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Re: NP Wood Reefer

npin53
 

99900 diagram.

Re: NP Wood Reefer

npin53
 
Edited

I think the 99900 cars were the ones with a sliding door for LCL and branch line service. I don't have my reference material here at work, or I could verify that.

Steel center sill cars had the truss rods.

Aaron

Re: NP Wood Reefer

Todd Sullivan
 

I should have checked my January 1952 ORER before I hit send.  Here are the NP wood reefer series listed in it:

90002-90799 RS - Steel Underframe - L 43'-1" cuft 2086 - 490 cars
90802-90999 RS - Steel Underframe - L 43'-1" cuft 2086 - 135 cars
92001-92942 RS - Steel Underframe - L 43'-0" cuft 2041 - 358 cars
93000-93950 RS - Steel Underframe - L 43'-1" cuft 2086 - 199 cars
94442-94920 RS - Steel Center Sills - L 43'-4" cuft 2086 - 19 cars
99942-99966 RS - Steel Center Sills - L 43'-4" cuft 2148 - 5 cars
     99967       RS - Steel Center Sills - L 43'-4" cuft 2086 - 1 car
99968-99995 RS - Steel Center Sills - L 43'-4" cuft 2148 - 25 cars
     99980       RS - Steel Center Sills - L 43'-4" cuft 2148 - 1 car

All cars are 12'-8" to top of running board and have 4'x6' doors.

Todd Sullivan

Re: NP Wood Reefer

Todd Sullivan
 

Thank you Larry, Dennis & Aaron.  I have a copy of Rick Leach's reprint of the 1940 NP freight car diagram book, but it's in storage about 1500 miles from here.  If someone else has a copy, that might help.  I'm pretty certain that the diagrams that Aaron provided would be in that reprint, but there may be more.  I am still amazed at how many diagrams it took to document NP's freight cars, especially the older ones.

Does anyone out there have a copy and can check it?

Todd Sullivan.

Re: NP Wood Reefer

npin53
 

These three diagrams are from the NPRHA site.

I hope we could at lest match a number series to an under frame type. I will look in my 1953 equipment register tonight.

Aaron Gjermundson

Re: NP Wood Reefer

Dennis Storzek
 

On Sun, Nov 17, 2019 at 08:39 PM, lrkdbn wrote:
Underfrane type 3- Cars built in 1922 had an underframe which upon study of photos looks to be the same as the USRA standard reefer,except that the NP car is slightly longer and wider:i.e.the NP "scaled up"the USRA design.The number of  rivets used looks to be the same.
Larry, Thanks for injecting some clarity into this discussion. Your refference to the USRA reefer underfranme means it should have crossbearers like this:


Crossbearer shown on the left, body bolster on the right.

In which case the Accurail fishbelly floor would be correct for those cars. Now, if someone had a roster so we could reconcile your built dates with actual car numbers, we would have this sorted. I unfortunately don't have any N.P. material.

Dennis Storzek

PFE

Paul Doggett
 

How I should have finished my R40-24 I will remove the periods 🙄🙄🙄
Paul Doggett. England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

Re: Photo: Tank Car With Full Hand Railings

G.J. Irwin
 

This is not far from my late dad's old neighborhood.  There is a little more on the Hoboken Shore Line at hbs.railfan.net (caution: some material beyond the time period of this list).

The photo looks like it was taken near the Maxwell House Coffee plant, one of the main brands of General Foods.  It was a major customer.

Cheers,
George Irwin

Pries corrugated radial roof

Bob Webber
 

Morbid curiosity compels me to ask - has anyone produced a model of a Pries corrugated radial roof?  (used on house cars of the teens - possibly only H&B? (it was a Michigan City concern, actually Williamson & Herman Pries and they had a lot fo patents for various freight car devices, appliances, metal/cast parts, roofs, UF, etc.)))?
Bob Webber

Re: Diagonal Panel Roof

Allan Smith
 

I have what you are looking for.  Contact me off list 
Al Smith
Sonora Ca

On Nov 17, 2019, at 5:42 PM, Bob Chapman <chapbob611@...> wrote:

I'm in need of a HO scale 40' diagonal panel roof for a boxcar project. At one time, Red Caboose offered these as an aftermarket part (#8700-04), but InterMountain's website no longer lists it.

Any suggestions?

Thanks,
Bob Chapman

Re: PFE R40-24

Paul Doggett
 

Fenton 
Thank you.
Paul 


On 18 Nov 2019, at 12:16, O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...> wrote:


Very nice Paul, Nice scene also
Fenton

On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 6:48 AM Paul Doggett via Groups.Io <paul.doggett2472=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi chaps

I have just finished my last 😢😢😢PFE sunshine reefer a plywood sided car

Paul Doggett.  England





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Re: PFE R40-24

O Fenton Wells
 

Very nice Paul, Nice scene also
Fenton

On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 6:48 AM Paul Doggett via Groups.Io <paul.doggett2472=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi chaps

I have just finished my last 😢😢😢PFE sunshine reefer a plywood sided car

Paul Doggett.  England





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250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
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Re: PFE R40-24

Paul Doggett
 

Thank you Fran 
Paul Doggett 


On 18 Nov 2019, at 11:53, Fran Giacoma <frangiacoma@...> wrote:

Well done, Paul. I like the layout setting it is in especially the way you blended the foreground into the backdrop. Nice B&O wagon top too!
Fran G.

Re: PFE R40-24

Fran Giacoma
 

Well done, Paul. I like the layout setting it is in especially the way you blended the foreground into the backdrop. Nice B&O wagon top too!
Fran G.

PFE R40-24

Paul Doggett
 

Hi chaps

I have just finished my last 😢😢😢PFE sunshine reefer a plywood sided car

Paul Doggett. England

Re: Diagonal Panel Roof

O Fenton Wells
 

Bob, I may have one and I should be home late this afternoon and can look
Fenton

On Sun, Nov 17, 2019 at 8:42 PM Bob Chapman <chapbob611@...> wrote:
I'm in need of a HO scale 40' diagonal panel roof for a boxcar project. At one time, Red Caboose offered these as an aftermarket part (#8700-04), but InterMountain's website no longer lists it.

Any suggestions?

Thanks,
Bob Chapman



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250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
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Re: Diagonal Panel Roof

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

Bob,

The old Front Range cars all had separate diagonal panel roofs. I've dropped Des Plaines, Red Caboose and Intermountain PS-1 roofs onto the FR bodies for a near perfect (after replacing the ends), so the FR roofs are about the same dimensions.

Yours Aye,

Garth Groff


On Sun, Nov 17, 2019 at 8:42 PM Bob Chapman <chapbob611@...> wrote:
I'm in need of a HO scale 40' diagonal panel roof for a boxcar project. At one time, Red Caboose offered these as an aftermarket part (#8700-04), but InterMountain's website no longer lists it.

Any suggestions?

Thanks,
Bob Chapman

Re: NP Wood Reefer

lrkdbn
 

I'd like to share my thoughts about the NP reefers. This is my own thinking and some of it is speculation.
Please correct me if appropriate!
That said there seems to to be 4 different designs of underframe used on the NP reefers,(According to Brian Pate's kit instructions all the nominal 40 ft cars shared similar body dimensions and details by the 1930's)
Underframe type 1 Shown in the 1912 CBD, it was standard on box, automobile, stock, and reefers built
1912-13. A very heavily built fishbelly center sill and bolsters with a truss rod under each side sill.
Needle beams were wood. I think this is the underframe in Mr.Deimlings drawing shown above.
Underframe type 2 Used on reefers built in 1917 looks to be similar to type 1 except needle beams
are fabricated steel but still with the truss rod. The picture of NP 94631 shows this type of car. I bet as built the body was like the 1913 cars in Mr. Deimling's drawing.
Underfrane type 3- Cars built in 1922 had an underframe which upon study of photos looks to be the same as the USRA standard reefer,except that the NP car is slightly longer and wider:i.e.the NP "scaled up"the USRA design.The number of  rivets used looks to be the same.
Underframe type 4(from Brain Pate's kit instructions) used the type 1 center sill and bolsters with new steel crossbearers similar to the 1917 design but without the truss rods-the side sill was steel channel as in the 1922 cars. this was in 1930. These cars were the prototype for Pate's kit.

I also wonder if this same progression of underframes was found in NP box cars, What do you all think?
Larry King

Re: Diagonal Panel Roof

Benjamin Hom
 

Bob Chapman asked:
"I'm in need of a HO scale 40' diagonal panel roof for a boxcar project. At one time, Red Caboose offered these as an aftermarket part (#8700-04), but InterMountain's website no longer lists it. Any suggestions?"

Alternatively, check your stash for Branchline postwar AAR boxcar undec kits.  They included all of the end, roof, and door options.


Ben Hom

Re: Diagonal Panel Roof

rdgbuff56
 

Bob,
      Go to Atlas website and search under BL1.  They list this roof at 2.98 and have other parts. 

Francis A.  Pehowic,  Jr. 

On Monday, November 18, 2019, 1:42:15 AM UTC, Bob Chapman <chapbob611@...> wrote:


I'm in need of a HO scale 40' diagonal panel roof for a boxcar project. At one time, Red Caboose offered these as an aftermarket part (#8700-04), but InterMountain's website no longer lists it.

Any suggestions?

Thanks,
Bob Chapman