be under one door was floating in the fluid. Don't know how they handle those cars in the far East but it ain't gentle I can tell you. Both cars came out fine in the end. One was as documented with Apex run board (only 100 cars of the 1900 built), white & yellow (pre 1947) Streamliner/West lettering and the other with a wooden run board and repainted/lettered according to new 1947 all yellow scheme (they were built 1939, so a 1949 repaint could've been the case I guess).
cheers,
Fred Jansz


Re: UP A-50-4

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Tim and Friends,

I've yet to drop a resin car. That said, years ago my ex-pushed down too hard on a bookshelf with those aluminum brackets above my On2 apartment layout, and dropped about 60 pounds of big-format railroad books onto the Walking Catfish, my self-propelled railcar. I still have the pieces, but the car was never rebuilt.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

 

Tony

lol - has EVERYONE dropped at least one early Westerfield model? I know
I have - the GN 50 foot single sheathed car. Same story - fractures fit
back together like a piece of broken ceramic. :-)

Tim



Re: UP A-50-4

 

I never did. Al Westerfield



On February 24, 2017, at 12:35 AM, "Tim O'Connor timboconnor@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:


 

Tony

lol - has EVERYONE dropped at least one early Westerfield model? I know
I have - the GN 50 foot single sheathed car. Same story - fractures fit
back together like a piece of broken ceramic. :-)

Tim




Peter Hall wrote:

Here is a photo of an HO scale Westerfield A-50-4 that I built in about 1980-85.  I now have another of the same kit to build, and am wondering if this lettering is correct for the era 1947-1950?  Despite my efforts, I can�t seem to locate a photo reference.

    UP made the change from Roman (serif) to Gothic (sans-serif) lettering in June 1939. The lettering was white (except for yellow slogans). It was not until 1947 that all lettering became yellow. So the all-white Gothic is fine for a car repainted anytime from 1939 to 1947.
     This particular model was the second resin car kit I ever built, and though the gray resin was a handful to work with, I loved (and still love) the model. Mine too made a trip to the floor, and the glass-brittleness of that early resin was a blessing. Every piece fit perfectly back together. I reassembled it with CA and you have to look carefully today to find the joins.

Tony Thompson


Re: UP A-50-4

Tim O'Connor
 

Tony

lol - has EVERYONE dropped at least one early Westerfield model? I know
I have - the GN 50 foot single sheathed car. Same story - fractures fit
back together like a piece of broken ceramic. :-)

Tim




Peter Hall wrote:

Here is a photo of an HO scale Westerfield A-50-4 that I built in about 1980-85.  I now have another of the same kit to build, and am wondering if this lettering is correct for the era 1947-1950?  Despite my efforts, I can�t seem to locate a photo reference.

    UP made the change from Roman (serif) to Gothic (sans-serif) lettering in June 1939. The lettering was white (except for yellow slogans). It was not until 1947 that all lettering became yellow. So the all-white Gothic is fine for a car repainted anytime from 1939 to 1947.
     This particular model was the second resin car kit I ever built, and though the gray resin was a handful to work with, I loved (and still love) the model. Mine too made a trip to the floor, and the glass-brittleness of that early resin was a blessing. Every piece fit perfectly back together. I reassembled it with CA and you have to look carefully today to find the joins.

Tony Thompson


Re: Test message 1

Tim O'Connor
 

The photo was not "attached" - it was "embedded". A technical difference,
but it might squeak past the Yahoo filter.

In my Eudora email software, there are sub-directories called "Attach" and
"Embedded". This is handy because "embedded" images can be difficult to view
from inside the Eudora message viewer.

Tim O'Connor




This is a test to see if attached photos are allowed (as a result of the recent msg including a photo of an HO scale UP A-50-4).

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Regards,

-Jeff
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Re: Cement Hopper Weathering

Richard Townsend
 

I was thinking it looks like they moved the locations of the hatches, and the circles are where the original hatch locations were.
 Why move them? I don't know. Maybe for better loading efficiency?
 
Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


Re: UP A-50-4

Tim O'Connor
 

Peter, try Railmodel Journal, October 1989. That's the only article I know
that covers the A-50-4. There might be something in the the UPHS Streamliner
too, but I don't have an index for that publication.

Tim O'Connor

Hello folks, I need a little advice from an expert, please:

Here is a photo of an HO scale Westerfield A-50-4 that I built in about 1980-85. I now have another of the same kit to build, and am wondering if this lettering is correct for the era 1947-1950? Despite my efforts, I can't seem to locate a photo reference.
This nice car once made a trip to the floor and broke into pieces, as you see on the left end, but I was able to put it back together. I guess that's a testimony to the sturdiness of resin kits.

Thanks
Pete






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Re: Cement Hopper Weathering

thecitrusbelt@...
 

Neither logical or likely.


Why weld an entire matching circle when you only need to preventing denting in the latch area?


Would there really be a concern about denting a fairly thick metal roof? The roof hatch is a stamping (relatively light weight) and its short arc of travel could hardly allow it to built up enough speed to be a concern.


Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA



Re: CM&StP box car broadside

Dennis Storzek
 

A couple things I noticed... 

The A end is damaged, with broken end posts.

The car has a different coupler at each end, both pre-ARA type D. The A end has a strange side operated coupler; to uncouple, you pull the cut lever out perpendicular to the track. The B end has a bottom operated rotary. This seems quite early for bottom operated couplers.

I stopped at the Sergent Engineering web site earlier this week. Frank now has an HO scale Sharon coupler, which would be just perfect for a model of this car. The Sharon is only 3/4 the length of a type D/E, giving cars that used them a close coupled appearance. The Sergent Sharon has the proper rib pattern on the "thumb" side of the knuckle.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Winter TKM is now available

Bruce Smith
 

​Folks,


My apologies!  This is issue #99!  The next issue of TKM will be #100!


Regards

Bruce Smith



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Folks,

The Winer 2017 issue of the Keystone Modeler, #98, is now available.  See http://www.prrths.com/newprr_files/newPRRKeystoneModeler.htm

Regards,
Bruce

Bruce F. Smith
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Winter TKM is now available

Bruce Smith
 

Folks,

The Winer 2017 issue of the Keystone Modeler, #98, is now available.  See http://www.prrths.com/newprr_files/newPRRKeystoneModeler.htm

Regards,
Bruce

Bruce F. Smith
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Re: Cement Hopper Weathering

mvlandsw
 

   Is it really a weathering pattern? It looks to me like there could be an extra layer of metal welded onto the roof to prevent denting when the hatches are flipped open.


Mark Vinski


Re: Cement Hopper Weathering

Bill Vaughn
 

Interesting pattern.  Looks like the hatches may have been open for awhile since there is a pronounced ring.

Bill Vaughn


On Thursday, February 23, 2017 4:15 PM, "thecitrusbelt@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 
I have several two-bay cement hoppers that I plan to weather using prototype photos as a guide. This particular photo by Robert Pisani caught my eye because of the subtle pattern around the roof hatches:
 
 
Notice the relatively clean circular areas where the open hatch covers shielded the roof from spilled cement. This is the only roof shot I've seen with this particular pattern from more than two dozen I've studied.
 
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA
 



Re: CM&StP box car broadside

rwitt_2000
 

Richard,

This is a useful find especially for those modeling the as built CM&StP wood, double sheathed box car with the Bettendorf underframe from the Westerfield kit.

*12003 BETTENDORF DS BOX CAR, ORIGINAL, CM&StP, CMStP&P, MILW

As I recall when the kit was introduced, there were not many photos available for that prototype.

Bob Witt


Re: CM&StP box car broadside

Ted Schnepf
 

Hi Richard,

Thanks for sharing the interesting photos.

This car was a very large Milw class of 3455 cars built in 1912 and 1913, and they lasted in to the 1950's in limited numbers. They have steel fishbelly Bettendorf under frame and are long, 42'5" exterior length. The 40 ton cars rode on Bettendorf boltless trucks when built. The A end lumber door was high on some cars as shown in the photo, and on other cars was 2/3 height. Photos in later years show some cars with braced ends.

In 1913, 2955 of these cars were built in Milwaukee shops (probably distributed between Milw, Dubuque and So. Minneapolis.) But that is still 1000 cars per shop, or about 4 per day (6 day work week) from each shop. Still an amazing amount of car production coming from in house.

During this time frame (1907 to 1916) Milw standardized on 42' boxcars having 16,839 of them. Latter they upped the length to 43' (1917 and 1918) and built another 2000 cars. Then the USRA cane along and made them purchase little 40' cars.

Ted

At 11:12 AM 2/23/2017, you wrote:
All

Another excellent freight car photo series on the ErieLack archive site...
from the NPS Steamtown collection posted by Richard McKnight;

CM&StP 501037 wood boxcar... circa 1919~1920 - full high-rez broadside
http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-02-23-17/X1414.jpg

A 3/4 walkaround is in the series:
http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-02-22-17/X1411.jpg
http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-02-23-17/X1412.jpg
http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-02-23-17/X1413.jpg
http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-02-23-17/X1415.jpg
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Re: Test message 1 +1

Jon Miller
 

On 2/23/2017 3:44 PM, pullmanboss@... [STMFC] wrote:
No image there when viewing the post on the STMFC web site. Just a little black box with an "x" in it.

    It showed as a embedded picture on my email!  I'm not sure what happens but it appears sometimes one gets a picture and sometimes not.  It seems like when I get private or group email there is a picture and when I get something (say Harbor Freight ad) it shows as a black box with an "x" in it.

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Cement Hopper Weathering

thecitrusbelt@...
 

I have several two-bay cement hoppers that I plan to weather using prototype photos as a guide. This particular photo by Robert Pisani caught my eye because of the subtle pattern around the roof hatches:

 

http://www.railcarphotos.com/PhotoDetails.php?PhotoID=2338

 

Notice the relatively clean circular areas where the open hatch covers shielded the roof from spilled cement. This is the only roof shot I've seen with this particular pattern from more than two dozen I've studied.

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

 


Re: Test message 1 +1

Tom Madden
 

No image there when viewing the post on the STMFC web site. Just a little black box with an "x" in it.


Tom Madden


Re: Test message 1 +1

Bill Keene <wakeene@...>
 

Hi Jeff,

Like this … as an insert within a message… ?


Yes. This is my photo of an ATSF SK-R stock car that was snapped in Morris, Kansas, on June 3, 1974.

Cheers,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA

On Feb 23, 2017, at 2:34 PM, 'Aley, Jeff A' Jeff.A.Aley@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

This is a test to see if attached photos are allowed (as a result of the recent msg including a photo of an HO scale UP A-50-4).

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Regards,

-Jeff

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]



Re: UP A-50-4

Tony Thompson
 

Peter Hall wrote:

Here is a photo of an HO scale Westerfield A-50-4 that I built in about 1980-85.  I now have another of the same kit to build, and am wondering if this lettering is correct for the era 1947-1950?  Despite my efforts, I can’t seem to locate a photo reference.

    UP made the change from Roman (serif) to Gothic (sans-serif) lettering in June 1939. The lettering was white (except for yellow slogans). It was not until 1947 that all lettering became yellow. So the all-white Gothic is fine for a car repainted anytime from 1939 to 1947.
     This particular model was the second resin car kit I ever built, and though the gray resin was a handful to work with, I loved (and still love) the model. Mine too made a trip to the floor, and the glass-brittleness of that early resin was a blessing. Every piece fit perfectly back together. I reassembled it with CA and you have to look carefully today to find the joins.

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