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Re: Water Plugs

Patrick Wade
 

My best guess is that the bell shaped dome covers an overflow water outlet.

Pat Wade
Santa Barbara, CA

On Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 1:31 PM, thecitrusbelt@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

In several photos featuring water plugs I've noticed small structures on top of the plugs that resemble bells:

 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/19332568801/in/dateposted/

 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/19142211449/in/dateposted/

 

Are these bells or merely items that resemble bells?

 

Thanks.

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA



Re: General Electric Tank Car

Bill Welch
 

I see Five outlets. Although built by AC&F, it is not one of their underframes.

Bill Welch


Re: General Electric Tank Car

Eric Hansmann
 

Might this GE tank car carry granular material of some sort? I see three receptacles at the running board that might be used for unloading. I think the Barrett Company had some tank cars to haul granules, too.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 


From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 3:35 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] General Electric Tank Car

 




This car has a somewhat unusual arrangement of hatches(?) along the top of the tank. What are these if not hatches and what commodities would have been carried in such cars?

 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/24794887695/in/dateposted/

 

Thanks.

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA



General Electric Tank Car

thecitrusbelt@...
 

This car has a somewhat unusual arrangement of hatches(?) along the top of the tank. What are these if not hatches and what commodities would have been carried in such cars?

 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/24794887695/in/dateposted/

 

Thanks.

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Water Plugs

thecitrusbelt@...
 

In several photos featuring water plugs I've noticed small structures on top of the plugs that resemble bells:

 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/19332568801/in/dateposted/

 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/19142211449/in/dateposted/

 

Are these bells or merely items that resemble bells?

 

Thanks.

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: New York Central's "USRA" Steel Boxcar Roofs

John Barry
 

Thanks,  I needed to scroll down to see that.   Too new for me in 44 though.
 
John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736



From: "j.markwart@... [STMFC]"
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Thursday, July 6, 2017 6:17 AM
Subject: Aw: Re: [STMFC] New York Central's "USRA" Steel Boxcar Roofs

 
John,
 
tha car just in front of #120552 has a diagonal panel roof.
 
Johannes
 
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 06. Juli 2017 um 12:07 Uhr
Von: "John Barry northbaylines@... [STMFC]"
An: "STMFC@..."
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Ben,
 
I see lots of NYC cars, but didn't see any diagonal panels, did I miss something.
 
 
John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA
 
707-490-9696 
 
PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736

 

From: "Benjamin Hom b.hom@... [STMFC]"
To: "STMFC@..."
Sent: Wednesday, July 5, 2017 10:24 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] New York Central's "USRA" Steel Boxcar Roofs
 
 
 
Bill Welch asked:
"I know that many of the NYC's USRA cars received a rectangular panel roof to replace the original roof. Were any of these rebuilt with the Diagonal Panel roof?"

I wrote:
"Absolutely.  The Broadway Limited model represents these cars.  Here's proof of both roofs:
http://www.steamerafreightcars.com/gallery/shot%20of%20mo/shotofmonthmain.html

This time with direct link:


Ben Hom
 

 
 



Re: Chicagoland RPM Minikit - 2016

David Jobe, Sr.
 

Fortunately, the event booklet is in the Archive section of the web site.  Here is the direct link to the booklet; http://www.rpmconference.com/index.php/2016-rpm-program-complete/ .   The Mini-Kit is covered on pages 12 to 19 for both the HO and N scale versions. 

 

Save a copy and enjoy!

 

David Jobe, Sr.

Saint Ann, Missouri

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 7:38 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Chicagoland RPM Minikit - 2016

 




Bill,

IIRC, there were instructions for the 2016 RPM Chicagoland mini-kit in the last part of the event booklet. This was available as a PDF file on this site but I think it has been removed as the crew moves the 2017 event forward. 

There are a number of in-process images on the RPM Chicagoland forum. Here's a link to that thread.

http://www.rpmconference.com/forum/index.php?threads/2016-mini-kit-thread-b-o-m-15k.2/

 

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

On July 5, 2017 at 6:57 PM "William Darnaby wdarnaby@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:


Thanks, Bob fort the link and to the B&ORHS.  I really could have used this a month or so ago when I finally got around to building mine.  I could not find the alleged handout from the meet and relied on the Resin Car Works blog in addition to making it up as I went along.  I did notice that the diagram  in RPCyc 9 shows truck centers of 32 feet while the provided UF is at 31 feet and corrected that with 6 inches of styrene behind each bolster.  This is noticeable from the side as the truck centers should line up with the end side posts.  I also noticed that the striker distance should be 5 feet and corrected for that too.  YMMV as they say.

 

Bill Darnaby

 


From: "chapbob611@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...>
To: STMFC <STMFC@...>
Sent: Wednesday, July 5, 2017 7:37 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Chicagoland RPM Minikit - 2016

 

 

Registrants of the 2016 Chicagoland RPM were presented with an HO scale minikit of B&O's class M-15K wagontop boxcar. The kit is comprised of a Fox Valley Models class M-53 carbody (to be modified to the M-15k), Accurail fishbelly underframe, various details, and custom decals from Speedwitch Media. Summarized instructions were included, with various steps left to the modeler to figure out.

For modelers with this kit still unbuilt in their stash, the current issue of B&O Modeler (issue #44) includes thorough how-to coverage for building the model. B&O Modeler is available for download at BORHS.org.  

 

Regards,

Bob Chapman

 

 

 

 

 

Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN





FW: ADMIN: Restoration of Berriger Library photos

Mikebrock
 

Bill McGuire sent the following message which contains information regarding
assistance in restoring photos in the Berriger collection.

Mike Brock

From: Bill McGuire [mailto:bmcguire@mymts.net]
Sent: Wednesday, July 5, 2017 9:57 PM
To: brockm@cfl.rr.com
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Restoration of Berriger Library photos

HI Mike. I met Nick Fry the curator of the Barriger collection last Oct.
at Chicagoland where he made a presentation. I spoke to him about the CPR
and CNR photos. Many were reversed and many had no location. I sent a
message to the CPR sig forum and asked the members to send info to him
regarding the location and reversal of any negs that they spotted.
Several members sent in info which he used to update these negatives. I
think that the information that members of this group possess, would go a
long way in making these priceless photos even more valuable. Members should
contact Nick and I am sure the negs will be updated.
e-mail = fryn@umsl.edu
Regards, Bill McGuire


Re: [Non-DoD Source] PRR "Merchandise Service"

Tony Thompson
 

Jerry Michels  wrote:

 
 I do know that on the GN and the SP those special cars lasted less 
than 5 years - in terms of being used in any particular service. 
The paint jobs, of course, lasted much longer. 

    Not true for the SP. They had "merchandise" Overnight cars before WW II, a service suspended during the war, and re-started with the addition of new cars in 1946. The overnight package service continued until 1959, which, if my arithmetic is right, is more than five years.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history






Re: Photos From The Barriger Library: Cease & Desist?

richard glueck
 

Keep posting.  We never know enough.

Dick


On Wednesday, July 5, 2017 5:40 PM, "Brian Termunde GCRDS@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 
Bob,
While I don't look at even most of the links, I greatly value all of those that I do look at! You have, on occasion, posted them to multiple groups (such as the Citrus Group), and I am not bothered in the least by these 'duplicate' postings as they are ALL relevant to those groups and it makes sense to post on them.

There are a LOT of great photos on that site, and frankly, at this time, I really don't have the time to go through them, so you are doing me a GREAT favor by posting the links (I've looked at two so far today, and have saved others to look at later). And I've learned quite a bit, thank you very much.

Please, keep posting them, I too appreciate it. Mr. Hancock, very respectfully, might I suggest the delete key? I do use it quite a bit myself when the subject matter doesn't appeal to me, even though the topic is on topic.

Take Care,
 
Brian R. Termunde
Midvale, Utah


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Mr. Haycock does not speak for me. I appreciate the photos and discussions
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Even what I thought I knew can be reaffirmed or corrected.
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Re: Chicagoland RPM Minikit - 2016

Eric Hansmann
 

Bill,

IIRC, there were instructions for the 2016 RPM Chicagoland mini-kit in the last part of the event booklet. This was available as a PDF file on this site but I think it has been removed as the crew moves the 2017 event forward. 

There are a number of in-process images on the RPM Chicagoland forum. Here's a link to that thread.

http://www.rpmconference.com/forum/index.php?threads/2016-mini-kit-thread-b-o-m-15k.2/




Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN



On July 5, 2017 at 6:57 PM "William Darnaby wdarnaby@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:



Thanks, Bob fort the link and to the B&ORHS.  I really could have used this a month or so ago when I finally got around to building mine.  I could not find the alleged handout from the meet and relied on the Resin Car Works blog in addition to making it up as I went along.  I did notice that the diagram  in RPCyc 9 shows truck centers of 32 feet while the provided UF is at 31 feet and corrected that with 6 inches of styrene behind each bolster.  This is noticeable from the side as the truck centers should line up with the end side posts.  I also noticed that the striker distance should be 5 feet and corrected for that too.  YMMV as they say.

Bill Darnaby



From: "chapbob611@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...>
To: STMFC <STMFC@...>
Sent: Wednesday, July 5, 2017 7:37 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Chicagoland RPM Minikit - 2016



Registrants of the 2016 Chicagoland RPM were presented with an HO scale minikit of B&O's class M-15K wagontop boxcar. The kit is comprised of a Fox Valley Models class M-53 carbody (to be modified to the M-15k), Accurail fishbelly underframe, various details, and custom decals from Speedwitch Media. Summarized instructions were included, with various steps left to the modeler to figure out.
For modelers with this kit still unbuilt in their stash, the current issue of B&O Modeler (issue #44) includes thorough how-to coverage for building the model. B&O Modeler is available for download at BORHS.org.  
 
Regards,
Bob Chapman


 





Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN


Re: Chicagoland RPM Minikit - 2016

O Fenton Wells
 

Thanks Bob, I was lucky enough to receive one of the kits and have built it.  I'll check out the site to see how I did. 
 A fun kit and thanks to the people who thought it up and made it happen. 
Fenton


On Jul 5, 2017, at 8:37 PM, chapbob611@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

Registrants of the 2016 Chicagoland RPM were presented with an HO scale minikit of B&O's class M-15K wagontop boxcar. The kit is comprised of a Fox Valley Models class M-53 carbody (to be modified to the M-15k), Accurail fishbelly underframe, various details, and custom decals from Speedwitch Media. Summarized instructions were included, with various steps left to the modeler to figure out.
For modelers with this kit still unbuilt in their stash, the current issue of B&O Modeler (issue #44) includes thorough how-to coverage for building the model. B&O Modeler is available for download at BORHS.org.  
 
Regards,
Bob Chapman


Re: New York Central's "USRA" Steel Boxcar Roofs

Benjamin Hom
 


John Barry asked:
"I see lots of NYC cars, but didn't see any diagonal panels, did I miss something."

It's right under your nose.  First car in the cut on the left in the foreground.


Ben Hom



Re: New York Central's "USRA" Steel Boxcar Roofs

vapeurchapelon
 

John,
 
tha car just in front of #120552 has a diagonal panel roof.
 
Johannes
 
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 06. Juli 2017 um 12:07 Uhr
Von: "John Barry northbaylines@... [STMFC]"
An: "STMFC@..."
Betreff: Re: [STMFC] New York Central's "USRA" Steel Boxcar Roofs
 

 

Ben,
 
I see lots of NYC cars, but didn't see any diagonal panels, did I miss something.
 
 
John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA
 
707-490-9696 
 
PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736

 


From: "Benjamin Hom b.hom@... [STMFC]"
To: "STMFC@..."
Sent: Wednesday, July 5, 2017 10:24 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] New York Central's "USRA" Steel Boxcar Roofs
 
 
 
Bill Welch asked:
"I know that many of the NYC's USRA cars received a rectangular panel roof to replace the original roof. Were any of these rebuilt with the Diagonal Panel roof?"

I wrote:
"Absolutely.  The Broadway Limited model represents these cars.  Here's proof of both roofs:
http://www.steamerafreightcars.com/gallery/shot%20of%20mo/shotofmonthmain.html

This time with direct link:


Ben Hom
 

 

 


Re: New York Central's "USRA" Steel Boxcar Roofs

John Barry
 

Ben,

I see lots of NYC cars, but didn't see any diagonal panels, did I miss something.
 
John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736



From: "Benjamin Hom b.hom@... [STMFC]"
To: "STMFC@..."
Sent: Wednesday, July 5, 2017 10:24 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] New York Central's "USRA" Steel Boxcar Roofs

 
Bill Welch asked:
"I know that many of the NYC's USRA cars received a rectangular panel roof to replace the original roof. Were any of these rebuilt with the Diagonal Panel roof?"

I wrote:
"Absolutely.  The Broadway Limited model represents these cars.  Here's proof of both roofs:
http://www.steamerafreightcars.com/gallery/shot%20of%20mo/shotofmonthmain.html

This time with direct link:


Ben Hom



Re: New York Central's "USRA" Steel Boxcar Roofs

Benjamin Hom
 

Bill Welch asked:
"I know that many of the NYC's USRA cars received a rectangular panel roof to replace the original roof. Were any of these rebuilt with the Diagonal Panel roof?"

I wrote:
"Absolutely.  The Broadway Limited model represents these cars.  Here's proof of both roofs:
http://www.steamerafreightcars.com/gallery/shot%20of%20mo/shotofmonthmain.html

This time with direct link:


Ben Hom


Re: New York Central's "USRA" Steel Boxcar Roofs

Benjamin Hom
 

Bill Welch asked:
"I know that many of the NYC's USRA cars received a rectangular panel roof to replace the original roof. Were any of these rebuilt with the Diagonal Panel roof?"

Absolutely.  The Broadway Limited model represents these cars.  Here's proof of both roofs:


Ben Hom


Re: Equalized Trucks in HO

Matt Goodman
 

Hey Jim,

I came across springing knowledge in a different context, but I think it is applicable here.  An unwrapped coil spring is nothing more than a long rod.  The longer the rod, the easier it is to bend due to greater leverage.  When a spring is shortened, you’ve reduced the length of the lever, so it’s rate - the force required to bend it a given amount - increases. 

My guess - since cutting the spring solved the problem - is that the uncut spring was coil-binding. Coil binding occurs when a coil spring is compressed enough that all the coils come in contact with one another - becoming essentially a solid cylinder.  The cut spring would still expand enough to span the distance between the screw and truck bolster, but would have a lot more air between the coils.

Just a guess though!

Matt Goodman
Columbus, Ohio, US


On Jul 4, 2017, at 11:57 AM, jimbetz@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:



Matt,

  That's true ... but when the spring is considerably compressed then isn't it
the -distance- in the number of turns that comes in to play more than simply
the number turns?
  I do know this - when I cut the spring in half it created less pressure on the
truck which created less pressure on the bolster which made it a truck that
was more likely to rock/tilt on the bolster.
  Perhaps I just got lucky and hit that magic point where the spring is 
just right and it is only pressing on the truck+bolster joint when it is
significantly rocked ... *G* 
                                                                                                        - Jim B. 




New York Central's "USRA" Steel Boxcar Roofs

Bill Welch
 

I know that many of the NYC's USRA cars received a rectangular panel roof to replace the original roof. Were any of these rebuilt with the Diagonal Panel roof?

Bill Welch



Re: Flood of 1913 photos from Dayton Metro Library

Eric Hansmann
 

Thanks for the catch, Bob! I forgot to check the side sill. 

BTW, I found a B&O M-11 in another image with a neat C&O car, too. That may become a blog post.


Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro. TN




On July 5, 2017 at 2:35 PM "rwitt_2000@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:



Eric,

A nice find. Thank your fellow researchers.

I will add that with fishbelly side sills the B&O box car is most likely a M-13.

Bob Witt


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

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