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Latest (final?) Prototype Rails clinic descriptions and schedule

Aley, Jeff A
 

Hi Folks,

 

               Prototype Rails in Cocoa Beach, FL is rapidly approaching.  The Clinic Schedules, Clinic Descriptions, and other info about the meet may be found on our website: www.prototyperails.com .

 

               I hope to see you there!

 

Regards,

 

-Jeff Aley

Clinic Chairman, PR’18

 

 

 


Re: ebay help

Fran Giacoma
 

Clark, 
In addition to what Tim and others said, add the scale and the car length (eg 40’, HO, etc.). I narrow my searches for boxcars by putting “40” in the search field to eliminate the 50’ or 36’ ones.
For refrigerated cars, add the word “Reefer” to the title or description. I have had good luck on searches with that word rather than “refrigerator car”. 
Fran Giacoma


Re: ebay help

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi Clark,
 
I have sold some model railroad related stuff on eBay, including some STEAM ERA FREIGHT CARS. But certainly I am not the begin-all end-all expert on the topic.
 
I assume you have purchased items on eBay? If so, look at the items you have purchased for yourself and ask yourself these questions...
 
* What did the seller of this item do to make it locatable in an eBay search?
 
* What did the seller do to make for a good, detailed presentation of the article at hand?
 
* What did I do to find it?
 
In essence, learn by tapping in to what strikes you as being good examples, and then use those same techniques for yourself in your listings.
 
In any case, I wish you good luck on your sales.
 
Claus Schlund
 
 
 
 
 

From: cepropst@q.com [STMFC]
Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2017 2:02 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] ebay help
 


I'd like to place some kitbashed or mini-kit freight cars on email, but don't know how to title the sale to reach the right buyers?


Help please and thank you!

Clark Propst



Re: ebay help

Todd Sullivan
 

Hi Clark,

My early eBay tutor told me to take clear photos (you can put as many as 7-9 in an eBay listing now) and write up every feature of the item you are selling in the description.  eBay keeps changing their categories, but if you write a title that has the essential information, eBay's category picker software will usually provide the right or best choice.  You can change the category if you don't like eBay's choice.  I usually fill out all the additional detail description fields, and will put in my own descriptions if their canned ones don't seem to to the model justice.  I've copied an example of one of my descriptions below.

Walthers HO Southern Pacific C-30-1 Wooden Caboose No. SP 383  

 

This is a Walthers HO scale plastic model of a 30’wood sheathed caboose, Southern Pacific class C-30-1, factory painted dark freight car red and lettered in white as SP 383.  The car number was changed from 783 to 383 (a valid SP C-30-1 number) using decals and paint (see photo  of side), and the end handrails were painted safety white.  The model is complete with an interior, and has all handrails and grabs installed and painted.  It has Kadee No. 58 semi-scale couplers and plastic Andrews style trucks with metal wheels; the outside faces of the wheels have been painted black.  The model has no broken or missing parts, and it has no box, and it will be securely packaged for shipment. 

 
Todd Sullivan


Re: A few updates from Speedwitch

Scott
 

My decals arrived as well and very well done! Tge placement/reference card is great too. Well worth the wait! Thank you for doing that Ted.

Scott McDonald


Re: ebay help

Tim O'Connor
 

Clark

Frequently used - Sunshine (vendor name), custom, built, RTR, kit, painted (can be
qualified with "factory"), and of course railroad names, and railroad initials, the
"SKU" (catalog # or kit #), and car type

Technically you don't have to say "freight car" "brass" "resin" but many people
do. And if you select the "freight car" category, Ebay will ask you about the car
type. But I don't know whether Ebay categories percolate up to match peoples' searches.

Advertising REALLY helps. :-)

Tim


I'd like to place some kitbashed or mini-kit freight cars on email, but don't know how to title the sale to reach the right buyers?

Help please and thank you!

Clark Propst


Re: M3 stuarts on Soo Line flat car in Cincy photo

Mike Smeltzer
 

My guess would be a hold track based on the date.   The commodity (tanks) would no longer have a destination and have been moved to a hold track as the destination would no longer be valid...

Mike Smeltzer

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On Thursday, December 28, 2017 'Bruce F. Smith' smithbf <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

Folks,


The "two army tanks" are M3 Stuarts on Soo Line 4761. The round turrets without cupolas marks these as the last batch of early M3s, with the D58101 turret, with production starting in Feb 1942. This version of the tank was scathingly reviewed by the Desert Warfare Board and production for domestic forces ceased after only two months, as a further revised tank, the M3A1 came on line, with Lend Lease production of the old M3 continuing until August 1942. These two late model M3s were thus built between February and April 1942. Because off the issues with these tanks, they were kept stateside and used for training.  The tanks both appear to have marking on the sponsons, which appear to be USA followed by the serial number. No other markings, including aerial recognition marks, can be seen. Given the date (one day after the surrender of Japan was signed in Tokyo Bay and about 3 weeks after the cessation of hostilities) and the rather abusive method of chaining these two tanks down to the flat (bending the fenders), it would appear that they have been surplussed and are either headed for scrap or possibly display somewhere.


Note that I believe this car is on the RIP track... not sure why.


Regards,

Bruce


Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL


Gary Laasko said:
The wonderful picture of the B&O yard in Cincinnati in  1945:  https://www.american-rails.com/images/WWMILWSpud.jpg  has a M-15 boxcar (door opens to the right and its couple to the hopper car) just above the shed near the flat car with the two army tanks.  


Re: ebay help

Scott
 

Isnt there a "keyword" box to enter virtually anything you can think of to describe it? If the mini kit is a sunshine boxcar put in sunshine, minikit, Wabash, boxcar etc etc. It should pop up in thier search if the words match so put everthing you can possibly think of. Been a long time since I sold something on ebay. Buying on the other hand is something completely different.

Scott McDonald


M3 stuarts on Soo Line flat car in Cincy photo

Bruce Smith
 

Folks,


The "two army tanks" are M3 Stuarts on Soo Line 4761. The round turrets without cupolas marks these as the last batch of early M3s, with the D58101 turret, with production starting in Feb 1942. This version of the tank was scathingly reviewed by the Desert Warfare Board and production for domestic forces ceased after only two months, as a further revised tank, the M3A1 came on line, with Lend Lease production of the old M3 continuing until August 1942. These two late model M3s were thus built between February and April 1942. Because off the issues with these tanks, they were kept stateside and used for training.  The tanks both appear to have marking on the sponsons, which appear to be USA followed by the serial number. No other markings, including aerial recognition marks, can be seen. Given the date (one day after the surrender of Japan was signed in Tokyo Bay and about 3 weeks after the cessation of hostilities) and the rather abusive method of chaining these two tanks down to the flat (bending the fenders), it would appear that they have been surplussed and are either headed for scrap or possibly display somewhere.


Note that I believe this car is on the RIP track... not sure why.


Regards,

Bruce


Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL


Gary Laasko said:
The wonderful picture of the B&O yard in Cincinnati in  1945:  https://www.american-rails.com/images/WWMILWSpud.jpg  has a M-15 boxcar (door opens to the right and its couple to the hopper car) just above the shed near the flat car with the two army tanks.  


ebay help

Clark Propst
 

I'd like to place some kitbashed or mini-kit freight cars on email, but don't know how to title the sale to reach the right buyers?


Help please and thank you!

Clark Propst



Re: Pantone Numbers for Railroad Paints

Bruce Smith
 

​Ken,


Several reasons, but the obvious one to me being that I cannot find any system of standard color or color description on the AIC web site. Given that is what we are discussing, please provide at least enough information to allow me to find this.


Regards

Bruce

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL


From: STMFC@... on behalf of Ken Adams smadanek@... [STMFC]
Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2017 12:10 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Pantone Numbers for Railroad Paints
 


Why not go with the metric classifications specified by the Association Internationale de la Couleur (AIC), or Internationale Vereinigung für die Farbe?

Ken Adams



Re: Pantone Numbers for Railroad Paints

Ken Adams <smadanek@...>
 

Why not go with the metric classifications specified by the Association Internationale de la Couleur (AIC), or Internationale Vereinigung für die Farbe?

Ken Adams


Re: B&O sway roof on M-15 class boxcar

rwitt_2000
 

There definetly is a "dip" in the roof and running boards.

It looks like a B&O class M-15e with series beginning with 174--- and a right hand opening door. Even for cars built in the early 1920s such as the M-15e, the B&O still retained its original 1911 design. These B&O class M-15 double sheathed box cars had a steel underframe, as Dennis has noted, with heavy fishbelly center sills, but the superstructure was all wood construction with some steel re-enforcing rods. Some later classes were built with steel car lines. Some had either inside or outside metal roofs.

The date is 1945 and the conversion to wagon-top program ended in the late 1930s as well as the rebuilding program with new XLT ends. The car next in-line represents one of those rebuilds assigned classes M-15h and M-15j. Most of these cars were worn out from the use in WWII and were scrapped in massive numbers in the mid to late 1940s.

Could it be that part of the roof just failed on this car?

Bob Witt


Re: B&O sway roof on M-15 class boxcar

Dennis Storzek
 




---In STMFC@..., <badlands@...> wrote :

My HP shows the same sway.  I think the center of the roof on that boxcar has collapsed. 
 
Charlie 
=====================
I agree. Since the car has a steel underframe, which still appears straight, the only way to get the sag in the roof is if the carlines in the center are bent down, which would also push the sides outward in the center, which we can't really see from this angle. One possibility is someone rigged a chain-fall hoist to the car roof (to unload a large heavy piece of machinery perhaps) and overloaded the roof structure.

Dennis Storzek


Re: B&O sway roof on M-15 class boxcar

Charles Morrill
 

My HP shows the same sway.  I think the center of the roof on that boxcar has collapsed. 
 
Charlie 
 

From: 'gary laakso' vasa0vasa@... [STMFC]
Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2017 9:49 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] B&O sway roof on M-15 class boxcar
 


The wonderful picture of the B&O yard in Cincinnati in  1945:  https://www.american-rails.com/images/WWMILWSpud.jpg  has a M-15 boxcar (door opens to the right and its couple to the hopper car) just above the shed near the flat car with the two army tanks.  I enlarged the picture and the roof and the running board appear to sag in the center of the roof.   Its not enough sway for a John Allen stock car model….. The nearby cars do not have the sway, so it may not be a quirk in the picture or my computer (well, it is a Dell). 

 

Gary Laakso

North west of Mike Brock


SFRD reefer kit

Eric Hansmann
 

Here's a sneak peek at the kit parts for the upcoming Resin Car Works SFRD reefer. 

http://blog.resincarworks.com/workbench-wednesday-4/



Eric Hansmann
RCW web guy


Re: A few updates from Speedwitch

gtws00
 

My CGW decals arrived yesterday as well. Nicely done and a handy reference sheet was provided as to what the decals are on the sheet. 

Thanks to all who made this kit available 

George Toman


Re: Pantone Numbers for Railroad Paints

Greg Martin
 

Tony and I often conflict on the subject of paint, but I most certainly agree with Tony on this little snippet, and we all said AMEN!

Munsell for paint and Pantone for ink, where it regards printed material on some form of paper.

Munsell has a huge catalog and Pantone not so much so. And for heavens sakes don't forget RAL.  I have always liked working with folks that appreciate and eye for color and how it works like Bill Schneider...  and its finished coat (in mils).

I have always wanted to sit down with Bill Wischer and his copy of (well Bruce Walther's) the DuPont color "bible" and Bob Johnson copy of (well the PRRT&H's) The Love of Munsell and just dive in for hours! Both are from similar eras...

But let me remind you all that EMD didn't use DuPont exclusively, Renish Mason made sure of that.

We all want to be close, very close to the correct color and research is vital, color doesn't expire in a particular era, it doesn't. It might over decades but only because the chemicals change that impact the color that is being reproduced, speaking of the manufacturer. Absence of lead in paint was dynamic.

I never read the bullshit name on the bottle of paint I look at the color and then find a useful color related to it. That is a good day...

Once you have applied the correct (in the eyes of the artist) color to your object the world explodes with the possibilities of the drama of color and realism. To much weathering and I sit there and shake my head and say why the oddity, why not the norm? Regardless the mediums to achieve the realism you're looking for are nearly endless.

It all starts with the "correct color" that the students can gain a consensus on, then stand back and admire our work. Just cross your arms and smile a big smile for it is not the "correct color" you admire it is that weathered SOB you just spent hours on you savor.

Indulge yourselves in it...

Greg Martin

Eventually all things merge into one and a river runs through it.
Norman Maclean



And Tony does a great job of summing up the entire discussion.... as he writes:

It's important to recognize that the Pantone system is NOT intended to be used as a way to match some arbitrary color.


Re: B&O sway roof on M-15 class boxcar Plus the very Bent handrail on the rear of a tank car

Scott H. Haycock
 

I think the handrail is straight, you're seeing its shadow on the semi-spherical end of the tank.

Scott  Haycock 


 

It is the same picture but moving in a straight line from the door on the Milwaukee rib side boxcar, 4 tracks over is the rear of a tank car with a really bent handrail. 

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock

 


Re: Paint Booth

A&Y Dave in MD
 

My paint booth is similar to yours and is also by Artograph and is 15 years old. A year or so back, I had a local sheet metal shop use the cardboard top (which was getting a bit tattered and paint covered) as a template to create one out of metal. I had the shop keep a tongue of metal at the top to cut down the size of the opening a bit, and that tongue also provided a mount for an LED lighting kit. I used an LED light bar with the same 6000K rating as my desk lamp and my layout lighting.  This ensures that all my painting and weathering looks the same on my layout as it does on my workbench or in the paint booth.  I have it vented to the old dryer vent in my basement (we had to add a second vent for the stackable washer dryer -- bonus to me!).  Mine sits up on an old dresser that stores my airbrushes, paints, and other supplies.  The compressor sits behind the dresser and is connected with my booth and light to a powerstrip, so one switch on and off for all.

Dave

Wednesday, December 27, 2017, 11:10:27 AM, you wrote:


 
I use the large booth by Artograph, Model 1530. It has easily replaceable filter elements. Big work area 15” x 30”. Good downdraft. A little pricey but will last forever. I have had mine for about 8 years.

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https://www.engineersupply.com/Artograph-Hobby-Model-Spray-Booth-1530.aspx?VariantId=9e63a5aa-2588-4bcc-80da-d94d7790ec75&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cse&utm_term=ES5290&gclid=CjwKCAiApo3SBRA4EiwAty8i-msMun0a6yQEVoTXtD6ZMyu1dQjYx7Dn2A9fezyObnUijOfJpixpERoC1KIQAvD_BwE"



Paul Deis
D&P Mountain Railroad
SP Santa Margarita Sub
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