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Re: Has Anyone Assembled the Laser Kit Pickle Car?

Dennis Storzek
 




---In STMFC@..., <eric@...> wrote :

Here's a 1923 image of the School Street yard of the B&O Allegheny BBranch. Click on the image for easier review and to zoom in on the freight cars.

http://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3A715.231799.CP


The HJ Heinz plant is less than a mile to the right and served by this branch. Four of five pickle tank cars are the Heinz coffin type cars while one is open. Just beyond the Heinz is a Lutz & Schramm Pickles & Preserves operation...

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

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Which means the open car could have been for Lutz, not Heinz. I would actually think that was more likely; you'll note the Heinz car have hanging signs attached to a handrail like affair along the centerline of the roof, even though there is plenty of room on the slab sides of the cars, where they chose to simply advertise "pickles." In comparison, the open vat car is all but unmarked, which leads me to think it is NOT a Heinz car.


Dennis Storzek


Heinz Pickle Coffin Car

Eric Hansmann
 

Doug,

Here's an image that is labeled Construction of Vinegar Tank Car but there's an open Coffin Pickle car to view.

http://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3AMSP57.B024.I02


Once the page opens, click on the image to review a better size and to zoom in for a closer look.

I suspect one reason the Heinz cars were not open sided was because the tanks were rectangular, as seen in this image.

I'm glad I have one in my stash of Westerfield kits.


Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN



On February 27, 2018 at 7:10 AM "'Doug Harding' doug.harding@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:



Allen I have not seen a photo of a Heinz car with an open frame work and visible vats. The only photos I have seen of Heinz pickle cars were enclosed cars, what are often called “coffin” cars.

http://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3A20170417-hpichswp-0075/from_search/-68

A good source of information and photos is Dave Leider’s book on the pickle industry. http://vinpic.dhke.com/

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 



 

 


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN


Re: Has Anyone Assembled the Laser Kit Pickle Car?

Eric Hansmann
 

Here's a 1923 image of the School Street yard of the B&O Allegheny BBranch. Click on the image for easier review and to zoom in on the freight cars.

http://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3A715.231799.CP


The HJ Heinz plant is less than a mile to the right and served by this branch. Four of five pickle tank cars are the Heinz coffin type cars while one is open. Just beyond the Heinz is a Lutz & Schramm Pickles & Preserves operation. 

The Allegheny Branch is the focus of my next layout set in 1926. Pickle tank cars will be part of the ever evolving fleet.

And yes, I also see that Heinz vinegar tank car. I wish we could see a Barrett tank car in the mix as there was a small Barrett Manufacturing facility about a quarter mile to the left of this yard.


Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN


On February 27, 2018 at 7:10 AM "'Doug Harding' doug.harding@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:



Allen I have not seen a photo of a Heinz car with an open frame work and visible vats. The only photos I have seen of Heinz pickle cars were enclosed cars, what are often called “coffin” cars.

http://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3A20170417-hpichswp-0075/from_search/-68

A good source of information and photos is Dave Leider’s book on the pickle industry. http://vinpic.dhke.com/

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 



 


Re: Has Anyone Assembled the Laser Kit Pickle Car?

Douglas Harding
 

Allen I have not seen a photo of a Heinz car with an open frame work and visible vats. The only photos I have seen of Heinz pickle cars were enclosed cars, what are often called “coffin” cars.

http://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3A20170417-hpichswp-0075/from_search/-68

A good source of information and photos is Dave Leider’s book on the pickle industry. http://vinpic.dhke.com/

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 


Re: Pantone Numbers for Railroad Paints

Garth Groff or Sally Sanford <sarahsan@...>
 

Randy,

Thank you so much for the links to your group's paint samples. You have finally offered a partial answer to my question which started this thread. I was looking for k railroad paint information with Pantone numbers that would to the high quality spray can paints found at http://artprimo.com/catalog/spray-paint-c-26.html  (only some lines have Pantone numbers). As someone who must do all my painting on the patio in good weather, I am always looking for useful spray can colors, especially since Floquil is no longer made.

To that end, several years back I made 3 X 5 sample cards of Floquil and Scale Coat II red oxide sprays, and also every red primer color I could find in hardware, auto and department stores in my area. When I have used the paints on models, I made notes on the cards about which cars received that color. It's an imperfect system, but it does help in color selection. Interesting note: my samples are in a plastic file box and I always show the box at the cash register. Several times confused clerks have tried to charge me for my box and samples, but the explanation is less painful than being suspected of hiding stolen merchandise in the box.

On the question of paint samples from historic cars, most paint in the early days was sold as a dry pigment, and was mixed with linseed oil as needed by the railroad. Although there were likely formulas, much of the mixing was by eye. Thus a group of cars painted across several days or weeks might show considerable variation. Your samples are a snapshot of one car, but a very important snap shot, and I commend your group for gathering this valuable information and making it available to us all. Rest assured I will study your information and see if I can apply same to my needs.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

On 2/26/18 10:59 PM, Randy Hees randyhees@... [STMFC] wrote:
 
Pantone, while not the best system is the most accessible.  Munsel books are $1000.00 plus... so not available...

Pantone was originally designed for printer's ink, but now has expanded for paint and textiles...

We use Pantone for our color information at PacificNG.org...  the landing page for our color cards is http://www.pacificng.com/template.php?page=/ref/color/index.php&pg=contemporary  Each of these cards is based on forensic paint information from original cars or car material...  from 19th century color cards, from 19th century paint formula books...  

While Pantone is not perfect, it does convey information in a standardize system...

Randy Hees




Re: Has Anyone Assembled the Laser Kit Pickle Car?

Allen Cain
 

Very nice looking car!

 

FYI I also have some pics showing angle iron side bracing instead of tie rods on Square Dingee pickle cars.  Wonder what Heinz used on theirs? Rods or Angles?

 

Should would like to have a pic of the Heinz Open Side Pickle Cars.  [HINT, HINT]

 

Allen Cain

 


Re: Pantone Numbers for Railroad Paints

Randy Hees
 

Pantone, while not the best system is the most accessible.  Munsel books are $1000.00 plus... so not available...

Pantone was originally designed for printer's ink, but now has expanded for paint and textiles...

We use Pantone for our color information at PacificNG.org...  the landing page for our color cards is http://www.pacificng.com/template.php?page=/ref/color/index.php&pg=contemporary  Each of these cards is based on forensic paint information from original cars or car material...  from 19th century color cards, from 19th century paint formula books...  

While Pantone is not perfect, it does convey information in a standardize system...

Randy Hees


Re: Pantone Numbers for Railroad Paints

Dave Nelson
 

FWIW, many of the next-gen TV sets (UHD) will come with High Definition
Color (HDR). What that means in digital terms is instead of using 8 bits to
obtain 256 gradations each of red, blue, and green, it'll use 10 bits and
provide 1024 gradations of each. The number of discrete colors will jump
from almost 17 million to over 1 billion. Of course this still won't
provide good representations of shiny metals (which are visually multiple
colors to a far greater degree than ordinary colors, the lighting being
equal) but I suppose you can't have everything.

In due time computer graphics cards and art software will support the same.
That'll be fine for me -- I paint my digital models w/ light anyway and
heck, with a billion colors to choose from people might actually find 1024
values in each of the RGB codes more than adequate to convey what color
swatches for the model railroad freight cars.

Dave Nelson

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2018 12:27 PM
To: STMFC
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Pantone Numbers for Railroad Paints


I'm late to this party, but have a few comments.

The original question was are there Pantone numbers for RR paints?
The answer is usually no. The reason is that there are only 1200 or 1400
Pantone colors.

Your computer screen with 24-bit RGB color (8 bits per color) will produce
almost 17 million colors (256x256x256 = 16,777,216). That's a lot more than
Pantone, but still not all colors.
Similar is true for CMYK printed colors.

There is no way for RGB or CMYK to produce the color Sodium Yellow, which is
a near single frequency of visible light (remember sodium vapor street
lights?). Same is true for the color of most neon signs and any LED -
neither the RGB nor CMYK systems can match them.

So we do the best we can with available materials and move on.


Cheers,
Dick Harley
Laguna Beach, CA




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Re: Has Anyone Assembled the Laser Kit Pickle Car?

Eric Bergh
 

Yes, I am pretty sure it is the Tichy Flat... looks like I forgot to fill in the holes for the stake pockets, sigh. Oh well, no longer going to have a pickle plant on the module so it won't be running often :)
-Eric Bergh


Re: Ralston-Purina Ventilated Box Car (Reefer)

Galen Gallimore
 

No luck with Labelle - friendly conversation, but no information that I could use.  I am glad that most modelers and manufacturers are helpful and kind.  It makes this sort of detective work easier.

I have one more lead to track down in St. Louis and I'll let the group know if that pans out.  Otherwise, I'm going to start work on these cars when my current caboose project wraps up, hopefully in a couple weeks at most.

Galen


Re: Has Anyone Assembled the Laser Kit Pickle Car?

Eric Hansmann
 

Thanks Eric! That works.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/139379399@N03/25618780997/in/album-72157666151
476198/


Did you use the Tichy flat car as the base model?


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Monday, February 26, 2018 10:56 AM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Has Anyone Assembled the Laser Kit Pickle Car?

Try the link now. I think the permissions are fixed. Man, I sure miss Photo
Bucket. Flicker isn't intuitive, at least for me... hard to be sure from my
macine if changes are enough to make pic show.
-eric bergh

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Re: Has Anyone Assembled the Laser Kit Pickle Car?

Eric Bergh
 

Try the link now. I think the permissions are fixed. Man, I sure miss Photo Bucket. Flicker isn’t intuitive, at least for me... hard to be sure from my macine if changes are enough to make pic show.
-eric bergh


Re: Has Anyone Assembled the Laser Kit Pickle Car?

Eric Hansmann
 

Erich,

 

Your Flickr site won’t open. Do you have your settings as private or public?

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 - will need a few pickle cars for the next layout

 

 


From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2018 10:45 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Has Anyone Assembled the Laser Kit Pickle Car?

 



Hi Gary,

I did build one of the pickle cars several years ago. I do not recall any particular problems with the project. It probably is a better build than using an old Ambroid kit since they are providing you with laser cut parts, etc. and things do go together quite well. Detail is ok, but not really fine... I did add truss rods to the sides, as per some photos I found online... I didn't ever get around to adding cut levers, etc to the flatcar though :).

Here's an old iPhone pic - it did not like my weathering much, looks kinda splotching, but fortunately better on the car. Decals are mine.

Enjoy the build!

 

 

Here's a link to my pic:  Open in new window

Eric Bergh

 



Re: Has Anyone Assembled the Laser Kit Pickle Car?

Jim Williams <wwww5960@...>
 

I did two....Pics attached.......Fragile ..........I purchased three kits to get two....roof supports break as they are removed from the sheet....glued an pined  them back together over and over....I liked the result but didn't find it entertaining....Jim Williams

On ‎Sunday‎, ‎February‎ ‎25‎, ‎2018‎ ‎06‎:‎31‎:‎36‎ ‎PM‎ ‎PST, 'gary laakso' vasa0vasa@earthlink.net [STMFC] <STMFC@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 


It is listed as a flat car load:

 

http://www.laserkit.com/images/391Aweb.jpg 

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock
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Re: Has Anyone Assembled the Laser Kit Pickle Car?

Eric Bergh
 

Hi Gary,
I did build one of the pickle cars several years ago. I do not recall any particular problems with the project. It probably is a better build than using an old Ambroid kit since they are providing you with laser cut parts, etc. and things do go together quite well. Detail is ok, but not really fine... I did add truss rods to the sides, as per some photos I found online... I didn't ever get around to adding cut levers, etc to the flatcar though :).
Here's an old iPhone pic - it did not like my weathering much, looks kinda splotching, but fortunately better on the car. Decals are mine.
Enjoy the build!


Here's a link to my pic:  Open in new window
Eric Bergh
 


Re: Mystic Terminal Company 70357

Earl Tuson
 

Bob Chaparro commented:

What caught my eye was the horizontal sheathing.
I can state that I have seen no other photos of any B&M double sheathed boxcars, USRA or otherwise, that were sided in this manner. I have never come across any explanation for this of any kind. My presumption is this may very well be a one-off experiment.

Others have already covered the MTC reporting marks adequately, but I'll just add that the B&M used the reporting marks on a wide variety of car series, not just these and the well known ARA single- and steel-sheathed cars.

Eric Lombard had added, in part:

...70000-70987, a renumbered series of single-sheathed construction came into service.
Actually 69700-70987. These were just 71000 and 72000 series cars sold to Hyman-Michels, IIRC, refurbished, and leased back to the B&M. (This is getting beyond my era of interest; perhaps Eric's reference is only to the initial listing, and as the program continued, the number series was opened up to that which I just gave.)

Earl Tuson


Has Anyone Assembled the Laser Kit Pickle Car?

gary laakso
 

It is listed as a flat car load:

 

http://www.laserkit.com/images/391Aweb.jpg 

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock


HO 'Car Works' Western 20-yard wood air dump brass car

Andy Carlson
 



Hello folks-
I have a new HO unpainted brass "The Car Works" car, as in the title. It is the Wood bed version. It doesn't  fit into my plans anymore, so I can offer it to anyone reading this post. $190, plus shipping. Contact me off list for details
Thanks,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


From: "oandle@... [STMFC]"
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 4:30 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Dump cars

 
Hi Richard,
  W&R Enterprises made two types in brass that were available years ago, one was a Clark Car Co. 30 cu yd side dump ( I'm using it for B&O) and one was a Magor side dump (I'm using this one for AC&Y).

The Car Works Co. also produced an all wood and all steel version of the Western 20 yd air dump in brass. Its been a long time since I've seen any of these cars offered on the secondary market.





Re: Mystic Terminal Company 70357

ROGER HINMAN
 

My understanding is MTC is an alternate reporting mark used on B&M owned cars to provide the accountants with a small sample of cars to analyze costs with. Definitely not a refrigerator car. 

Roger Hinman


-----Original Message-----
From: Tim O'Connor timboconnor@... [STMFC]
To: STMFC
Sent: Sun, Feb 25, 2018 4:18 pm
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Mystic Terminal Company 70357

 

Bruce, it seems so - the 1940 ORER listing just says cars are stenciled B&M or MTC
but doesn't specify which cars are which.

Tim



I note the "AT HOME ON BOSTON & MAINE" lettering.  Is that to denote that the B&M serves as the "home road" for this car?

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL

https://www.flickr.com/photos/bmrrhs/12832613143/


Re: Mystic Terminal Company 70357

Eric Lombard
 

Hello, Everyone...

My records indicate 25 cars out of B&M 70000-70499 (1919, ACF Lot 8571) received MTC marks in 1927. The weigh date on MTC 70357 looks like '27' so this is likely one of the 'new' B&M cars keeping its original serial number. Several other types of B&M cars were similarly marked MTC as the Mystic Terminal Co. came into existence at the same time. An additional car was added to the MTC series count between 1930 and 1931. Between 1932 and 1933 the MTC cars were folded into the B&M 70000-70499 ORER count but kept their MTC marks. I have a 1949 photo of MTC 70110 (ordinary vertical sheathing). Don't know if they kept MTC marks until retirement. The B&M 70000-70499 series (apparently including the MTC cars) was gone by mid 1954 when 70000-70987, a renumbered series of single-sheathed construction came into service.

Eric Lombard
Homewood, IL

On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 12:16 PM, thecitrusbelt@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

The caption for this undated photo says this is a refrigerator car but it looks more like a boxcar to me. What caught my eye was the horizontal sheathing.

 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/bmrrhs/12832613143/

 

Anyone know more about this or similar cars?

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


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