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Re: UP A-50-4

Tony Thompson
 

Peter Hall wrote:

Here is a photo of an HO scale Westerfield A-50-4 that I built in about 1980-85.  I now have another of the same kit to build, and am wondering if this lettering is correct for the era 1947-1950?  Despite my efforts, I can’t seem to locate a photo reference.

    UP made the change from Roman (serif) to Gothic (sans-serif) lettering in June 1939. The lettering was white (except for yellow slogans). It was not until 1947 that all lettering became yellow. So the all-white Gothic is fine for a car repainted anytime from 1939 to 1947.
     This particular model was the second resin car kit I ever built, and though the gray resin was a handful to work with, I loved (and still love) the model. Mine too made a trip to the floor, and the glass-brittleness of that early resin was a blessing. Every piece fit perfectly back together. I reassembled it with CA and you have to look carefully today to find the joins.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
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Re: UP A-50-4

 

Pete - The instructions in your new kit should show photos of all variations.  I updated the kit 28th better detail and more variations about 2001.  If your kit doesn't have that info and has the Elk Grove address then you have the original kit 28th the old casting resin.  Best to throw it out.  Check out the Westerfield web site for photos of all kits.  Al Westerfield


On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 2:41 PM, Peter Hall petehall6369@... [STMFC]
wrote:
 


Hello folks, I need a little advice from an expert, please:  


Here is a photo of an HO scale Westerfield A-50-4 that I built in about 1980-85.  I now have another of the same kit to build, and am wondering if this lettering is correct for the era 1947-1950?  Despite my efforts, I can’t seem to locate a photo reference.

This nice car once made a trip to the floor and broke into pieces,  as you see on the left end, but I was able to put it back together.  I guess that’s a testimony to the sturdiness of resin kits. 

Thanks
Pete












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UP A-50-4

Peter Hall
 


Hello folks, I need a little advice from an expert, please:  


Here is a photo of an HO scale Westerfield A-50-4 that I built in about 1980-85.  I now have another of the same kit to build, and am wondering if this lettering is correct for the era 1947-1950?  Despite my efforts, I can’t seem to locate a photo reference.

This nice car once made a trip to the floor and broke into pieces,  as you see on the left end, but I was able to put it back together.  I guess that’s a testimony to the sturdiness of resin kits. 

Thanks
Pete












Re: Chipping

Gene Deimling
 

Tim
Mean Green will not harm enamel or lacquer. I believe he didn't want anyone to use enamel as the filter overlay.

Gene Deimling


Re: Chipping Fluid

Clark Propst
 

I’ve been using the AKI chipping and warn solutions on structures for a year or two. A friend just used the stuff on a box car roof. I’ll try to take some photos tonight. Beings it’s a resin kit I’ll attach the photos to an email on the resin freight cars group.
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Re: Chipping

Tim O'Connor
 

Gene

The only thing I found curious was Lee said not to "try this" mean green filter
method on solvent based paints. I assume he means that the cleanser would simply
be ineffective on solvent based paints, or was there something more sinister? :-\

Tim O'Connor






Recently, I posted a couple articles on weathering techniques used by Lee Turner.

On 3 September, Lee describes the use of Vallejo Chipping Fluids on weathering a model.

http://wp.me/p3M0JV-si

You will also find a useful article on the use of filters to age railroad equipment.

http://wp.me/p3M0JV-oa

--
Gene Deimling
El Dorado Hills, CA


Chipping

Gene Deimling
 

Recently, I posted a couple articles on weathering techniques used by Lee Turner.

On 3 September, Lee describes the use of Vallejo Chipping Fluids on weathering a model.


You will also find a useful article on the use of filters to age railroad equipment.

 

--
Gene Deimling
El Dorado Hills, CA


CM&StP box car broadside

Richard Brennan
 

All

Another excellent freight car photo series on the ErieLack archive site...
from the NPS Steamtown collection posted by Richard McKnight;

CM&StP 501037 wood boxcar... circa 1919~1920 - full high-rez broadside
http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-02-23-17/X1414.jpg

A 3/4 walkaround is in the series:
http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-02-22-17/X1411.jpg
http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-02-23-17/X1412.jpg
http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-02-23-17/X1413.jpg
http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-02-23-17/X1415.jpg

Is that a parakeet on the brake wheel???


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Richard Brennan - San Leandro CA
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Re: Chipping Fluid

Jared Harper
 

I can see using it on structures.

Jared Harper


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​Tony, Folks,


One place that I can see using this approach to good effect in HO would be on galvanized freight car roofs shedding paint.  That peeling is on a scale that might be very appropriate.  Other than that, I can't see too many steam era freight car applications where it might be appropriate, since few cars would have that degree of paint loss unless they were out of service.  I can also see applying it to locomotive pilots and handrails, some MOW equipment (plows, spreaders, flangers) and some wood car construction (peeling paint on car sides of a car in desperate need of rebuilding or repainting), but the effect would need to be used sparingly and probably not airbrushed on the entire car.


I do have some plans to use this approach on an active Jordan spreader to help weather the spreader blades.


Regards

Bruce

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL


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        Like any technique, it can probably yield some good results in the right place. But most of what I've read talks about large-scale models. I doubt HO would be in that range. You O scale guys, maybe so.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history








Re: Chipping Fluid

Jared Harper
 


The videos show some HO models, I think.

Jared Harper



---In STMFC@..., <tony@...> wrote :

        Like any technique, it can probably yield some good results in the right place. But most of what I've read talks about large-scale models. I doubt HO would be in that range. You O scale guys, maybe so.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history






Re: Chipping Fluid

Tim O'Connor
 


Not at all, Tony. Google for images or Youtube videos of Brian Banna's HO scale
modeling. Brian presented his Missouri Pacific diesels at the last Collinsville CT
meet (before it moved to Enfield CT) and this was where I first learned of the
"hair spray" technique. Cheap, pump-bottle, water-base hair spray is all you need.
You don't need $10 bottles of "chipping fluid". Brian uses a brush to apply the
hair spray to specific places where the hair spray (this also works with rock
salt, or some people like to use rubber cement) will be removed. It really should
be called "subtractive weathering".

The results that Brian had on display in his clinic was mind-boggling, it was so good.

Tim O'Connor




Like any technique, it can probably yield some good results in the right place. But most of what I've read talks about large-scale models. I doubt HO would be in that range. You O scale guys, maybe so.

Tony Thompson 


Re: Chipping Fluid

Bruce Smith
 

​Tony, Folks,


One place that I can see using this approach to good effect in HO would be on galvanized freight car roofs shedding paint.  That peeling is on a scale that might be very appropriate.  Other than that, I can't see too many steam era freight car applications where it might be appropriate, since few cars would have that degree of paint loss unless they were out of service.  I can also see applying it to locomotive pilots and handrails, some MOW equipment (plows, spreaders, flangers) and some wood car construction (peeling paint on car sides of a car in desperate need of rebuilding or repainting), but the effect would need to be used sparingly and probably not airbrushed on the entire car.


I do have some plans to use this approach on an active Jordan spreader to help weather the spreader blades.


Regards

Bruce

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL


From: STMFC@... on behalf of Tony Thompson tony@... [STMFC]
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 8:51 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Chipping Fluid
 


        Like any technique, it can probably yield some good results in the right place. But most of what I've read talks about large-scale models. I doubt HO would be in that range. You O scale guys, maybe so.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history








Re: Chipping Fluid

Tony Thompson
 

        Like any technique, it can probably yield some good results in the right place. But most of what I've read talks about large-scale models. I doubt HO would be in that range. You O scale guys, maybe so.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history






Re: ATSF USRA Rebuilt Box Car ca. 1942

gary laakso
 

With a Canadian Pacific boxcar coupled to it.

 

Gary Laakso

South of Mike Brock

 

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Bx-36, rebuilt 1940

Tim O'

Found in the Kansas Memory Collection.

http://www.kansasmemory.org/item/309595/page/1

With the caption: This photograph shows U.S. troops moving supplies into boxcars aboard an Atchison, Topeka & Santa Fe Railway Company military train.

Bob Witt


Re: ATSF USRA Rebuilt Box Car ca. 1942

Tim O'Connor
 


Bx-36, rebuilt 1940

Tim O'


Found in the Kansas Memory Collection.

http://www.kansasmemory.org/item/309595/page/1

With the caption: This photograph shows U.S. troops moving supplies into boxcars aboard an Atchison, Topeka & Santa Fe Railway Company military train.

Bob Witt


March and April Ops sessions on the Alma branch

Jared Harper
 

I am planning a March op session for Saturday the 4th or Sunday  the 5th or Sunday the 12th.  I am also planning an April op session for the 1st or 2nd.  If you can operate on any of these dates please e-mail me or call me at 706-543-8821.  All my op sessions begin with lunch at noon and last about 2 1/2-3 hours.

Jared Harper
420 Woodward Way
Athens, GA


Re: Chipping Fluid

Brad Andonian
 

I am starting to utilize them.     I purchased some of Mig Jimenez pigment sets and have some Vallejo wood colors en route.    I will be using these with a filter approach to gain a more aged look in my models.    I am working on wood sheathed boxcars and stock cars first.

Brad Andonian
Seattle [ o scale]


On Wednesday, February 22, 2017 5:37 PM, "Tom Cataldo cataldotj@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 
Has a full line weathering  paints
Tom cataldo

On Wednesday, February 22, 2017, thecitrusbelt@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 
Have any of you used chipping fluids as part of your approach to weathering rolling stock?
 
These fluids, available from Vallejo, MIG and AK-Interactive, have made their way into the paint supplies used by war gamers and military modelers. They may be more appropriate for structures and industrial equipment but perhaps they would be useful for rolling stock as well.
 
Some links about chipping fluids are below.
 
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


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Thomas  j Cataldo




ATSF USRA Rebuilt Box Car ca. 1942

rwitt_2000
 

Found in the Kansas Memory Collection.

http://www.kansasmemory.org/item/309595/page/1

With the caption: This photograph shows U.S. troops moving supplies into boxcars aboard an Atchison, Topeka & Santa Fe Railway Company military train.

Bob Witt



Re: Chipping Fluid

tjcataldo
 

http://www.pegasushobbies.net/catalog/
Has a full line weathering  paints
Tom cataldo

On Wednesday, February 22, 2017, thecitrusbelt@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

Have any of you used chipping fluids as part of your approach to weathering rolling stock?

 

These fluids, available from Vallejo, MIG and AK-Interactive, have made their way into the paint supplies used by war gamers and military modelers. They may be more appropriate for structures and industrial equipment but perhaps they would be useful for rolling stock as well.

 

Some links about chipping fluids are below.

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gjv-0Chndl4

 

http://privateerpressforums.com/showthread.php?116134-Heavy-Paint-Chipping-Tutorial

 

http://tibbsforge.com/vallejo-chipping-medium/

 

http://cs.finescale.com/fsm/tools_techniques_and_reference_materials/f/18/t/174275.aspx

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzLJ_13AOFo

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BB8605i5po0

 



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Thomas  j Cataldo