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Re: Photo: More TCWX Tank Cars: (1931)

Richard Townsend
 

I don't have a 1931 ORER, but my January 1938 ORER says TCWX is for Charles Lennig & Co. only. At that point they had 18 tank cars, varying from 4,000 to 7,500 gallons capacity. All were TA acid tanks.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Sent: Thu, Oct 8, 2020 12:26 pm
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: More TCWX Tank Cars: (1931)

Schuyler,

Yes, I got it. I had the image open on my desktop and so couldn't see his post. Curiously, once I opened the image in large size, I couldn't get back to the smaller one.

Still wondering if the TCWX reporting mark only belonged to Charles Lennig & Co., or was the mark also used for other manufacturers leasing cars in the TCWX fleet. A 1931 ORER should explain.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Thu, Oct 8, 2020 at 2:07 PM Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io <schuyler.larrabee=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:
Bob explained that in the first, single car, image.
 
Charles Lenning & Co.
 
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2020 1:29 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: More TCWX Tank Cars: (1931)
 
Bob,
 
And who, pray tell, owned the TCWX reporting mark? That mark isn't listed in my 1957 ORER. Because of the angles, I can't read the name on the cars' sides.
 
Those three tank cars are all really neat. They are presumably acid cars, and each one different. I love the little 0-4-0T in the first photo.
 
 
Yours Aye,
 
 
Garth Groff  🦆
 
On Thu, Oct 8, 2020 at 12:59 PM Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:
Photo: More TCWX Tank Cars: (1931)
Photo from the Science History Institute:
Click and scroll to enlarge.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Re: Photo: More TCWX Tank Cars: (1931)

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

Schuyler,

Yes, I got it. I had the image open on my desktop and so couldn't see his post. Curiously, once I opened the image in large size, I couldn't get back to the smaller one.

Still wondering if the TCWX reporting mark only belonged to Charles Lennig & Co., or was the mark also used for other manufacturers leasing cars in the TCWX fleet. A 1931 ORER should explain.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Thu, Oct 8, 2020 at 2:07 PM Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io <schuyler.larrabee=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Bob explained that in the first, single car, image.

 

Charles Lenning & Co.

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2020 1:29 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: More TCWX Tank Cars: (1931)

 

Bob,

 

And who, pray tell, owned the TCWX reporting mark? That mark isn't listed in my 1957 ORER. Because of the angles, I can't read the name on the cars' sides.

 

Those three tank cars are all really neat. They are presumably acid cars, and each one different. I love the little 0-4-0T in the first photo.

 

 

Yours Aye,

 

 

Garth Groff  🦆

 

On Thu, Oct 8, 2020 at 12:59 PM Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Photo: More TCWX Tank Cars: (1931)

Photo from the Science History Institute:

https://digital.sciencehistory.org/works/nk322f14s/viewer/ff365613n

Click and scroll to enlarge.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Orange NP Wood Reefers

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

Good Morning RJ:

Yes this was a proper paint scheme.  Bill McKown
 (W&R) did such a great job on his models that for a long time my freight car fleet was disproportionately skewed to cars from the Pacific Northwest ( I am an SP modeler) because I could not say no to his models.  There was very little if anything to improve on.

In the case if the NP refers Bill put out a dara sheet detailing his research on the car color.  He described removing the paint on the side of an actual car revealing the different color layers.  I have this sheet (somewhere) an will forward it if I can out my hands on it.

Bill Pardie


Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy s

-------- Original message --------
From: radiodial868 <radiodial57@...>
Date: 10/8/20 5:43 AM (GMT-10:00)
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Orange NP Wood Reefers

These factory painted brass W&R Enterprises Northern Pacific Reefers pop up now and then. Was there ever such a orange paint scheme in place of the usual yellowish sides?


Thx,
-------------------
RJ Dial

Mendocino, CA


Re: Photo: More TCWX Tank Cars: (1931)

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Bob explained that in the first, single car, image.

 

Charles Lenning & Co.

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2020 1:29 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: More TCWX Tank Cars: (1931)

 

Bob,

 

And who, pray tell, owned the TCWX reporting mark? That mark isn't listed in my 1957 ORER. Because of the angles, I can't read the name on the cars' sides.

 

Those three tank cars are all really neat. They are presumably acid cars, and each one different. I love the little 0-4-0T in the first photo.

 

 

Yours Aye,

 

 

Garth Groff  🦆

 

On Thu, Oct 8, 2020 at 12:59 PM Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Photo: More TCWX Tank Cars: (1931)

Photo from the Science History Institute:

https://digital.sciencehistory.org/works/nk322f14s/viewer/ff365613n

Click and scroll to enlarge.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Photo: TCWX Tank Car 115 (1931)

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

Bob,

O.K. I got it. TCWX belongs to Charles Lennig & Co. and that's what is on the sides of the tank cars, except it is partly obscured by spillage.

But is Lennig the only company using the TCWX mark, or are they a leasing company with cars assigned to other customers?

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Thu, Oct 8, 2020 at 12:58 PM Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Photo: TCWX Tank Car 115 (1931)

Photo from the Science History Institute:

https://digital.sciencehistory.org/works/8w32r666s/viewer/cn69m512g

Click and scroll to enlarge.

Also Reading boxcar 100053.

TCWX are the reporting marks for Charles Lennig & Company

The company evidently had a Baldwin locomotive:

https://digitalcollections.smu.edu/digital/collection/rwy/id/2900/

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Photo: More TCWX Tank Cars: (1931)

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

Bob,

And who, pray tell, owned the TCWX reporting mark? That mark isn't listed in my 1957 ORER. Because of the angles, I can't read the name on the cars' sides.

Those three tank cars are all really neat. They are presumably acid cars, and each one different. I love the little 0-4-0T in the first photo.


Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Thu, Oct 8, 2020 at 12:59 PM Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Photo: More TCWX Tank Cars: (1931)

Photo from the Science History Institute:

https://digital.sciencehistory.org/works/nk322f14s/viewer/ff365613n

Click and scroll to enlarge.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Advertisement: Plastic Journal Box Lid (Circa 1942)

Bob Chaparro
 

Advertisement: Plastic Journal Box Lid (Circa 1942)

Material from the Science History Institute:

https://digital.sciencehistory.org/works/m039k614p

Click and scroll to enlarge.

A freight car detail that can be made in plastic that will be materially accurate.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: More TCWX Tank Cars: (1931)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: More TCWX Tank Cars: (1931)

Photo from the Science History Institute:

https://digital.sciencehistory.org/works/nk322f14s/viewer/ff365613n

Click and scroll to enlarge.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: TCWX Tank Car 115 (1931)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: TCWX Tank Car 115 (1931)

Photo from the Science History Institute:

https://digital.sciencehistory.org/works/8w32r666s/viewer/cn69m512g

Click and scroll to enlarge.

Also Reading boxcar 100053.

TCWX are the reporting marks for Charles Lennig & Company

The company evidently had a Baldwin locomotive:

https://digitalcollections.smu.edu/digital/collection/rwy/id/2900/

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Orange NP Wood Reefers

radiodial868
 

These factory painted brass W&R Enterprises Northern Pacific Reefers pop up now and then. Was there ever such a orange paint scheme in place of the usual yellowish sides?


Thx,
-------------------
RJ Dial

Mendocino, CA


Re: HO kit wanted

Kenneth Montero
 

Hugh,

When seeking this kit from other sources, be aware that Funaro & Carmerlengo also list as item 6660 the Canadian Pacific 1930 Mini-box car 1/AB brakes, so be sure to describe the model that you are seeking.

The model that you are seeking is a one-piece body kit. The same car is listed as a flat kit (2 cars in the kit) as item 6601.

I don't know what Funaro & Carmerlengo have in stock or can produce in the near future. Contact F&C to see what they have.

Ken Montero

On 10/07/2020 4:11 PM Hugh Guillaume via groups.io <mguill1224@...> wrote:


Looking for Funaro & Camarlengo 6660 NYC steel gondola.  Hugh T Guillaume mguill1224 at aol dot com


Re: HO kit wanted

nyc3001 .
 

I called F&C two years ago about the rebuilt gon kits, but Sharon told me that they were not available anymore; however, the kits may be rerun in the future. They seem to come up on eBay every once in a while. If someone is willing to sell me one or more of the Sunshine 67.29 or 67.30 USRA NYC clone kits, I am willing to let one of my F&C kits go. I have one too many F&C rebuilt gon kits, but converting a rebuilt car to a clone seems somewhat feasible.

-Phil

On Wed, Oct 7, 2020 at 6:24 PM Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...> wrote:
Hugh,

This car is still listed in F&C's online catalog: http://fandckits.com/HOFreight/6600.html . This is with a one-piece body.

This car used to be in the bagged flat kit line (I have one), but I don't see those low-priced kits on their web site. They were still listed on the last flyer I got from F&C, but that was some time ago. You could always contact them for availability.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Wed, Oct 7, 2020 at 4:11 PM Hugh Guillaume via groups.io <mguill1224=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
Looking for Funaro & Camarlengo 6660 NYC steel gondola.  Hugh T Guillaume mguill1224 at aol dot com


Re: Retractable Brake Staffs on Flat Cars - An Operational Question

Nelson Moyer
 

Thanks Elden and Ed for the drop-down hand brake information. All of my loads so far would not interfere with or threaten the brake staffs, so I guess modeling the staff raised is acceptable. If I do a pole or lumber load, I’ll model the staff in the lowered position, assuming the prototype car had a drop-down hand brake.

 

Nelson

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2020 12:27 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io; RealSTMFC@groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Retractable Brake Staffs on Flat Cars - An Operational Question

 

Nelson;

 

Every RR may have done it differently, but when they started encountering problems with loads interfering with brake staffs/wheels, some RRs came up with the idea of removable, or in some cases, pivoting brake assemblies (think USRA gon).  Obviously in the case of temporarily removable brake staffs, you couldn’t set the brakes, so you had to couple to other cars, in a string, to have brakes.  The pivoting brake was designed to be used pivoted, although in practice this may have been problematic (the take up spool was 90 degrees off).

 

Retracting brake shaft/wheel assemblies were another way.  The idea was to drop the staff and wheel down out of the way of an interfering load.  There was a spring loaded button in the cases I know of, that you pressed to release the staff from its high position.  The staff had to be somewhat shorter to not drop into the roadbed or rail (crossovers).

 

If, for instance, you had a flat with a load that interfered with the brake staff/wheel, you dropped it for the duration.  Otherwise, maybe just during loading/unloading.  LOTS of brake staffs were bent during loading, or by shifted loads.

 

Sometimes forgetful crew left the wheel down, and those folks setting the brake had to lift it up to do so.

 

The attached shots of PRR F49 show it in high and lowered positions.  Note how close the staff is to roadbed in the last photo

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Nelson Moyer
Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2020 12:57 PM
To: RealSTMFC@groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Retractable Brake Staffs on Flat Cars - An Operational Question

 

I don’t recall seeing prototype or model photos of loaded or empty flat cars with the brake staffs in the retracted position during operation. What was prototype practice for retractable hand brakes? Were they lowered only during loading and unloading?

 

Nelson Moyer


Re: HO kit wanted

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

Hugh,

This car is still listed in F&C's online catalog: http://fandckits.com/HOFreight/6600.html . This is with a one-piece body.

This car used to be in the bagged flat kit line (I have one), but I don't see those low-priced kits on their web site. They were still listed on the last flyer I got from F&C, but that was some time ago. You could always contact them for availability.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆


On Wed, Oct 7, 2020 at 4:11 PM Hugh Guillaume via groups.io <mguill1224=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
Looking for Funaro & Camarlengo 6660 NYC steel gondola.  Hugh T Guillaume mguill1224 at aol dot com


Re: Photo: Big Four Boxcar (1906)

Eric Hansmann
 

There are actually three NYC&HR boxcars in the image with three different lettering styles. The car with the NYCL oval might have been the one most recently shopped with the newest lettering presentation.

 

I’m surprised no one has mentioned the left-opening doors on three of the six boxcars in the photo. It was a common feature in this era.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kenneth Montero
Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2020 2:32 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Big Four Boxcar (1906)

 

To the right of the Big Four boxcar are two very different New York Central and Hudson River boxcars - very different sizes, lettering schemes, trucks.

 

Ken Montero

On 10/07/2020 12:19 PM Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:

 

 

Photo: Big Four Boxcar (1906)

A photo from the Historic Pittsburgh website:

https://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3A8223.336.RR/viewer

Scroll on the photo to enlarge it.

PRR Boxcar 13801 and other boxcars also seen.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Photo: Big Four Boxcar (1906)

Benjamin Hom
 

Schuyler Larrabee wrote:
"I find the “reporting marks” on the first car interesting:
'PENNA. CO.'"

This indicates a car assigned to Lines West of Pittsburgh, which were operated by a separate holding company from PRR between 1870 and 1920.  Think of it as something akin to the Eastern and Western Roman Empires.


Ben Hom


HO kit wanted

 

Looking for Funaro & Camarlengo 6660 NYC steel gondola.  Hugh T Guillaume mguill1224 at aol dot com


Re: Retractable Brake Staffs on Flat Cars - An Operational Question

Mont Switzer
 

And of course there were the piggy back flat cars that were loaded circus style.  A bridge plates would most likely lay right over the vertical hand brake after it was retracted.  Another reason that made side loading with cranes more efficient. but that was not common in our era.

 

Mont Switzer


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] on behalf of Gatwood, Elden J SAD [elden.j.gatwood@...]
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2020 1:26 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io; RealSTMFC@groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Retractable Brake Staffs on Flat Cars - An Operational Question

Nelson;

 

Every RR may have done it differently, but when they started encountering problems with loads interfering with brake staffs/wheels, some RRs came up with the idea of removable, or in some cases, pivoting brake assemblies (think USRA gon).  Obviously in the case of temporarily removable brake staffs, you couldn’t set the brakes, so you had to couple to other cars, in a string, to have brakes.  The pivoting brake was designed to be used pivoted, although in practice this may have been problematic (the take up spool was 90 degrees off).

 

Retracting brake shaft/wheel assemblies were another way.  The idea was to drop the staff and wheel down out of the way of an interfering load.  There was a spring loaded button in the cases I know of, that you pressed to release the staff from its high position.  The staff had to be somewhat shorter to not drop into the roadbed or rail (crossovers).

 

If, for instance, you had a flat with a load that interfered with the brake staff/wheel, you dropped it for the duration.  Otherwise, maybe just during loading/unloading.  LOTS of brake staffs were bent during loading, or by shifted loads.

 

Sometimes forgetful crew left the wheel down, and those folks setting the brake had to lift it up to do so.

 

The attached shots of PRR F49 show it in high and lowered positions.  Note how close the staff is to roadbed in the last photo

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Nelson Moyer
Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2020 12:57 PM
To: RealSTMFC@groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Retractable Brake Staffs on Flat Cars - An Operational Question

 

I don’t recall seeing prototype or model photos of loaded or empty flat cars with the brake staffs in the retracted position during operation. What was prototype practice for retractable hand brakes? Were they lowered only during loading and unloading?

 

Nelson Moyer

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Re: Retractable Brake Staffs on Flat Cars - An Operational Question

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Guys;

 

During the conversions of F30A and F30D to TT service, they put in long ramps to join the cars so they could roll the trailers off, elephant-style.  In doing so, they had to cut into the decks of the cars to allow the drop brake installation, so as not to catch on truck/trailer u/f’s.  I do not have good data or pics of the conversion, unfortunately, but you can see part of it in this pic.

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2020 1:27 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io; RealSTMFC@groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Retractable Brake Staffs on Flat Cars - An Operational Question

 

Nelson;

 

Every RR may have done it differently, but when they started encountering problems with loads interfering with brake staffs/wheels, some RRs came up with the idea of removable, or in some cases, pivoting brake assemblies (think USRA gon).  Obviously in the case of temporarily removable brake staffs, you couldn’t set the brakes, so you had to couple to other cars, in a string, to have brakes.  The pivoting brake was designed to be used pivoted, although in practice this may have been problematic (the take up spool was 90 degrees off).

 

Retracting brake shaft/wheel assemblies were another way.  The idea was to drop the staff and wheel down out of the way of an interfering load.  There was a spring loaded button in the cases I know of, that you pressed to release the staff from its high position.  The staff had to be somewhat shorter to not drop into the roadbed or rail (crossovers).

 

If, for instance, you had a flat with a load that interfered with the brake staff/wheel, you dropped it for the duration.  Otherwise, maybe just during loading/unloading.  LOTS of brake staffs were bent during loading, or by shifted loads.

 

Sometimes forgetful crew left the wheel down, and those folks setting the brake had to lift it up to do so.

 

The attached shots of PRR F49 show it in high and lowered positions.  Note how close the staff is to roadbed in the last photo

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Nelson Moyer
Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2020 12:57 PM
To: RealSTMFC@groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Retractable Brake Staffs on Flat Cars - An Operational Question

 

I don’t recall seeing prototype or model photos of loaded or empty flat cars with the brake staffs in the retracted position during operation. What was prototype practice for retractable hand brakes? Were they lowered only during loading and unloading?

 

Nelson Moyer


Re: Photo: Big Four Boxcar (1906)

Schuyler Larrabee
 

I find the “reporting marks” on the first car interesting:

 

“PENNA. CO.

 

Schuyler

 

On 10/07/2020 12:19 PM Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:

 

 

Photo: Big Four Boxcar (1906)

A photo from the Historic Pittsburgh website:

https://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3A8223.336.RR/viewer

Scroll on the photo to enlarge it.

PRR Boxcar 13801 and other boxcars also seen.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

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