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Re: Permanent Heaters—(BAR Insulated Boxcars)

Rich C
 

Bob, At one time Funaro & Camerlengo offered a kit with both New Haven & BAR decals. The kit is long discontinued. However, one should be able to 'bash one with the aforementioned Shapeways parts along with the vents offered by Moloco.

Rich Christie


On Saturday, May 13, 2017 10:44 AM, "thecitrusbelt@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 
Does anyone make an accurate insulated boxcar to go with these heaters?

If not, what model would be a good starting point?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA



Re: Permanent Heaters—(BAR Insulated Boxcars)

thecitrusbelt@...
 

Does anyone make an accurate insulated boxcar to go with these heaters?


If not, what model would be a good starting point?


Thanks.


Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Shell tank cars in the northeast

Steve and Barb Hile
 

Yes, the RPX cars joined UTLX beginning in 1948, but it took several years to get all the cars renumbered.  At least 1000 cars were purchased.
 
I hope that this is helpful.
 
Regards,
Steve Hile
 
 



From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2017 8:55 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Shell tank cars in the northeast

 

Hi List,


From what I can gather based on responses, RPX is there in '53 but is gone by '55.  Could/should I assume that Shell's eastern division fleet was now a part of the UTLX or GATX fleet by '55?  I don't believe SCCX was handling eastern US Shell petroleum traffic, unless I'm wrong in my assumption and please tell me as much.

As for Tim's suggestion of the SCMX/Shell Chemical, I should have been more specific.  I was asking about Shell petroleum cars.  As well, I have the Kadee ACF insulated tanker decorated for SHPX and leased to Shell Chemical, so I'm good there.  

Thanks for any/all info.

Brian LaManna/Moncton, NB

 


From: STMFC@... on behalf of Tim O'Connor timboconnor@... [STMFC]
Sent: May 12, 2017 10:23:30 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Shell tank cars in the northeast
 
 


Brian, look for SCMX reporting marks - Shell Chemical - seen all over the US

Tim O'Connor




I'm currently attempting to build up a tank car fleet that would be accurate for my time (1953-1957) and locale (suburban New Jersey on the Lackawanna).  Going over different sources like this list's archives, the Speedwitch tank car book, "The Postwar Freight Car Fleet" and many of the Railmodel Journal articles on models and prototypes, I'm trying to establish if a Shell tank car 1. existed in my time frame and 2. operated under what reporting marks?  From what I can gather, the eastern Shell division -- SEPX -- began switching to the RPX initials in the early '40s.  Further reading suggests that the RPX fleet was folded into one of the large leasing firms (UTLX or GATX).  I'm curious if any Shell/RPX cars would be in a consist in the NY/NJ/PA area in the mid '50s or if by that point they would be part of one of the larger monolithic fleets?

Any and all assistance is appreciated.  If this has been addressed before, my apologies.  I went through the archives but sometimes I miss things.

Thanks,

Brian LaManna/Moncton, NB


Re: Shell tank cars in the northeast

Brian LaManna
 

Hi List,


From what I can gather based on responses, RPX is there in '53 but is gone by '55.  Could/should I assume that Shell's eastern division fleet was now a part of the UTLX or GATX fleet by '55?  I don't believe SCCX was handling eastern US Shell petroleum traffic, unless I'm wrong in my assumption and please tell me as much.

As for Tim's suggestion of the SCMX/Shell Chemical, I should have been more specific.  I was asking about Shell petroleum cars.  As well, I have the Kadee ACF insulated tanker decorated for SHPX and leased to Shell Chemical, so I'm good there.  

Thanks for any/all info.

Brian LaManna/Moncton, NB

 


From: STMFC@... <STMFC@...> on behalf of Tim O'Connor timboconnor@... [STMFC]
Sent: May 12, 2017 10:23:30 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Shell tank cars in the northeast
 
 


Brian, look for SCMX reporting marks - Shell Chemical - seen all over the US

Tim O'Connor




I'm currently attempting to build up a tank car fleet that would be accurate for my time (1953-1957) and locale (suburban New Jersey on the Lackawanna).  Going over different sources like this list's archives, the Speedwitch tank car book, "The Postwar Freight Car Fleet" and many of the Railmodel Journal articles on models and prototypes, I'm trying to establish if a Shell tank car 1. existed in my time frame and 2. operated under what reporting marks?  From what I can gather, the eastern Shell division -- SEPX -- began switching to the RPX initials in the early '40s.  Further reading suggests that the RPX fleet was folded into one of the large leasing firms (UTLX or GATX).  I'm curious if any Shell/RPX cars would be in a consist in the NY/NJ/PA area in the mid '50s or if by that point they would be part of one of the larger monolithic fleets?

Any and all assistance is appreciated.  If this has been addressed before, my apologies.  I went through the archives but sometimes I miss things.

Thanks,

Brian LaManna/Moncton, NB


Re: Permanent Heaters—was Ventilated Box Cars

Rich C
 

On Friday, May 12, 2017 2:51 PM, "Tim O'Connor timboconnor@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 

We were discussing Bangor & Aroostook, Bill.


A'hem, pretty broad statement regarding pre-1960. FGE's Plywood sheathed FOBX 50-foot 4000 overhead bunker cars built beginning in 1944 were equipped with heaters under the floor and while granted it was a singular entity, Aluminum car FGEX 40000 was rebuilt with a permanent underslung heater.

Then there all those pesky Canadian reefers so equipped.

Bill Welch



Broadway Limited ACF type 27 cars for sale.

Brian Carlson
 

I have two extra Broadway limited tank cars for sale. 

The Brown company car
Mathieson. 

Both from the variety pack. 
$30 plus USPS priority mail shipping from 14227

Contact me off list at prrk41361 (at) yahoo (dot) com

Brian J. Carlson 


Re: Shell tank cars in the northeast

SUVCWORR@...
 

In 1953  Shell was using three reporting marks  
Rich Orr

SHELL CHEMICAL SCMX
SHELL OIL SCCX
SHELL OIL RPX



-----Original Message-----
From: Brian LaManna brianlamanna@... [STMFC]
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Fri, May 12, 2017 6:26 pm
Subject: [STMFC] Shell tank cars in the northeast



List,


I'm currently attempting to build up a tank car fleet that would be accurate for my time (1953-1957) and locale (suburban New Jersey on the Lackawanna).  Going over different sources like this list's archives, the Speedwitch tank car book, "The Postwar Freight Car Fleet" and many of the Railmodel Journal articles on models and prototypes, I'm trying to establish if a Shell tank car 1. existed in my time frame and 2. operated under what reporting marks?  From what I can gather, the eastern Shell division -- SEPX -- began switching to the RPX initials in the early '40s.  Further reading suggests that the RPX fleet was folded into one of the large leasing firms (UTLX or GATX).  I'm curious if any Shell/RPX cars would be in a consist in the NY/NJ/PA area in the mid '50s or if by that point they would be part of one of the larger monolithic fleets?

Any and all assistance is appreciated.  If this has been addressed before, my apologies.  I went through the archives but sometimes I miss things.

Thanks,

Brian LaManna/Moncton, NB

brianlamanna AT hotmail DOT com




Re: Shell tank cars in the northeast

Tim O'Connor
 


Brian, look for SCMX reporting marks - Shell Chemical - seen all over the US

Tim O'Connor




I'm currently attempting to build up a tank car fleet that would be accurate for my time (1953-1957) and locale (suburban New Jersey on the Lackawanna).  Going over different sources like this list's archives, the Speedwitch tank car book, "The Postwar Freight Car Fleet" and many of the Railmodel Journal articles on models and prototypes, I'm trying to establish if a Shell tank car 1. existed in my time frame and 2. operated under what reporting marks?  From what I can gather, the eastern Shell division -- SEPX -- began switching to the RPX initials in the early '40s.  Further reading suggests that the RPX fleet was folded into one of the large leasing firms (UTLX or GATX).  I'm curious if any Shell/RPX cars would be in a consist in the NY/NJ/PA area in the mid '50s or if by that point they would be part of one of the larger monolithic fleets?

Any and all assistance is appreciated.  If this has been addressed before, my apologies.  I went through the archives but sometimes I miss things.

Thanks,

Brian LaManna/Moncton, NB


Re: Ventilated Box Cars

riverman_vt@...
 

Perhaps we need to take a closer look at the early heater cars. Bot the B&M and the MEC used the
patented Eastman Heater Cars, which had permanent charcoal heater boxed underslung. I believe the
MEC favored them more than the B&M. I also seem to recall the BAR using such cars but find real
information on them very difficult to come by. Can anyone shed more light on them. I know they were
largely gone by the mid 1930's when the BAR, in particular, worked a deal with MDT and used thier
refrigerator cars, both wood and steel sheathed, for potato shipping for some years before buying some
of their own cars to use in conjunction with them until ultimately replacing them. I know that from at 
least the mid-1960's on (sorry Mike) all of the cars used internal kerosene heaters as I handled the
insurance policy for the company providing that service for some years.

Cordially, Don Valentine





---In STMFC@..., <timboconnor@...> wrote :


I was trying to offer solace for the overbroad generalizations about
BAR refrigerator cars. And unlike the sheriff, I have no aversion to
mentioning dates after 1960 or before 1900, if it helps to illuminate the
dark corners...



After 1960? Off in the dim future somewhere? C'mon, Tim.

Tony Thompson


After 1960, a minority of the reefers had either interior alcohol heaters,
or charcoal heaters mounted underneath, like the XI cars. Some of these were
equipped for bulk potato loading. However, prior to 1960 none of the reefers
had permanent heaters of any kind as you say.

Tim O'



The cars with heaters were NOT reefers, but were XI cars. The BAR reefers did NOT have permanent heaters. That's my understanding. Please correct if you have more info.

Tony Thompson


Shell tank cars in the northeast

Brian LaManna
 

List,


I'm currently attempting to build up a tank car fleet that would be accurate for my time (1953-1957) and locale (suburban New Jersey on the Lackawanna).  Going over different sources like this list's archives, the Speedwitch tank car book, "The Postwar Freight Car Fleet" and many of the Railmodel Journal articles on models and prototypes, I'm trying to establish if a Shell tank car 1. existed in my time frame and 2. operated under what reporting marks?  From what I can gather, the eastern Shell division -- SEPX -- began switching to the RPX initials in the early '40s.  Further reading suggests that the RPX fleet was folded into one of the large leasing firms (UTLX or GATX).  I'm curious if any Shell/RPX cars would be in a consist in the NY/NJ/PA area in the mid '50s or if by that point they would be part of one of the larger monolithic fleets?

Any and all assistance is appreciated.  If this has been addressed before, my apologies.  I went through the archives but sometimes I miss things.

Thanks,

Brian LaManna/Moncton, NB

brianlamanna AT hotmail DOT com


Re: More Steamtown NHS Images - DL&W 35059

Dennis Storzek
 




---In STMFC@..., <rbrennan@...> wrote :

The ErieLack list returns to the freight car topic...
part of the NPS Steamtown collection posted by Historian/Archivist
Pat (Richard) McKnight;

A full walk-around of DL&W 35059... a Class B-7 boxcar built 9-1903.,
taken circa-1921.


==========================

I love those door hangers:-) I should take up modeling this era... in 1" scale, maybe.

I also like the little bead molding worked on the lower edge of the fascia. It occurs to me that the car has an "inside metal roof". The clues are the single layer of roof boards, so it's not a double board roof, and the fact that the fascia is spaced away from the car side, which is why it won't lay tight and flat.

Dennis Storzek




Buffalo & Susquehanna Symposium August 4 and 5 at DuBois, Penna.

Schleigh Mike
 

Hello All!
The subject's planning and preparation is well underway.  The general thrust of this meeting is to address the mostly unremarked southern end of the railroad which has not much been studied in various publications that did of the B&S, the B&O that followed in 1932, and the Wellsville Addison & Galeton after the B&O.  This South End originated most of the coal and coke traffic  that formed the basis for the major expansion of the road stretching from Sagamore, Penna. to Buffalo, New York in the earliest years of the 20th century.  One of the several talks planned will deal with the rolling stock of the railroad that intended to support this business.
I have attached the meeting's 'flyer' below.  If interested and you cannot open it, please contact me off line.
Happy Historical Studies of Fine Railroading!
Mike Schleigh in Grove City, Penna.  724-458-7405


Re: Ventilated Box Cars

Tim O'Connor
 


I was trying to offer solace for the overbroad generalizations about
BAR refrigerator cars. And unlike the sheriff, I have no aversion to
mentioning dates after 1960 or before 1900, if it helps to illuminate the
dark corners...



After 1960? Off in the dim future somewhere? C'mon, Tim.

Tony Thompson


After 1960, a minority of the reefers had either interior alcohol heaters,
or charcoal heaters mounted underneath, like the XI cars. Some of these were
equipped for bulk potato loading. However, prior to 1960 none of the reefers
had permanent heaters of any kind as you say.

Tim O'



The cars with heaters were NOT reefers, but were XI cars. The BAR reefers did NOT have permanent heaters. That's my understanding. Please correct if you have more info.

Tony Thompson


Re: Permanent Heaters�was Ventilated Box Cars

Tim O'Connor
 


We were discussing Bangor & Aroostook, Bill.


A'hem, pretty broad statement regarding pre-1960. FGE's Plywood sheathed FOBX 50-foot 4000 overhead bunker cars built beginning in 1944 were equipped with heaters under the floor and while granted it was a singular entity, Aluminum car FGEX 40000 was rebuilt with a permanent underslung heater.

Then there all those pesky Canadian reefers so equipped.

Bill Welch


X29 Information

Michael Gross
 

Thanks to all who responded  to my request for the X29 information.  I have what I need, and am most grateful for your generosity.


Cheers!


Michael Gross

Pasadena, CA


Re: 1943 Ventilated car quantities

Todd Horton
 

The C of G official lists shows the following

                                                        1941   1949     1954   1957
Vent Cars                                          4168    2412     83        8
Vent Cars Turned Into Box Cars          194     686      348      13
 
Todd Horton



From: "'Eric Hansmann' eric@... [STMFC]"
To: stmfc@...
Sent: Friday, May 12, 2017 11:47 AM
Subject: [STMFC] 1943 Ventilated car quantities

 
A copy of the January 1943 ORER has been in my library since it was first reprinted by the NMRA in 2001. It was my first exposure to this type of data and captured my interest.
A very handy table can be found on pages 1012-1016; Recapitulation of Cars - Freight. This is a data breakdown of box car (X), ventilator cars (V) and stock car (S) quantities across a few different lengths. It is an easy to use table to find ventilated and automobile car quantities. Oddly, grand totals for each of the car classes are not compiled, but it's easy to add up the ventilated car amounts and compare with quantities for specific railroads. I wish I could find a similar table for mid-1920s data.
After quick work with the calculator, the ventilated car quantities total 13,637 cars. In the big picture, that is not a great number. There were more PRR X29 class box cars in service in 1943 than ventilated box cars. But you notice those X29s, don't you? I think our freight car-trained eyes would notice a ventilated car with a slatted second side door and/or small end vents, too. Here are the lines with ventilated cars listed in order of car quantities
 
Central of Georgia - 3647 cars; 2731 of these have an IL 40-foot or greater
Atlantic Coast Line - 3244 cars; 494 of these have an IL 40-foot or greater
Seaboard Air Line - 3046 cars; none with an IL 40-foot or greater
Louisville & Nashville - 2096 cars; none with an IL 40-foot or greater
Norfolk & Western - 612 cars; none with an IL 40-foot or greater
Chesapeake & Ohio - 595 cars; 100 of these have an IL 40-foot or greater
Southern - 357 cars; none with an IL 40-foot or greater
Delaware & Hudson - 20 cars; none with an IL 40-foot or greater
Southern Pacific - Lines in TX & LA - 12 cars; none with an IL 40-foot or greater
Atlanta, Birmingham & Coast - 8 cars; none with an IL 40-foot or greater
 
Post-War, these numbers began to fall off as the cars were older and the war service was hard on the aging fleet. A combination of increased truck competition, better reefer utilization, and the K-brake ban of 1953 cause the ventilated cars to rapidly disappear from the national freight car fleet over the next 20 years.
As an aside, the 50-foot or greater inside length box cars totaled 47,224, about 3.5 times more than the 1943 ventilated car total.
 
Eric Hansmann
El Paso, TX
 



Lacquer thinner

Andy Carlson
 

I have used automotive Acrylic Lacquer Reducer for thinning Accu-paint and lacquers for decades. The quality of hardware store lacquer thinner is suitable for clean-up, but lacks consistency for paint reducing. It may work well for paint thinning, but you can't control for whatever evaporation rates occurs. The automotive reducers are made with better quality ingredients, plus they are specifically formulated for the spraying conditions--highly volatile for colder weather operations; medium for normal conditions; "hot shop" low volatile for high heat. Custom painters also prefer "hot shop" reducer for high gloss results, as the longer flash off keeps the sprayed paint wet longer.

It is getting harder to find the Acrylic Lacquer Reducer in many areas as many paint stores no longer sell Lacquer colors. Since most auto body primer is lacquer, regular lacquer thinner should be with us for quite some time, especially as there are lacquer thinners which are EPA complient with lower volatility.

-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


WESTERFIELD MODELS Newsletter, Vol 6, No 2, May, 2017

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Re: 1943 Ventilated car quantities

George Eichelberger
 

Another thing to realize about published quantities of "vents" in and after the WWII era, they were really box cars that happened to have ventilated doors and maybe end vents. I expect by the time we see dramatic reductions in vent quantities in the RER, they were being scrapped as obsolete plain box cars rather than from produce or watermelon service.

I did not live in a watermelon producing are of Florida from the mid 1950s (Venice and Sarasota) but all of the local celery, citrus and tomato crops were shipped in ice refrigerator cars. About the only area I saw Coast Line vents was on their lines in the Lake Okeechobee area but most were in company service and a few carrying sugar during that harvest season.

Ike


Re: CO-2

Jim Betz
 

Craig/all,

So it would seem fairly likely that small or even normal capacity
bottling plants would have stored their CO-2 in a tank somewhere
inside ... ???
Or even that those 200 gal. supply tanks were "connected
directly to the bottling line" as they were used with two or more
of them so they could switch from an empty to a full without
interrupting the bottling line.
Based upon the stated "one truck load per week" it seems
easy to conclude that the amount of CO-2, per bottle of pop,
was fairly small.
- Jim B.

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