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Re: Can I modify a Type 21 underframe into Type 11?

Ian Cranstone
 

On 2017-05-22, at 8:03 PM, kemal_mumcu@... [STMFC] wrote:

 

Hi folks,
I'm about to start working on a Life Like 10 000k tank car kit that was obviously inspired by the following photo from Ian Cranstone's site Nakina.net

http://nakina.net/photos/bmmx/bmmx001804.jpg

Now, to my eye the prototype seems to rest on a type 11 frame (correct me if I'm wrong) and not on the type 21 frame that Life Like provided. My question is what do I need to keep in mind when making alterations. Can I back date a type 21 frame to a type 11?

BMMX 1804 was built by AC&F at Berwick as part of lot 8719 in 12/1919 for the Transit Company Ltd. as a TCLX 800-899 series car. This photograph was taken at Sarnia, Ontario in July 1927, probably just after the car had been renumbered from TCLX 866 (Sarnia was the home to the Imperial Oil/Transit Company Ltd.'s car shops).  By 1955 the car had been returned to its original number, and by 1960 had been renumbered UTLX 26354.

Ian Cranstone
Osgoode, Ontario, Canada


Re: Dark chalk marks

SUVCWORR@...
 

My guess as to why they are dark -- did not have a piece of chalk handy so use a lump of coal 

Rich Orr


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Here is a picture of Frisco rebuilt single sheathed boxcar with dark chalk marks high enough up that likely written at the loading platform:

 

https://donstrack.smugmug.com/UtahRails/Emil-Albrecht-Photos/1947-Sep-Salt-Lake-City/i-jV3JmGN/A 

 

Gary Laakso

south of Mike Brock

 

In the next picture, are those military vehicles on the flat cars in front of the UP caboose? 




Bracket Grabs

Bob Chapman
 

What's the best HO scale bracket grab aftermarket part these days (scale-size brackets and rungs, flash free, glue-able, etc.)?
Thanks,
Bob Chapman
 


Re: HO Freight Cars for Sale

Steve and Barb Hile
 

Hi Jared,

Here's the list. I need to get cracking on some models to bring to
Collinsville.

Best Regards,
Steve

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Steve,


Please send the list.

Jared Harper



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I have a small group of HO freight cars that are excess to my needs for
sale. I will send you a list if you contact me, off list, at shile (at)
mindspring (dot) com. Actual shipping cost from Naperville is in addition
to the prices shown. Or I can hand off to you at Collinsville next month.

Sorry for duplicate postings.

Steve Hile


Re: Dark chalk marks

Jack Burgess
 

That does seem to suggest that they were added when the car was being loaded
although I'm not sure why they are so dark.



When I add chalk marks to a freight car, I assume that not all of them will
be recent. So, after air brushing a gloss coat for decals, I add some decal
chalk marks in addition to the regular decals. After a dull coat
application, I overspray the car with the base color to slightly lighten the
decals. After weathering, I then add dry transfer chalk marks to represent
more recent additions.



Jack Burgess



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Here is a picture of Frisco rebuilt single sheathed boxcar with dark chalk
marks high enough up that likely written at the loading platform:



https://donstrack.smugmug.com/UtahRails/Emil-Albrecht-Photos/1947-Sep-Salt-L
ake-City/i-jV3JmGN/A



Gary Laakso

south of Mike Brock



In the next picture, are those military vehicles on the flat cars in front
of the UP caboose?


Essential Freight Cars

Barry Kenner
 

Hello Group,
I am very impressed with the detail and information in Ted Culotta's series of articles"Essential Freight Cars". I was wondering if all of them were available. I have some of the latter ones. None of my searches have worked. I thought I would ask the group. Thanks,Barry


Dark chalk marks

gary laakso
 

Here is a picture of Frisco rebuilt single sheathed boxcar with dark chalk marks high enough up that likely written at the loading platform:

 

https://donstrack.smugmug.com/UtahRails/Emil-Albrecht-Photos/1947-Sep-Salt-Lake-City/i-jV3JmGN/A 

 

Gary Laakso

south of Mike Brock

 

In the next picture, are those military vehicles on the flat cars in front of the UP caboose? 


Re: SFRD reefer classes

Robert J Miller CFA
 

Clark.

From the Santa Fe Modeler's Listing of Freight Cars by Class and Car Number there were in 1953 the following number of cars in the respective number series.

RR-27 # 4200-4248.    48 cars

RR-27 # 18000-18499   0 cars, but there are cars in this series in 1956

RR-27 # 34500-34950 441 cars




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Subject: [STMFC] SFRD reefer classes

 
At a train show a couple weekends ago I picked up a Longs Drug Store/IM SFRD reefer kit. The car has a reweigh of 40 and has the R-27 class. In the box was a Plano running board set for the R-28, 32 class. I know nothing about Santa Fe reefers (probably wrote the class wrong?) Anyways, the kit instructions say to use different platforms around the hatches on these different classes.
My questions is: Is there any other differences between these classes? The Plano parts represent steel running boards while the model has wood with the hatch doors opening toward the end of the car. I would like the car to represent a car in the late 40s to 50 era. I will reweigh the car with a newer date and could just as well re-class it if the Plano parts will work?
All advice is appreciated!
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Re: PFE/WP Reefers: Color of Feather (Orange or Silver)?

Bruce Smith
 

Bill,


When in doubt I refer to the gospels according to Thompson, Church and Jones (aka, the PFE "bible").  As I read them, technically, neither silver nor orange are correct for the feather.  The book states that the herald was always white on black.  Additionally, I have only identified cars that match that description in every online photo I can find.  For example: http://lariverrailroads.com/reefer/pfe55589.jpg


I'd go with the  one you think as "silver" as the most correct.  Of course that doesn't make the other car wrong, since RC had a fondness for experimental paint schemes.  However, given the paucity of the WP cars within the PFE fleet and the fact that they were freely distributed within that fleet, modeling the oddity is probably not the best approach.


Regards

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL


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Subject: [STMFC] PFE/WP Reefers: Color of Feather (Orange or Silver)?
 


I have a red caboose kit r-30-12 pfe/wp reefer with feather in WP logo as orange but I've seen a red caboose RTR with the feather as silver.


Can anyone explain which is correct?


(I'm modeling 1947-48)


thanks




Re: SFRD reefer classes

tyesac@...
 





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Subject: [STMFC] SFRD reefer classes

 
At a train show a couple weekends ago I picked up a Longs Drug Store/IM SFRD reefer kit. The car has a reweigh of 40 and has the R-27 class. In the box was a Plano running board set for the R-28, 32 class. I know nothing about Santa Fe reefers (probably wrote the class wrong?) Anyways, the kit instructions say to use different platforms around the hatches on these different classes.
My questions is: Is there any other differences between these classes? The Plano parts represent steel running boards while the model has wood with the hatch doors opening toward the end of the car. I would like the car to represent a car in the late 40s to 50 era. I will reweigh the car with a newer date and could just as well re-class it if the Plano parts will work?
All advice is appreciated!
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Re: Can I modify a Type 21 underframe into Type 11?

Bruce Smith
 

Colin,

Interesting photo. That reweigh certainly could be 12-19, which would make some sense as some longitudinally riveted cars with safeties mounted on the top of the dome were starting to make an appearance. This is a pre-Type 21 given that the 21 stands for 1921, the year of its design ;) but it certainly resembles a Type 21. Issues that you might need to address on the tank if you used a LifeLike 10K tank would be that the dome appears narrower and taller than the Type 21. In addition, the dome is topped with a screw in access, as opposed to a safety hatch.

The car clearly has arch-bar trucks and appears to have split K (KD) brakes.

As for the frame, sure you can do it, but why bother when you have the Tichy frame that will serve?

Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL
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Subject: [STMFC] Can I modify a Type 21 underframe into Type 11?

Hi folks,
I'm about to start working on a Life Like 10 000k tank car kit that was obviously inspired by the following photo from Ian Cranstone's site Nakina.net

http://nakina.net/photos/bmmx/bmmx001804.jpg

Now, to my eye the prototype seems to rest on a type 11 frame (correct me if I'm wrong) and not on the type 21 frame that Life Like provided. My question is what do I need to keep in mind when making alterations. Can I back date a type 21 frame to a type 11?

Colin


Re: SFRD reefer classes

Todd Sullivan
 

Hi Clark,

According to the ATSF reefer book, USRA rebuild classes Rr-19 through Rr-27 (the Long's and Intermountain models) were all built in 1936 through early 1940 with wooden running boards and hatch platforms with the hatch hinges toward the end of the car.  Beginning with class Rr-28 (1940), the rebuilds received abbreviated wooden hatch platforms, and steel running boards and platforms were introduced after WWII.

Ted Culotta's "Essential Freight Cars 33", published in the August 2006 RMC, is a great article that shows several classes from the Long's and Intermountain models with the appropriate details.  He included a Sunshine kit of the Rr-34 through Rr-43 classes, all of which look pretty much the same and had the steel running boards and platforms.  I think one could build a nearly correct model of these cars from the Intermountain kit using some different parts (ends, fan control boxes, etc.).

The classes and built dates (from the ATSF reefer book):

Rr-19    31254-31655   1936-1937
Rr-23    31656-33155   1937-1938
Rr-25    33156-33655   1939
Rr-27    34500-34950   1939-1940
Rr-27      4200-4248     1940            (cars w/ fans)
Rr-28    35000-35499   1940
Rr-32    35500-35999   1940-1941
Rr-33    36301-36650   1941
Rr-33      4251-4400     1941           (cars w/ fans)
Rr-34    14280-15399   1941-1942
Rr-34      4401-4750     1941           (cars w/ fans)
Rr-35      7029-7358     1944-1945  (cars w/ fans, US Gypsum running boards, 7" eaves)  


Todd Sullivan    
 


Can I modify a Type 21 underframe into Type 11?

Kemal Mumcu
 

Hi folks,
I'm about to start working on a Life Like 10 000k tank car kit that was obviously inspired by the following photo from Ian Cranstone's site Nakina.net

http://nakina.net/photos/bmmx/bmmx001804.jpg

Now, to my eye the prototype seems to rest on a type 11 frame (correct me if I'm wrong) and not on the type 21 frame that Life Like provided. My question is what do I need to keep in mind when making alterations. Can I back date a type 21 frame to a type 11?

Colin


Re: HO Freight Cars for Sale

Jared Harper
 

Steve,

Please send the list.

Jared Harper


---In STMFC@..., <shile@...> wrote :

I have a small group of HO freight cars that are excess to my needs for sale.  I will send you a list if you contact me, off list, at shile (at) mindspring (dot) com.  Actual shipping cost from Naperville is in addition to the prices shown.  Or I can hand off to you at Collinsville next month.
 
Sorry for duplicate postings.
 
Steve Hile


Re: PFE/WP Reefers: Color of Feather (Orange or Silver)?

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Bill,

There are two color photos of these cars in Jim Eager's WESTERN PACIFIC COLOR GUIDE TO FREIGHT AND PASSENGER EQUIPMENT. A car preserved at the Feather River Railroad Museum shows the herald as black and what was probably white details. Actually, the light colored parts are yellow-orange, as most of the white has weathered away. This car was last reconditioned in 1943. The second is an in-service shot of a reconditioned car from the 1950s. The herald is clearly black and white.

It is possible that the herald originally had a red-orange feather when the cars were new, but this probably didn't last. Certainly by the first rebuilding around 1938-1943, the herald was black and white.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff


On 5/22/17 3:23 PM, bill_stanton60@... [STMFC] wrote:
 

I have a red caboose kit r-30-12 pfe/wp reefer with feather in WP logo as orange but I've seen a red caboose RTR with the feather as silver.


Can anyone explain which is correct?


(I'm modeling 1947-48)


thanks



Re: SFRD reefer classes

Robert J Miller CFA
 

Clark.

I'll take a gander at my copy of SFRH&MS Ice Reefer book and try to reply to your question off list.
 
Robert J. Miller CFA
Saginaw, MI

Tell the truth, work hard, and come to dinner on time.
Gerald R. Ford



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Subject: [STMFC] SFRD reefer classes

 
At a train show a couple weekends ago I picked up a Longs Drug Store/IM SFRD reefer kit. The car has a reweigh of 40 and has the R-27 class. In the box was a Plano running board set for the R-28, 32 class. I know nothing about Santa Fe reefers (probably wrote the class wrong?) Anyways, the kit instructions say to use different platforms around the hatches on these different classes.
My questions is: Is there any other differences between these classes? The Plano parts represent steel running boards while the model has wood with the hatch doors opening toward the end of the car. I would like the car to represent a car in the late 40s to 50 era. I will reweigh the car with a newer date and could just as well re-class it if the Plano parts will work?
All advice is appreciated!
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa



SFRD reefer classes

Clark Propst
 

At a train show a couple weekends ago I picked up a Longs Drug Store/IM SFRD reefer kit. The car has a reweigh of 40 and has the R-27 class. In the box was a Plano running board set for the R-28, 32 class. I know nothing about Santa Fe reefers (probably wrote the class wrong?) Anyways, the kit instructions say to use different platforms around the hatches on these different classes.
My questions is: Is there any other differences between these classes? The Plano parts represent steel running boards while the model has wood with the hatch doors opening toward the end of the car. I would like the car to represent a car in the late 40s to 50 era. I will reweigh the car with a newer date and could just as well re-class it if the Plano parts will work?
All advice is appreciated!
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


PFE/WP Reefers: Color of Feather (Orange or Silver)?

bill stanton
 

I have a red caboose kit r-30-12 pfe/wp reefer with feather in WP logo as orange but I've seen a red caboose RTR with the feather as silver.


Can anyone explain which is correct?


(I'm modeling 1947-48)


thanks


Re: Those FDEX Refrigerator Cars (PFE Egg Loads)

thecitrusbelt@...
 

Below are the PFE reefers with egg loads as reported on Terry Link's Canada Southern Railway website.

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

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Bill and Friends,

Enough cracking egg jokes.

PFE rebuilt 50 R-30 cars to class R-40-6 circa 1935-36 for egg service. These were numbered PFE 80101-80150. They are briefly discussed on page 118 of Tony's book (2nd ed.). I was given a copy of the general arrangement drawing for these cars by Dick Harley, but I have yet to see a photo of one. Tony didn't tell us where they were used, but I would not be surprised if some were loaded in the Petaluma/Santa Rosa area of Northern California, once a major egg and poultry center. This series operated in decreasing numbers through the 1950s.

Pacific Egg Producers operated URTCo. 12000-12359, built by AC&F in 1927. They are shown on page 51 of RPC 5. Walthers sold the former TM wood-end car in this lettering. Many other URTCo. reefers were built for butter, eggs and poultry shippers, and are shown in that issue of RPC.

I would be very interested in hearing whatever else you are able to learn about egg traffic.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff


On 5/22/17 1:02 AM, Bill Keene wakeene@... [STMFC] wrote:
 
Hi Schuyler,

Perhaps -- just perhaps -- the job of being an "egg dresser" has gone the way of a "buggy whip maker"?  Refrigeration has changed a good deal of peoples' lives. 

I need to do some research into the shipment of eggs in reefers, or would these have been an REA shipment? 

Cheers,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA



Re: Those FDEX Refrigerator Cars

Jon Miller
 

On 5/22/2017 6:25 AM, 'Douglas Harding' doug.harding@... [STMFC] wrote:
It is possible dressed eggs means hard boiled eggs that have had the shell removed and were packed for shipment.

    Up until the 60s eggs were coated in "water glass".  I'm not sure how often and how much this was done but I do know it was done.  It's possible this is what the term meant.

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