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Re: Emery Boards (was Pan Pastels)

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Tim,

I use "feathered" toothpicks for fine detail painting on figures (especially for eyes). I shave mine down with emery boards, a very useful and rarely noticed tool. Emery boards are especially good for smoothing styrene. Styrene clogs files and is nearly impossible to clean from file teeth.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff


On 5/15/17 12:45 AM, Tim O'Connor timboconnor@... [STMFC] wrote:
 


Me too! Also various paint brushes, sometimes damp with either distilled
water, or alcohol. Or a flat toothpick which can be trimmed with a knife
to a sharp point or "feathered" with a file. Just about anything, really. :-)

Tim O'



Re: Application techniques for Pan Pastels

Tim O'Connor
 


Me too! Also various paint brushes, sometimes damp with either distilled
water, or alcohol. Or a flat toothpick which can be trimmed with a knife
to a sharp point or "feathered" with a file. Just about anything, really. :-)

Tim O'

-----------------

I've been applying them with Micro Brushes which provide a lot of control
since the brush head is so small.

Jack Burgess

-----------------


I know quite a few of you all have been using Pan Pastels for weathering.  I
finally bought a few basic colors and have been playing with them.  I
thought I'd ask what techniques people are using to apply them.

Schuyler


Re: Shell tank cars in the northeast

Steve and Barb Hile
 

Hi Brian,
 
You can always do one of the Shell RPX cars that became UTLX with the acquisition of the fleet.  Shell had a number of ACF type 21 8000 gallon cars.  See
 
 
for an example as the Shell car.  UTLX called the cars not built to their in-house designs Class Z and numbered their 8000 gallon Class Z cars without heaters (like the P2k car) in the range between 71000 and 78499, although not all these cars were ex-Shell or Type 21's.  However, Richard Hendrickson did a lot of consulting with Life Like on their P2k projects.  So, if you can find one already lettered UTLX, it is very probable that the number is correct.
 
Sunshine did both types of 8000 gallon X-3's which can be found on the resale market from time to time.  Resin Car Works may eventually reissue improved versions of these cars, but the Class Z 8000 gallon cars were also plentiful.
 
I hope this is helpful information.
 
Regards,
Steve Hile



From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2017 6:57 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Shell tank cars in the northeast

 

List,


Thanks to everyone that offered information.  It seems what I REALLY need is another UTLX tanker.  Now if someone would make with an 8K X-3....

Cheers,


Brian LaManna/Moncton, NB


From: STMFC@... on behalf of 'John Riddell' riddellj@... [STMFC]
Sent: May 14, 2017 11:44:34 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Shell tank cars in the northeast
 
 

In addition Shell Oil had 68 cars in reporting marks SCAX until 1956.
 
John Riddell


Re: Shell tank cars in the northeast

David
 

8k X-3s were fairly uncommon: 1,675 in two styles, versus 4,150 6k tanks and 12,349 10k tanks.

David Thompson


Re: Shell tank cars in the northeast

Brian LaManna
 

List,


Thanks to everyone that offered information.  It seems what I REALLY need is another UTLX tanker.  Now if someone would make with an 8K X-3....

Cheers,


Brian LaManna/Moncton, NB


From: STMFC@... on behalf of 'John Riddell' riddellj@... [STMFC] Sent: May 14, 2017 11:44:34 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Shell tank cars in the northeast
 
 

In addition Shell Oil had 68 cars in reporting marks SCAX until 1956.
 
John Riddell


Sunshine Models BREX plug door reefer

Andy Carlson
 

Hello-
I am offering for sale one Sunshine Models resin reefer kit. It is new, purchased in Naperville so no shipping labels, and it has never had its contents disturbed. I will ship it wrapped with kraft paper to keep the box clean.

Sunshine Models Kit #72.4   BREX Plug door reefer   1951, Indiana Harbor ends. HO Scale

Offered for $57, shipping by 1st class air mail included. I accept checks and money orders. With a small fee I also accept PayPal. Contact me off-list if interested @
Thanks,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


Re: Application techniques for Pan Pastels

Jack Burgess
 

I've been applying them with Micro Brushes which provide a lot of control
since the brush head is so small.



Jack Burgess



From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2017 1:54 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] Application techniques for Pan Pastels








To Steam Freight cars, of course.



I know quite a few of you all have been using Pan Pastels for weathering. I
finally bought a few basic colors and have been playing with them. I
thought I'd ask what techniques people are using to apply them.



Schuyler


Roommate at Collinsville, IL

Jared Harper
 

I  have a room reserved Thursday, June 22-Saturday June 25th at the Super8 in Collinsville, IL, next door to the Gateway Center during the St. Louis area RPM meet and need a roommate.  The shared cost will be $40 per night plus tax.  Contact me off list.

Jared Harper
Athens, GA


Re: Application techniques for Pan Pastels

A&Y Dave in MD
 

I have been applying the Pan Pastels primarily with a paintbrush, one dedicated to the Pan Pastels because they are different in consistency and application style than chalks (pastel chalk scraped with sandpaper or razor edge), weathering pigments (e.g., Bragdon, Doc O’Brien’s, MIG’s), or any paints/washes.

 

I’ve liked using two types—a big round soft brush that provides a general coating like dust and a short-bristled “deer foot” brush to stipple the coloring.  The latter looks just like a deer hoof in shape and the size depends upon the size of the effect you want to make.  You can use the foam brushes, but I find most of the “makeup applicators” tend to tear and fall off the plastic handles over time.  I discarded them for these couple of brushes and never looked back.

 

I learned the most about using these weathering materials by experimenting myself, but I got some really good tips from watching the car weathering videos by Mike Confalone on TrainMasters TV (pay for view site – buy access to stream all videos or buy DVDs).  Confalone loves using Pan Pastels and artists oils for most of his effects.  If you’ve ever seen articles on the Allagash Central, you’ll know his work is top notch.  His techniques are really well demonstrated (his series covered 4-5 freight cars and 2-3 diesels if I recall correctly).

 

I find that Confalone’s models are outside the era of this list, but the techniques have worked just as well in applying weathering to my steam era freight cars.  I just need to change the overall color effects because Depression era and earlier freight cars are weathered as much by the coal burning motive power as they are by the elements.  Look at Eric Hansmann’s blog for another example of using Pan Pastels for steam era freight cars.   http://designbuildop.hansmanns.org/

 

Dave Bott

 

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2017 4:54 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Application techniques for Pan Pastels

 

 

To Steam Freight cars, of course.

 

I know quite a few of you all have been using Pan Pastels for weathering.  I finally bought a few basic colors and have been playing with them.  I thought I’d ask what techniques people are using to apply them.

 

Schuyler

 


Interesting roof paint failures

Steve and Barb Hile
 

Slightly beyond our era, but the URTX reefers in this
 
 
exhibit significant roof paint failure.  Perhaps the ice and salt mixture used on meat reefers contributed to the "look".
 
Steve Hile


Re: Application techniques for Pan Pastels

Scott H. Haycock
 

Schuyler,

This link has several tutorials and tips to get you started:  http://weatheringtechniques.com/

Scott Haycock


 


To Steam Freight cars, of course.

 

I know quite a few of you all have been using Pan Pastels for weathering.  I finally bought a few basic colors and have been playing with them.  I thought I’d ask what techniques people are using to apply them.

 

Schuyler

 




Re: Application techniques for Pan Pastels

Brian Carlson
 

I bought a bunch of the foam applicator's for the different handles that Rob demonstrated at one of the earlier Naperville meets. I sometimes also just use regular paint brushes.

I try to vary the effect on different cars. 
Applying over a matte surface works best for me. 

Brian J. Carlson 

On May 14, 2017, at 4:54 PM, 'Schuyler Larrabee' schuyler.larrabee@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

To Steam Freight cars, of course.

 

I know quite a few of you all have been using Pan Pastels for weathering.  I finally bought a few basic colors and have been playing with them.  I thought I’d ask what techniques people are using to apply them.

 

Schuyler

 


Application techniques for Pan Pastels

Schuyler Larrabee
 

To Steam Freight cars, of course.

 

I know quite a few of you all have been using Pan Pastels for weathering.  I finally bought a few basic colors and have been playing with them.  I thought I’d ask what techniques people are using to apply them.

 

Schuyler

 


Re: Weathered Roof - PFE Reefer

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Interesting, Bob. I’d speculate that the dark area around the ribs is condensation. The ribs are exposed to the cold inside the reefer, and are comparatively cool on the exterior. Those two lovely beasts in front of the reefer are making a lot of hot humid air, and since they’re double-headed, I think this might be at the top of a grade, so the train’s not been moving along very fast, meaning the humid air hasn’t been blown away. That humidity is condensing on the ribs, like it would on your ice-cold beer on a hot humid day.



Beautiful shot, thanks for the link!



Schuyler




Subject: [STMFC] Weathered Roof - PFE Reefer





This is a link to a photo from the Center for Railroad Photography & Art:



<https://www.flickr.com/photos/railphotoart/25558915051/sizes/k/>; https://www.flickr.com/photos/railphotoart/25558915051/sizes/k/



Caption: "An eastbound Union Pacific freight train has just exited one of the Hermosa tunnels on Wyoming’s Sherman Hill on August 17, 1957. Road power is 4-8-8-4 “Big Boy” no. 4019, assisted by 4-8-4 no. 829 as a headend helper for the climb over the Continental Divide. Photograph by Wallace W. Abbey, © 2015, Center for Railroad Photography and Art. Abbey-04-031-10"



Notice the weathering pattern on the roof of the PFE reefer (I can't quite make out the car number), especially around the roof ribs.



Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA





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Weathered Roof - PFE Reefer

thecitrusbelt@...
 

This is a link to a photo from the Center for Railroad Photography & Art:

 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/railphotoart/25558915051/sizes/k/

 

Caption: "An eastbound Union Pacific freight train has just exited one of the Hermosa tunnels on Wyoming’s Sherman Hill on August 17, 1957. Road power is 4-8-8-4 “Big Boy” no. 4019, assisted by 4-8-4 no. 829 as a headend helper for the climb over the Continental Divide. Photograph by Wallace W. Abbey, © 2015, Center for Railroad Photography and Art. Abbey-04-031-10"

 

Notice the weathering pattern on the roof of the PFE reefer (I can't quite make out the car number), especially around the roof ribs.

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Shell tank cars in the northeast

John Riddell
 

In addition Shell Oil had 68 cars in reporting marks SCAX until 1956.
 
John Riddell


Re: Permanent Heaters—(BAR Insulated Boxcars)

Rich C
 

One thing I forgot is the kerosene fuel tank. I will have to search my stash for my F&C kit.

Rich Christie


On Saturday, May 13, 2017 1:57 PM, "Richard Townsend richtownsend@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 
The sides from the Accurail 8500 series reefer would work with sill tabs cut into the sill. New ends would be needed as the prototype (at least the BAR 2000 series) had 1R/2/4 ends. It looks like they could be cut down from Branchline 1R/3/4 ends. Obviously, a new roof would be needed as well. Diagonal panel with no ice hatches. Plans are in the July 1978 MR, page 84.
 
Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Rich C rhcdmc@... [STMFC]
To: STMFC
Sent: Sat, May 13, 2017 8:50 am
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Permanent Heaters—(BAR Insulated Boxcars)

 
Bob, At one time Funaro & Camerlengo offered a kit with both New Haven & BAR decals. The kit is long discontinued. However, one should be able to 'bash one with the aforementioned Shapeways parts along with the vents offered by Moloco.

Rich Christie


On Saturday, May 13, 2017 10:44 AM, "thecitrusbelt@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:


 
Does anyone make an accurate insulated boxcar to go with these heaters?

If not, what model would be a good starting point?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA





Re: Permanent Heaters—(BAR Insulated Boxcars)

Richard Townsend
 

The sides from the Accurail 8500 series reefer would work with sill tabs cut into the sill. New ends would be needed as the prototype (at least the BAR 2000 series) had 1R/2/4 ends. It looks like they could be cut down from Branchline 1R/3/4 ends. Obviously, a new roof would be needed as well. Diagonal panel with no ice hatches. Plans are in the July 1978 MR, page 84.
 
Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR
 
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Rich C rhcdmc@... [STMFC]
To: STMFC
Sent: Sat, May 13, 2017 8:50 am
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Permanent Heaters—(BAR Insulated Boxcars)

 
Bob, At one time Funaro & Camerlengo offered a kit with both New Haven & BAR decals. The kit is long discontinued. However, one should be able to 'bash one with the aforementioned Shapeways parts along with the vents offered by Moloco.

Rich Christie


On Saturday, May 13, 2017 10:44 AM, "thecitrusbelt@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:


 
Does anyone make an accurate insulated boxcar to go with these heaters?

If not, what model would be a good starting point?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA



Re: YMW's newest kit offering

Pierre Oliver
 

Progressing slowly, but progressing


Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com
On 5/13/17 2:44 PM, Daniel McConnachie mcconnachie.daniel@... [STMFC] wrote:

 
Does moving slowly mean they are available or that they are progressing slowly?

I know I'm in the market for a number of these cars.

Daniel.


On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 6:37 AM, Pierre Oliver pierre.oliver@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

12', 13'3"  & 13' 6"
S scale cars are moving very slowly

Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com
On 5/07/17 6:11 PM, Daniel McConnachie mcconnachie.daniel@... [STMFC] wrote:
 
This is great info, Pierre. I have a S Scale single door car that is a candidate for a double door conversion. What are the door sizes used on the three groups of cars.

Any news on the S Scale boxes you were working on?

Cheers, Daniel.

On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 3:09 PM, Pierre Oliver pierre.oliver@elgincarshops.com [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

Mike,

The kit covers off 3 variants of some 550 cars, with the option of 3 door sizes.
The following is cut from a history I got on these cars;

the January 1944 MP-14, where the 296800 series is not listed as being equipped with either AB brakes or cast steel frame trucks, so it may be assumed that, up to this point, these particular cars are still equipped with KC brakes and arch bar trucks. In the January 1950 MP-14, miscellaneous cars in series of several designs within the number range 296300-298047 have been equipped with steel frame trucks but none of the cars in the 296800 series are listed with AB brakes. The same holds true in the Jan. 1952 MP-14. Finally the last data point I examined is contained in the Dec. 1955 MP-14, which lists 759 steel frame double-door cars in the 4000-41045 series as having been equipped with AB brake systems. 

Take from that what you may

Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com
On 5/05/17 10:41 AM, Schleigh Mike mike_schleigh@... [STMFC] wrote:
 
This looks like another fine model, Pierre----

Is car series 296300-296599 (as depicted by model of 296390) the only applicable prototype?  I suspect not.  What were the dates of operation in revenue service?  Arch-bar trucks were likely replaced at some point; with what?

Thanks Pierre!!!

Regards from wet western Pennsylvania, Grove City----Mike Schleigh



From: "Pierre Oliver pierre.oliver@...m [STMFC]"
To: "STMFC@..."
Sent: Friday, May 5, 2017 6:31 AM
Subject: [STMFC] YMW's newest kit offering

 
The details for the newest kit from Yarmouth Model Works is now on my blog.
Online ordering will be available in June, right after the NERPM

http://elgincarshops.blogspot.ca/2017/05/and-here-it-is.html

--
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com







--
Daniel McConnachie




--
Daniel McConnachie


Re: YMW's newest kit offering

Daniel McConnachie
 

Does moving slowly mean they are available or that they are progressing slowly?

I know I'm in the market for a number of these cars.

Daniel.


On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 6:37 AM, Pierre Oliver pierre.oliver@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

12', 13'3"  & 13' 6"
S scale cars are moving very slowly

Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com
On 5/07/17 6:11 PM, Daniel McConnachie mcconnachie.daniel@... [STMFC] wrote:
 
This is great info, Pierre. I have a S Scale single door car that is a candidate for a double door conversion. What are the door sizes used on the three groups of cars.

Any news on the S Scale boxes you were working on?

Cheers, Daniel.

On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 3:09 PM, Pierre Oliver pierre.oliver@elgincarshops.com [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

Mike,

The kit covers off 3 variants of some 550 cars, with the option of 3 door sizes.
The following is cut from a history I got on these cars;

the January 1944 MP-14, where the 296800 series is not listed as being equipped with either AB brakes or cast steel frame trucks, so it may be assumed that, up to this point, these particular cars are still equipped with KC brakes and arch bar trucks. In the January 1950 MP-14, miscellaneous cars in series of several designs within the number range 296300-298047 have been equipped with steel frame trucks but none of the cars in the 296800 series are listed with AB brakes. The same holds true in the Jan. 1952 MP-14. Finally the last data point I examined is contained in the Dec. 1955 MP-14, which lists 759 steel frame double-door cars in the 4000-41045 series as having been equipped with AB brake systems. 

Take from that what you may

Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com
On 5/05/17 10:41 AM, Schleigh Mike mike_schleigh@... [STMFC] wrote:
 
This looks like another fine model, Pierre----

Is car series 296300-296599 (as depicted by model of 296390) the only applicable prototype?  I suspect not.  What were the dates of operation in revenue service?  Arch-bar trucks were likely replaced at some point; with what?

Thanks Pierre!!!

Regards from wet western Pennsylvania, Grove City----Mike Schleigh



From: "Pierre Oliver pierre.oliver@...m [STMFC]"
To: "STMFC@..."
Sent: Friday, May 5, 2017 6:31 AM
Subject: [STMFC] YMW's newest kit offering

 
The details for the newest kit from Yarmouth Model Works is now on my blog.
Online ordering will be available in June, right after the NERPM

http://elgincarshops.blogspot.ca/2017/05/and-here-it-is.html

--
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com







--
Daniel McConnachie




--
Daniel McConnachie

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