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Re: Those FDEX Refrigerator Cars
Robert Heninger
Probably a yellow flannel shirt, Pierre. After all, you're a pretty good egg!
Regards, Bob Heninger Minot, ND
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Sunshine SF stock cars and air brush for sale
Jared Harper
I have three Sunshine Santa Fe stock car kits for sale: 56.2 Sk-R w/early modified ends, 56.3 Sk-R single deck w/small doors, 56.5 Sk-T two toe hold ends. $36 ea. pp. Also, New Pasche single action external mix airbrush H set. $20 pp. Respond off list. Jared Harper 420 Woodward Way Athens, GA 30606
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Re: Those FDEX Refrigerator Cars
Bill Keene <wakeene@...>
Hello Group, In the days before refrigeration on ocean liners -- about a century or more ago -- eggs were rubbed with butter to keep them fresh. Perhaps this is what a "dressed egg" might be? Cheers, Bill Keene Irvine, Ca
On May 21, 2017, at 2:54 PM, Pierre Oliver pierre.oliver@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
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Re: Those FDEX Refrigerator Cars
Pierre Oliver
Ok, I gotta ask, Pierre Oliver www.elgincarshops.com www.yarmouthmodelworks.com On 5/21/17 5:36 PM,
thecitrusbelt@... [STMFC] wrote:
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Those FDEX Refrigerator Cars
thecitrusbelt@...
According to the data I found on the Canada Southern Railway site (see message post No. 150111 from earlier today), FDEX refrigerator cars were documented as follows:
Road Number Weight Contents
FDEX 7022 12 tons Asparagus
FDEX 7055 18 tons Dressed eggs
FDEX 7055 5 tons Merchandise
FDEX 9267 N/A Empty
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA
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Car Counts & Other Data
thecitrusbelt@...
I came across an amazing documentation of train consists on Terry Link's Canada Southern Railway ( http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/home.htm ).
He documented the New York Central's Toledo-Lake Divisions freight train consists, sampling 641 consists and 46,264 freight cars covering 356 companies. The years covered are 1929 to 1948. Here is the consist list:
http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/freight-consists-toledo.htm
Details for each consist can be seen by clicking on the individual consist listing.
More amazingly, he recorded for all 46,000-plus freight cars the individual car numbers, weight of contents, contents, where each car was taken from, where each car was left, the destination or interchange point, and the date in a master file sorted by reporting marks.
This information is accessible from the second link above.
Has anyone had a look at this material before?
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA
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Re: PRR R6- Express Refrigerator Car - T rucks
Kenneth Montero
Dear Jack,
Thank you for the additional information about the differences in the two types of trucks, and the explanation of part of the truck classification system. Sincerely, Ken Montero
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Re: PRR R6- Express Refrigerator Car - T rucks
Kenneth Montero
Dear Bruce,
Thank you for the additional information. I greatly appreciated learning how these cars were used. I may have been too quick to assume that the info about the 2D3P1 truck that I found was limited to B-60 cars, as I alluded in my email to Steve Hoxie. At least there are now several additional possible trucks that can be used with this model. Time to go forward with this model. Sincerely, Ken Montero
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Re: PRR R6- Express Refrigerator Car - T rucks
Kenneth Montero
Steve,
Thank you very much for your response. After reading your response, I re-checked my information from Garrett Spears' site. I misread the card that showed up when scanning Garrett Spears' site - the card for the 2D3P1 truck clearly referred to a B-60 car, not an R-60 car. Thank you for getting me back on track, so to speak. After you wrote, Bruce Smith sent a response that should answer my inquiry. Thank you for the additional source of PRR railfans for such inquiries. Ken Montero
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Re: Different loads?
Bill Keene <wakeene@...>
Clark,
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Sounds like a good reason for a couple of depressed center flat cars. 😜 Cheers, Bill Keene Irvine, CA
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Re: Is there a railroad bridges group?
roy wojahn
I don't know of a group, but you might enjoy this website: Roy Wojahn
On Sunday, May 21, 2017 8:09 AM, "Al Kresse water.kresse@... [STMFC]" wrote: Folks, Is ther a railroad bridges group? I am looking for Pere Marquette Rr/Rwy bridge images for a future project. Thanks, Al Kresse
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Different loads?
Clark Propst
I was reading through some M&StL employee news letters and saw a blurb
saying a pet food company had bought a canning factory on the line I model. Said
they were going to ship in whale meat from Canada and New England.
Clark
Propst
Mason City Iowa
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Re: Schnabel Car article
S. Busch
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Richard,
Did anyone ever send you a copy of this? If not, I will be happy to
send one along to you, off list.
Regards,
Steve Busch
Dubcan, SC
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Re: PRR R60 Express Refrigerator Car - T rucks
Jack Mullen
Bruce,
I'm confused by the part of your response saying "...2D5P1 trucks (aka 2D-P1, since the "-" in the nomenclature refers to the standard "5"). " The 2D5P1 and 2D-P1 diagrams on Rob's PRR railfan site depict very different truck designs: http://prr.railfan.net/diagrams/PRRdiagrams.html?diag=2D5P1-44846.gif&;sel=ptk&sz=sm&fr= http://prr.railfan.net/diagrams/PRRdiagrams.html?diag=2D-P1-.gif&;sel=ptk&sz=sm&fr= My understanding is that the middle digit, when present, denotes a NON- standard axle. In this case it appears to denote a 5-1/2" x 11" journal instead of the AAR D axle 5-1/2" x 10". The PRR truck class system is straightforward and rational except for the ones with a middle digit instead of a dash. I guess when you're the Standard Railroad it gets tough having to standardize the non-standard. <G> Jack Mullen
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Re: DO NOT HUMP: FGEX Double Deck Refrigerator
Jason Kliewer
Jason Kliewer Colorado Springs, CO
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Re: BLI 6,000 gal. tank car
Richard Townsend
Looking through my ORERs for BCX, I see that in Jan '38 they reported having 34 tank cars, including #1121, which was described as "Gond., Coal Compt. Tank" with a capacity of 1,000 gallons. I wonder what that car looked like. They also showed 187 box cars and gondolas. Some of the box cars were listed as roofless, some of the gons as coke cars and some others as coal cars.
In January 1943 all but the tank cars are gone, and there were only 22 of them. Alas, #1121 was gone.
In October 1952 they had 15 tank cars, and in July 1956 they has 14 tank cars.
In all cases the tank cars were of varying capacities.
Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR
-----Original Message----- From: riverman_vt@... [STMFC] To: STMFC Sent: Sun, May 21, 2017 4:59 am Subject: Re: [STMFC] BLI 6,000 gal. tank car ---In STMFC@..., <hawk0621@...> wrote : On May 20, 2017, at 11:00 AM, Don Valentine riverman_vt@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
The Brown Co. car, however, I am certain of Don,
The Brown Co. received the following three 6,000-gal., ICC-105A300, Type 27 tank cars from ACF.
Lot 738, BCX 1128, built 11-28
Lot 981, BCX 1129, built 8-29
Lot 1188, BCX 1130, built 10-30
BCX also purchased from ACF nine 3,000-gallon chlorine tank cars.
Lot 9635, BCX 1104-1105, built 11-23 (ARA V)
Lot 568, BCX 1122-1126, built 2-28 (ICC-105A300)
Lot 2476
, BCX 1104-1105, built 1-43 (ICC-105A300)
Note the lot 2476 cars used the same numbers as cars built in 11-23. The lot 2476 cars were built new but with old customer-furnished trucks that ACF reconditioned.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins
Thanks for that additional information Ed. My problem with the Brown Co., as anyone who ever viewed the variety of rolling stock sitting in their former yard north of the plant in Berlin knows, is that there never seemed to be two cars that were alike until they acquired a batch of incentive per diem cars in the late
1970's, IIRC, for their Berlin Mills Rwy. The Brown Co. itself updated its listing in the ORER's in July 1947 and that update held at least through April 1948 as I have the ORER's for bo
th months. Most cars are listed as AAR Mech. Design Type TPI but I have yet to figure out what the suffix "I" denotes when attached to the more normal Type TP applying to normal ICC-105A300 cars. Car #1119 was designated as Type TMU with the notation that it was an "addition". It was also a 100,000 lb. capacity car, as were #1133-#1135 also Type TMU. The TMU cars are surprising in that I have never seen photos of such cars in New England.
This all begs the question about #1128 - #1130, all built in the two years between 11-1928 and 10-1930. Were these cars really all alike or were changes made as time progressed? Needless to state, if they were all alike
I will be after BLI's Bob Grubba to offer #1128
and #1129 to go along with the available #1130. The reason I wonder about possible differences is due to the variation in water capacity by lbs. for each of the three cars.
Again no two were alike as for #1128 it was 48606, #1129 was 48084 and #1130 was 48215. Not a huge variance but a variance none-the-less. But the July 1959 ORER at least shows #1129 and #1130 as having a capacity of 5,798 gals., information that is not provided in the earlier ORER's. #1128 was off the roster by that date. The only older cars still on the roster in July 1959 were the #1104 and #1105, which you note were new cars utilizing old car numbers and rebuilt trucks. Their capacity was only 3,086 gals. All of these cars mentioned were only 60,000 lbs. capacity with the exception of the odd ball #1119 and #1127, another odd
ball with only a 5,000 gal. capacity but with trucks rated for 8
0,000 lbs. Hopefully that nominal 6,000 gal. capacity (actual 5,798) indicates that #1128 - #1130 were all alike so two more cars are a possibility.
Again my thanks for your assistance. Hopefully what I have added will be of some value to others interested
in these cars.
Cordially, Don Valentine
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Re: PRR R60 Express Refrigerator Car - T rucks
The 5730 was the last one on the roster and was equipped with 2D5P1 trucks (aka 2D-P1, since the "-" in the nomenclature refers to the standard "5"). These cars appear to have been built with 2D3P1 trucks and then upgraded to the 2D5P1 trucks. Apparently at some point car 5721 received 2D3P3 trucks. It is not clear if they were a replacement or original and if at some time they were replaced.
The 36 cars (5701-5736) in this class were typically assigned to hauling fish, and would be unlikely to be seen in general service as they had two refrigerated compartments and a central access compartment. http://prr.railfan.net/diagrams/PRRdiagrams.html?diag=R60_fp-.gif&sel=reefpas&sz=sm&fr=
These cars were seen nationwide, but as a tiny part of the express rear fleet would be rarely sighted except on regular runs to which they were assigned.
Regards Bruce Smith from "MDT" (Harrisburg Int Airport), on my way home from the PRRT&HS meeting!
From: STMFC@... on behalf of va661midlo@... [STMFC]
Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2017 8:08 AM To: STMFC@... Subject: Re: [STMFC] PRR R6- Express Refrigerator Car - T rucks Dear colleague, Walthers made the PRR R50b express refrigerator car, which is quite a different car. Walthers also made the PRR B60b baggage car, which also is quite a different car. The similarity in car type numbers makes it "interesting" when searching for information about the R60 express refrigerator car, of which PRR only had 36 of them. PRR had hundreds of the other two cars. Initially, I made the same assumption that you did. I suspect that my best hope is to find that at least one of the R60 cars got re-trucked with a more common PRR truck. The 2D3P1 truck may be unique to the R60 car. Ken Montero
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Re: Is there a railroad bridges group?
Al Kresse <water.kresse@...>
Folks, Is ther a railroad bridges group? I am looking for Pere Marquette Rr/Rwy bridge images for a future project. Thanks, Al Kresse
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Re: PRR R6- Express Refrigerator Car - T rucks
pennsylvania1954
Hi Ken--You have asked this while many of the PRR folks are away at our annual meeting. Sadly, I am not. You may expect some more traffic on your question later today and tomorrow as they catch up with their mail.
First, I suggest you ask this question over on https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/PRR-Modeling/ to reach the most knowledgeable. Trucks: I have very little info about the R60. Based on your assertion that the original trucks were 2D3P1, here is a diagram of this truck: http://prr.railfan.net/diagrams/PRRdiagrams.html?diag=2D3P1-24826.gif&sel=ptk&sz=sm&fr= Note that these are different than the 2D-P3 shown at the link in your original message. The 2D-P3 was used also on many B60b baggage cars. It is a modified version of the truck found on the vast majority of tenders used with the K4 Pacific. Although this is speculation, if any of the cars were re-trucked, the most likely new truck would be the 2D-P5, modeled by Walthers for the R50b and B60b and currently available separately. Of course, all these cars would have been found carrying freight in freight trains within the time frame of this list. Steve Hoxie Pensacola FL
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Re: PRR R6- Express Refrigerator Car - T rucks
Kenneth Montero
Dear colleague,
Walthers made the PRR R50b express refrigerator car, which is quite a different car. Walthers also made the PRR B60b baggage car, which also is quite a different car. The similarity in car type numbers makes it "interesting" when searching for information about the R60 express refrigerator car, of which PRR only had 36 of them. PRR had hundreds of the other two cars. Initially, I made the same assumption that you did. I suspect that my best hope is to find that at least one of the R60 cars got re-trucked with a more common PRR truck. The 2D3P1 truck may be unique to the R60 car. Ken Montero
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