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David Leider
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Re: Deciphering a Conductor's record
Steve,
Could you also tell us where this train was running? It appears that all of the P&P cars are empty. Could they be returning home?
Steve Hile
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of James SANDIFER
1923. I have used the Westerfield 1925 ORER to try to find ID but likely candidates like P&PU don't have car numbers that match. Steve Sandifer
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Re: Deciphering a Conductor's record
Don Burn
What railroad is the conductors record from? I know car’s went everywhere but the fact that P&P is obscure and that three different cars are listed make me want to know if it is some industrial or shortline that connected to the railroad the record is from.
Don Burn
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of James SANDIFER
Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2020 11:29 PM To: Steam Freight Car <RealSTMFC@groups.io> Subject: [RealSTMFC] Deciphering a Conductor's record
I have been transcribing a conductor’s record. There are a few things I have not figured out, especially his RR IDs. Please look and see if you can offer any suggestions.
J. Stephen Sandifer
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Re: Deciphering a Conductor's record
Benjamin Hom
Doug Harding asked:
"Ben the CMSTP is on the list with a boxcar. Why would the conductor use a difference reference mark for the same railroad?" See my previous post: "My thought is P&P could be shorthand for Chicago, Milwaukee, St. Paul & Pacific, but I have my doubts for the following reasons: - The reorg after the 1925 bankruptcy creating the CMStP&P occurred in 1928." That data supports the above misgiving. Ben Hom
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Re: Deciphering a Conductor's record
Ben the CMSTP is on the list with a boxcar. Why would the conductor use a difference reference mark for the same railroad?
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Doug Harding www.iowacentralrr.org
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From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Benjamin Hom Sent: Monday, October 12, 2020 8:04 AM To: main@realstmfc.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Deciphering a Conductor's record Steve Sandifer wrote: "1923. I have used the Westerfield 1925 ORER to try to find ID but likely candidates like P&PU don't have car numbers that match." My thought is P&P could be shorthand for Chicago, Milwaukee, St. Paul & Pacific, but I have my doubts for the following reasons: - The reorg after the 1925 bankruptcy creating the CMStP&P occurred in 1928. - The car numbers seem low for freight cars. Still, it might be worth doing the cross check in the ORER to eliminate this possibility. Ben Hom
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Re: Deciphering a Conductor's record
earlyrail
P&P is not the PP&U
Checked Oct 1923 ORER and the car numbers do not match CG might be CGR Canadian Government Rail But I find no matching numbers under Canadian National Howard Garner
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Re: Deciphering a Conductor's record
Benjamin Hom
Steve Sandifer wrote:
"1923. I have used the Westerfield 1925 ORER to try to find ID but likely candidates like P&PU don't have car numbers that match." My thought is P&P could be shorthand for Chicago, Milwaukee, St. Paul & Pacific, but I have my doubts for the following reasons: - The reorg after the 1925 bankruptcy creating the CMStP&P occurred in 1928. - The car numbers seem low for freight cars. Still, it might be worth doing the cross check in the ORER to eliminate this possibility. Ben Hom
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Re: Deciphering a Conductor's record
Steve SANDIFER
1923. I have used the Westerfield 1925 ORER to try to find ID but likely candidates like P&PU don't have car numbers that match.
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Steve Sandifer
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Re: Deciphering a Conductor's record
al_brown03
Mm ... I would be very surprised if the Graham County owned revenue equipment. I'd check the Central of Georgia roster for the number.
Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.
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Re: Deciphering a Conductor's record
james murrie
ATSF 9231 contents = "Show baggage" as in Broadway show sets, etc. ?
Jim Murrie
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Re: Deciphering a Conductor's record
Brian Shumaker
Peoria & Pekin Union was a transfer railroad operation which probably didn’t own any revenue equipment, I need to check an Official Guide. Brian
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Re: Deciphering a Conductor's record
Do you know the era of the record? A good source of reporting mark information, including private marks, is http://www.nakina.net/other/report/report.html Here is what I am seeing/interpreting. Some of this is guess work.
CGW – Chicago Great Western with company materials LPT = Live Poultry Transit, poultry car, appears to be empty (the number fits) MRLX = Morris & Co (a meat packer purchased by Armour in the 20s) PHP is packing house products MRTX is Marx Hide & Tallow Co. MRX, MRRX, MRUX are Morrell = meat reefer MRRX is also Mather Refrigerator Express A 18528 contains company stores? CMStP = Milwaukee with shingles CBQ 113493 contains company goods
A 35502 sent to work outfit, EOF could be initials of man in charge TIDX = Tide Water Oil Co, later Getty Oil. GF = Georgia & Florida, later Central of Georgia, then Southern, then Norfolk Southern GT = Grand Trunk? Flat
MLT = Morgan’s Louisiana & Texas P&P = Peoria and Pekin Union
GC = Graham County KOTX is Kanotex Refining. Did the conductor reverse some letters?
Doug Harding www.iowacentralrr.org
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of James SANDIFER
Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2020 10:29 PM To: Steam Freight Car <RealSTMFC@groups.io> Subject: [RealSTMFC] Deciphering a Conductor's record
I have been transcribing a conductor’s record. There are a few things I have not figured out, especially his RR IDs. Please look and see if you can offer any suggestions.
J. Stephen Sandifer
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Re: Deciphering a Conductor's record
Kenneth Montero
From Piedmont & Western Railroad Club website - Railroad reporting marks:
Some interpolation by me:
CGW = Chicago Great Western
LPT =?
MRJX = Marcus-Ruth-Jerome?. Possibly a Mather refrigerator car (type R). The company rendered fat.
CMstP = Chicago, Milwaukee & St. Paul - a prior name for Chicago, Milwaukee, St. Paul & Pacific (Milwaukee Road)
TIDX = TIDEWATER OIL CO.; TIDE WATER ASSOCIATED OIL CO.; TIDAL REFINING CO.; TIDAL GASOLINE CO.]
GF = Georgia & Florida Railway
MLT = ML&T = Margan's Louisiana & Texas Railroad
P&P = P&PU = Peoria & Pekin Union?
KTOX (and tank car) -unknown
I hope that this helps.
Ken Montero
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Re: Deciphering a Conductor's record
Steve,
Can you provide the date of the document, it might help pin some things down.
PHP probably equals Packing House Products Contents of CB&Q 113493 probably Canned Goods
Thanks, Steve Hile
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of James SANDIFER
Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2020 10:29 PM To: Steam Freight Car <RealSTMFC@groups.io> Subject: [RealSTMFC] Deciphering a Conductor's record
I have been transcribing a conductor’s record. There are a few things I have not figured out, especially his RR IDs. Please look and see if you can offer any suggestions.
J. Stephen Sandifer
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Re: Deciphering a Conductor's record
John King
Steve,
I’ve seen other sources where P.H.P. represented Packing House Products. Not sure if that is the case here.
John King
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of James SANDIFER
Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2020 11:29 PM To: Steam Freight Car Subject: [RealSTMFC] Deciphering a Conductor's record
I have been transcribing a conductor’s record There are a few things I have not figured out, especially his RR IDs. Please look and see if you can offer any suggestions.
J. Stephen Sandifer
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Deciphering a Conductor's record
Steve SANDIFER
I have been transcribing a conductor’s record. There are a few things I have not figured out, especially his RR IDs. Please look and see if you can offer any suggestions.
J. Stephen Sandifer
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Re: ice refrigerator car
Tony,
I've thought about it. It wouldn't be hard, except for the lettering. Two obstacles. One is the assigned location being Jersey City and not knowing where it might travel to get there from the ice source, and the second is not knowing when this car was "captured"
by the PRR.
Regards,
Bruce
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Tony Thompson <tony@...>
Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2020 9:17 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] ice refrigerator car
Thanks, Bruce. So are you building the PRR ice car? <g>
Tony Thompson
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Re: ice refrigerator car
Tony Thompson
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Re: ice refrigerator car
Tony Thompson
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Re: ice refrigerator car
Tony Thompson
Thanks, Bruce. So are you building the PRR ice car? <g> Tony Thompson
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