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Re: PRR R6- Express Refrigerator Car - Trucks
"markstation01@yahoo.com <markstation01@...>
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Re: BLI 6,000 gal. tank car
Tony Thompson
Don Valentine wrote:
Tony Thompson
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Re: Automobile Engine Unloading
riverman_vt@...
---In STMFC@..., <thecitrusbelt@...> wrote : These 1958 photos just make it into the group's era. Captions state the engines are being unloaded at a Lincoln-Mercury plant. The source of the photos was Merge Studios in Los Angeles so the location probably is Southern California.
Ford operated a plant in Pico Rivera (1957-1980), a suburb southeast of Los Angeles, served by the Santa Fe. I am unaware of another Ford plant in the area other than Ford's Long Beach plant, which closed in 1959.
http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibris/aleph/a21_1/apache_media/T8DTUN8QLI1G6QA3P7QX182MBV1MEN.jpg
http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibris/aleph/a21_1/apache_media/PRLBRXSE4YTD94GAMBGA7F4JXI2EUK.jpg
http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibris/aleph/a21_1/apache_media/YGB2KC52ILVK3EVGQJSREA12E91V8H.jpg
Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA Interesting photos, Bob. Thanks for posting them. The DT&I 50 ft. auto-boxes must have been nearly new in 1958 as well. Richard Hendrickson provided information on what must have been the previous type of cars used to transport competed motors at least for Ford. These were basically a car very similar in construction to a USRA single sheathed cars from the Grand Truck Western's car fleet but having 1 1/2 doors. It was Richard's article years ago that prompted New England Rail Service to introduce the #1000 1/2 door molded add-on kit through its Standard Car Co. div. for freight car parts. The kits make it very easy to modify Accurail's #4000 series HO models of the USRA style cars into models of the prototype GTW cars. These cars were the subject of my hands-on clinic at last years New England Prototype Modelers Meet, which is coming up again in two weeks on 2-4 June. Cordially, Don Valentine
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Re: BLI 6,000 gal. tank car
riverman_vt@...
---In STMFC@..., <hawk0621@...> wrote : On May 20, 2017, at 11:00 AM, Don Valentine riverman_vt@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote: The Brown Co. car, however, I am certain of Don, The Brown Co. received the following three 6,000-gal., ICC-105A300, Type 27 tank cars from ACF. Lot 738, BCX 1128, built 11-28 Lot 981, BCX 1129, built 8-29 Lot 1188, BCX 1130, built 10-30 BCX also purchased from ACF nine 3,000-gallon chlorine tank cars. Lot 9635, BCX 1104-1105, built 11-23 (ARA V) Lot 568, BCX 1122-1126, built 2-28 (ICC-105A300) Lot 2476, BCX 1104-1105, built 1-43 (ICC-105A300) Note the lot 2476 cars used the same numbers as cars built in 11-23. The lot 2476 cars were built new but with old customer-furnished trucks that ACF reconditioned. Regards, Ed Hawkins Thanks for that additional information Ed. My problem with the Brown Co., as anyone who ever viewed the variety of rolling stock sitting in their former yard north of the plant in Berlin knows, is that there never seemed to be two cars that were alike until they acquired a batch of incentive per diem cars in the late 1970's, IIRC, for their Berlin Mills Rwy. The Brown Co. itself updated its listing in the ORER's in July 1947 and that update held at least through April 1948 as I have the ORER's for both months. Most cars are listed as AAR Mech. Design Type TPI but I have yet to figure out what the suffix "I" denotes when attached to the more normal Type TP applying to normal ICC-105A300 cars. Car #1119 was designated as Type TMU with the notation that it was an "addition". It was also a 100,000 lb. capacity car, as were #1133-#1135 also Type TMU. The TMU cars are surprising in that I have never seen photos of such cars in New England. This all begs the question about #1128 - #1130, all built in the two years between 11-1928 and 10-1930. Were these cars really all alike or were changes made as time progressed? Needless to state, if they were all alike I will be after BLI's Bob Grubba to offer #1128 and #1129 to go along with the available #1130. The reason I wonder about possible differences is due to the variation in water capacity by lbs. for each of the three cars. Again no two were alike as for #1128 it was 48606, #1129 was 48084 and #1130 was 48215. Not a huge variance but a variance none-the-less. But the July 1959 ORER at least shows #1129 and #1130 as having a capacity of 5,798 gals., information that is not provided in the earlier ORER's. #1128 was off the roster by that date. The only older cars still on the roster in July 1959 were the #1104 and #1105, which you note were new cars utilizing old car numbers and rebuilt trucks. Their capacity was only 3,086 gals. All of these cars mentioned were only 60,000 lbs. capacity with the exception of the odd ball #1119 and #1127, another odd ball with only a 5,000 gal. capacity but with trucks rated for 80,000 lbs. Hopefully that nominal 6,000 gal. capacity (actual 5,798) indicates that #1128 - #1130 were all alike so two more cars are a possibility. Again my thanks for your assistance. Hopefully what I have added will be of some value to others interested in these cars. Cordially, Don Valentine
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Re: Automobile Engine Unloading (L.A. Area Plants)
Paul Doggett <paul.doggett2472@...>
Thanks Bob that's my excuse for all my Automobile boxcars.
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Re: DO NOT HUMP: FGEX Double Deck Refrigerator
Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
Friends, The car is FDEX 9163, part of series 9050-9249, 58 cars in my October 1958 ORER. The series is covered by note "X", which refers to stage icing. There apparently were exceptions called out, but that page is missing from my copy of the ORER. There are no other notes on commodity assignment or other special equipment. Maybe Bill Welch can comment on the term "Double Deck". Could this just refer to the stage icing feature? I can't envision how the interior could be set up with two floors or something like that in the cargo compartment. Yours Aye,
Garth Groff
On 5/20/17 8:57 PM, 'gary laakso'
vasa0vasa@... [STMFC] wrote:
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PRR R6- Express Refrigerator Car - Trucks
Kenneth Montero
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Re: film of interest
Ray Breyer
In case anyone wants to download and watch the film: Interestingly, the train and most of the vehicle footage is WWII stock film of stateside training, and features M10 Wolverines rather than M4 Shermans or M24 Chaffees (which were usually used in 1950s monster movies). I'd love to know were the original footage went. Ray Breyer Elgin, IL
From: "Bob Miller cajonpass02@... [STMFC]" To: STMFC@... Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2017 7:47 PM Subject: Re: [STMFC] film of interest That's a blast from the past. I remember seeing that movie! I would have been 6 that year.
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Re: DO NOT HUMP: FGEX Double Deck Refrigerator
rwitt_2000
Bill Welch when you can please take a look at this photo ... to my eye the underframe for this FDEX reefer is from a former PRR R7.
Were these rebuilds on the former PRR R7 underframes random or were there specific rebuilding programs? Bob Witt
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Re: Lehigh wrong way door boxcar paint color.
Scott
Thank you Chuck!
I ran to the hobby store and you are absolutely correct on the paint mix. I think that will be the winner. I have to admit when I mixed it for a test paint it was really pink but when it dried out it looks great. I have three more wrong way kits (long story) so it will give me a chance to try different weathering. Thanks Scott McDonald
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Re: DO NOT HUMP: FGEX Double Deck Refrigerator
Todd Sullivan
Might be loaded with Campbell Soup in cans. I know the Campbell's plant in Camden, NJ shipped lots of canned soup in FGEX reefers. Another possibility is beer in bottles. Or maybe eggs, as you suggested.
Todd Sullivan
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DO NOT HUMP: FGEX Double Deck Refrigerator
gary laakso
Here is a picture of a double deck FGEX reefer with very prominent DO NOT HUMP placards and its placed behind the UP F-3 diesels.
https://donstrack.smugmug.com/UtahRails/Emil-Albrecht-Photos/1948-Jan-Salt-Lake-City/i-WJhZ5dt/A
Why would a refrigerator be so placarded? Likely hauling eggs? I have not seen many such placarded reefers.
Gary Laakso south of Mike Brock
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Re: film of interest
Robert J Miller CFA
That's a blast from the past. I remember seeing that movie! I would have been 6 that year.
On May 20, 2017, at 8:34 PM, 'Al Westerfield' westerfieldalfred@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
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film of interest
To all – The syfy film
Invaders From Mars (1953) has an extended sequence of loading tanks, armored
vehicles and jeeps on flat cars, the train in motion plus a troop train. – Al
Westerfield
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Re: Automobile Engine Unloading (L.A. Area Plants)
thecitrusbelt@...
Below is a list I compiled from various sources that I believe to be accurate. There may be a plant or two I have missed, however. Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA ++++
Southern California Automobile Assembly Plants
Chrysler Commerce, 1929-1971
Ford Pico Rivera, 1957-1980 Long Beach, 1930–1959
General Motors South Gate, 1936-1982 Van Nuys, 1947-1992
Kaiser Frazer Long Beach, 1947-1955?
Nash Motors El Segundo, 1948-1955
Studebaker Vernon, 1936-1956
Toyota (Truck Beds) Long Beach, 1972-2004
Willys-Overland Maywood 1928-1954
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Re: Automobile Engine Unloading
Didn't Willys (i.e. Jeep) have an assembly plant in the LA area? I vaguely recall hearing that with regard to some Santa Fe freight cars ... Tim O'Connor
These 1958 photos just make it into the group's era. Captions state the engines are being unloaded at a Lincoln-Mercury plant. The source of the photos was Merge Studios in Los Angeles so the location probably is Southern California. Ford operated a plant in Pico Rivera (1957-1980), a suburb southeast of Los Angeles, served by the Santa Fe. I am unaware of another Ford plant in the area other than Ford's Long Beach plant, which closed in 1959.
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Re: BLI 6,000 gal. tank car
Ed Hawkins
On May 20, 2017, at 11:00 AM, Don Valentine riverman_vt@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote: The Brown Co. car, however, I am certain of Don, The Brown Co. received the following three 6,000-gal., ICC-105A300, Type 27 tank cars from ACF. Lot 738, BCX 1128, built 11-28 Lot 981, BCX 1129, built 8-29 Lot 1188, BCX 1130, built 10-30 BCX also purchased from ACF nine 3,000-gallon chlorine tank cars. Lot 9635, BCX 1104-1105, built 11-23 (ARA V) Lot 568, BCX 1122-1126, built 2-28 (ICC-105A300) Lot 2476, BCX 1104-1105, built 1-43 (ICC-105A300) Note the lot 2476 cars used the same numbers as cars built in 11-23. The lot 2476 cars were built new but with old customer-furnished trucks that ACF reconditioned. Regards, Ed Hawkins
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Auxiliary Water Tender
hubert mask
I have two C&O Black water tenders left. Price 72. 00 includes shipping and handling.
Maskislanddecals.com Mask Island Decals Inc Hubert Mask
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Re: Automobile Engine Unloading
Al Kresse <water.kresse@...>
Great find! Al Kresse
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Automobile Engine Unloading
thecitrusbelt@...
These 1958 photos just make it into the group's era. Captions state the engines are being unloaded at a Lincoln-Mercury plant. The source of the photos was Merge Studios in Los Angeles so the location probably is Southern California.
Ford operated a plant in Pico Rivera (1957-1980), a suburb southeast of Los Angeles, served by the Santa Fe. I am unaware of another Ford plant in the area other than Ford's Long Beach plant, which closed in 1959.
http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibris/aleph/a21_1/apache_media/T8DTUN8QLI1G6QA3P7QX182MBV1MEN.jpg
http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibris/aleph/a21_1/apache_media/PRLBRXSE4YTD94GAMBGA7F4JXI2EUK.jpg
http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibris/aleph/a21_1/apache_media/YGB2KC52ILVK3EVGQJSREA12E91V8H.jpg
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA
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