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"steamerafreightcars.com" domain gone?

irv_thomae
 

In the past few months, I've frequently looked to the "steamerafreightcars" website for comprehensive prototype data.  Today, I was surprised and concerned to a notice that the domain name is available for anyone to buy.    This usually happens, especially with volunteer organizations, when everyone assumes that someone else has paid the annual fee for renewing the registration of a domain name.
   Although I realize it's not directly connected to this group, some of the same highly respected people have contributed to both, so I hope someone here knows what has happened.    Can the extremely useful material that was available on that website be rescued and made available somewhere else?:
   Thanks,
   Irv


Re: heavy duty trucks on B&LE hoppers

Tim O'Connor
 


If you have any success making the trucks or having trucks cast in resin (e.g. F&C) please let us know. :-)

I believe D&RGW also used trucks of this type on their 70 ton GS gondolas, for which there is a 3D kit.

I think Carbon County was another US Steel road.


On 2/18/2021 3:10 PM, Bud Rindfleisch wrote:
Hello,
    Am looking for info and/or drawings for these outside brake hanger trucks as used on the B&LE hoppers. Any help is appreciated.Want to get them 3D printed.
      Bud Rindfleisch

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Identity Of Trucks On PRR Boxcar 65356?

Tim O'Connor
 


I'm fairly sure that's a "Colonel McCoid" photo of PRR 65356 from San Diego, from Bob's collection.


On 2/18/2021 5:43 PM, Allan Smith wrote:
Al Smith
Sonora CA

On Thursday, February 18, 2021, 11:55:58 AM PST, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:


Identity Of Trucks On PRR Boxcar 65356?

Ray Breyer posted this photo on another group. Can any one identify the trucks on this car?

I assume they are an exclusive PRR design.
Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Identity Of Trucks On PRR Boxcar 65356?

william darnaby
 

My Yarmouth N&W B5 boxcar came with these trucks and I am impressed with how well these resin trucks roll with IM wheel sets.

 

Bill Darnaby

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bruce Smith
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2021 4:45 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Identity Of Trucks On PRR Boxcar 65356?

 

Bob,

 

These trucks are PRR class 2D-F24, Buckeye All Service Cushion trucks. F&C made these in resin as an add-on for their X37B kit. They were only used on about 100 X37B and some X38 cars on the PRR. Given that they are a Buckeye design, I would think that they might show up elsewhere.

 

Regards,

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL




Re: Rio Grande PS1

Tim O'Connor
 


Unfortunately the 6 foot door disqualifies this model.


On 2/18/2021 2:36 PM, Richard Townsend via groups.io wrote:
Here's a McKean version of the taller cars (no warranty of accuracy express or implied):

https://www.ebay.com/itm/MCKEAN-HO-RIO-GRANDE-D-RGW-50263-40-PS-1-BOX-CAR-Kit-NOS-LIMITED-EDITION/383956893219?hash=item59659d3e23:g:x2MAAOSwdNpgHCzS

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: Steve and Barb Hile <shile@...>
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Sent: Thu, Feb 18, 2021 10:57 am
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Rio Grande PS1

In the July 1966 ORER, this cars is part of series 50150-50499, 350 cars with a note to indicate that they are leased, but carry D&RGW reporting marks.
 
So, probably not original Rio Grande cars.
 
Steve Hile

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Rio Grande PS1

Tim O'Connor
 


I have images of SIX of the 50150 to 50499 cars and all them are 10-0 IH and have 7 foot doors.

Exactly one railroad bought 10-0 IH PS-1 box cars with 7 foot doors -  the New Haven. And they
bought 1500 of them!

Some appear to have gone to ACY, some CNW, and some continued on under PC and then CR.
All of the New Haven PS-1's were built before 1950, so the roofs would be the early PS-1 style.

The ORER lists the entire series as 10-6 with 7 foot doors. So don't trust everything in the ORER ! :-D



On 2/18/2021 1:59 PM, Garth Groff and Sally Sanford wrote:
Mike and Scott,

Correct. D&RGW 50150-50499 were leased from USRE in 1966. They were a mixed bag of rebuilt cars, some with a rare 10' IH from the New Haven, and others 10' 6" IH. There are photos of both types and an explanation in Jim Eager's RIO GRANDE COLOR GUIDE TO FREIGHT AND PASSENGER EQUIPMENT (Morning Sun, 1996). Jim says the Grande ended up buying the lot, and some were in MW service for years. I've heard someplace that this lot included some non-PS1s as well, but I can't confirm that.

Garth Groff  🦆


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Identity Of Trucks On PRR Boxcar 65356?

Bruce Smith
 

Bob,

These trucks are PRR class 2D-F24, Buckeye All Service Cushion trucks. F&C made these in resin as an add-on for their X37B kit. They were only used on about 100 X37B and some X38 cars on the PRR. Given that they are a Buckeye design, I would think that they might show up elsewhere.

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

On Feb 18, 2021, at 1:55 PM, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:

Identity Of Trucks On PRR Boxcar 65356?
Ray Breyer posted this photo on another group. Can any one identify the trucks on this car?
I assume they are an exclusive PRR design.
Thanks.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA
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Re: Identity Of Trucks On PRR Boxcar 65356?

Allan Smith
 

Al Smith
Sonora CA

On Thursday, February 18, 2021, 11:55:58 AM PST, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:


Identity Of Trucks On PRR Boxcar 65356?

Ray Breyer posted this photo on another group. Can any one identify the trucks on this car?

I assume they are an exclusive PRR design.
Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: heavy duty trucks on B&LE hoppers

Allan Smith
 


They look very muck like the trucks under the Helium Tank Cars. Just Google Helium Tank Cars and search Tony Thompsons articles and the articles under Amarillo Rail Museum. These trucks are under the MDC Heavy Duty Ore Cars, but with roller bearings.


Al Smith
Sonora CA

On Thursday, February 18, 2021, 12:10:53 PM PST, Bud Rindfleisch <blackdiamondrr@...> wrote:


Hello,
    Am looking for info and/or drawings for these outside brake hanger trucks as used on the B&LE hoppers. Any help is appreciated.Want to get them 3D printed.
      Bud Rindfleisch


Re: Rio Grande PS1

Benjamin Hom
 

Brian Ehni wrote:
"Yarmouth makes a resin kit of DRGW 40’ cars. Not sure if they’re what you’re looking for, though." 

Not if you're looking for a PS-1...which this model is NOT.


Ben Hom


heavy duty trucks on B&LE hoppers

Bud Rindfleisch
 

Hello,
    Am looking for info and/or drawings for these outside brake hanger trucks as used on the B&LE hoppers. Any help is appreciated.Want to get them 3D printed.
      Bud Rindfleisch


Photos: N.Y.C. & H.R. Boxcar 97188 (1910)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photos: N.Y.C. & H.R. Boxcar 97188 (1910)

Photos from the Historic New England website:

https://www.historicnewengland.org/explore/collections-access/gusn/197660/

https://www.historicnewengland.org/explore/collections-access/gusn/197659/

Use the + box to enlarge the photos.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Identity Of Trucks On PRR Boxcar 65356?

Bob Chaparro
 

Identity Of Trucks On PRR Boxcar 65356?

Ray Breyer posted this photo on another group. Can any one identify the trucks on this car?

I assume they are an exclusive PRR design.
Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Rio Grande PS1

Ed Hawkins
 



On Feb 18, 2021, at 10:29 AM, Scott <repairman87@...> wrote:

I am not a PS1 expert by any stretch so wondering what version of PS1 the proto photo is of the in EBAY link below?  The DRGW historical site says it was PS1 built in 1948 if that helps.  Comparing the photo to the Kadee cars the Kadee cars have an extra smaller rib on top.  Is there an HO scale model that would be closer to the proto photo?  I would like to add one to my fleet.

Rio Grande Proto photo Ebay link.

Thanks
Scott McDonald 

Scott & others interested,
The Oct. 1966 ORER lists Rio Grande 50150-51499, which were 350 second-hand 40’-6” PS-1 box cars built in 1948 with 7’ door openings. In any event this is after the prescribed STMFC time period.

Because D&RGW 50343 in the ebay link from was built in 1948, a date applicable for STMFC discussion, I’m taking some liberty to provide a limited amount of history. The 10/66 ORER lists the cars as having 10’-6” IH, but 50343 clearly had a 10’-0” IH as the “A” end in the photo lacks having the uppermost 2” corrugation. 

Pullman-Standard built just 3 series (all in 1948) of PS-1 box cars having 10’-0” IH: two for New Haven & one for Delaware, Lackawanna & Western. The 50343 car was built as part of original series NH 34500-34999 (P-S lot 5894) or NH 35000-35999 (P-S lot 5907) that rode on A-3 Ride Control trucks. Of the original 1,500 NH PS-1s built in these two lots, New Haven reported 1,462 cars as being in-service per the Jan. 1960 ORER.

Kadee offers an HO-scale model that’s based on a 10’-6” inside height (IH) PS-1 box car built in 1947-1948 having the 2”-deep uppermost corrugation on both ends and either 6’ or 7’ door openings. I’m unaware of any scale models that represent the relatively-uncommon 40’-6” PS-1 box car having a 10’-0” IH. 


The attached photo illustrates the original appearance, including black doors of the 10’ IH New Haven PS-1. Photo is credited to George Sisk from the Charles E. Winters collection. Other than different paint & lettering, the D&RGW car was essentially unchanged except for the door and end placard boards being lowered per AAR guidance ca. 1954. 

Regards,
Ed Hawkins








Re: pressed steel cars. Was Rio Grande PS1

Brian Carlson
 

For the pressed Steel carsyou could just buy the Yarmouth model works version of the car. They gave 4 versions http://www.yarmouthmodelworks.com/index.php/ResinModelKits/Index

Brian J. Carlson 

On Feb 18, 2021, at 2:37 PM, Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...> wrote:


Scott,

Let me add that AFAIK, the only Rio Grande 40' steel boxcars appropriate to our era of interest were Pressed Steel 12-panel, solid side sill cars with a 10' 4" IH and 6' doors. The closest model I know of were C&BT Shops kits (5/5 or 4/4 ends of 10' 6" IH, but hey, what's two inches between friends?). These were delivered in five lots. 68000-68399 of 1939 had 5/4 Dreadnaught ends (large flat space between the top wale and the running board), Youngstown corrugated doors and wood running boards. 68400-68899 (1940), 68900-69399 (1941) and 69400-69899 (1942) were identical, except for steel running boards, plus 7-panel Superior doors only on the 1942 group. The last lot was delivered in 1946 and had 4/4 improved Dreadnaught ends (top wale slightly trimmed), Youngstown doors, and ASF A-3 Ride Control Trucks. 

The joker in the deck is that ALL these cars had Duryea Cushion Underframes. Kit-bashing this underframe might be why I only did one of these cars. (Some ATSF 12-panel cars had Duryea underframes too, but I balked).

Attached are two cars from the Glenwood Springs outfit train taken from Amtrak's California Zephyr on one of many trips I took to visit my father in California. Best date would be around 2000. AX-68032 is from the 1939 group and is one of the famous Cookie Box conversions. AX-60080 is from the 1946 cars, but has had its door replaced.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆


On Thu, Feb 18, 2021 at 11:29 AM Scott <repairman87@...> wrote:
I am not a PS1 expert by any stretch so wondering what version of PS1 the proto photo is of the in EBAY link below?  The DRGW historical site says it was PS1 built in 1948 if that helps.  Comparing the photo to the Kadee cars the Kadee cars have an extra smaller rib on top.  Is there an HO scale model that would be closer to the proto photo?  I would like to add one to my fleet.

Rio Grande Proto photo Ebay link.

Thanks
Scott McDonald 

<DENVER & RIO GRANDE WESTERN MW BOXCAR AX60080-HD2C.jpg>
<DENVER & RIO GRANDE WESTERN COOKIE BOX 68032-HD1C.jpg>


Re: Rio Grande PS1

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

Scott,

Let me add that AFAIK, the only Rio Grande 40' steel boxcars appropriate to our era of interest were Pressed Steel 12-panel, solid side sill cars with a 10' 4" IH and 6' doors. The closest model I know of were C&BT Shops kits (5/5 or 4/4 ends of 10' 6" IH, but hey, what's two inches between friends?). These were delivered in five lots. 68000-68399 of 1939 had 5/4 Dreadnaught ends (large flat space between the top wale and the running board), Youngstown corrugated doors and wood running boards. 68400-68899 (1940), 68900-69399 (1941) and 69400-69899 (1942) were identical, except for steel running boards, plus 7-panel Superior doors only on the 1942 group. The last lot was delivered in 1946 and had 4/4 improved Dreadnaught ends (top wale slightly trimmed), Youngstown doors, and ASF A-3 Ride Control Trucks. 

The joker in the deck is that ALL these cars had Duryea Cushion Underframes. Kit-bashing this underframe might be why I only did one of these cars. (Some ATSF 12-panel cars had Duryea underframes too, but I balked).

Attached are two cars from the Glenwood Springs outfit train taken from Amtrak's California Zephyr on one of many trips I took to visit my father in California. Best date would be around 2000. AX-68032 is from the 1939 group and is one of the famous Cookie Box conversions. AX-60080 is from the 1946 cars, but has had its door replaced.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆


On Thu, Feb 18, 2021 at 11:29 AM Scott <repairman87@...> wrote:
I am not a PS1 expert by any stretch so wondering what version of PS1 the proto photo is of the in EBAY link below?  The DRGW historical site says it was PS1 built in 1948 if that helps.  Comparing the photo to the Kadee cars the Kadee cars have an extra smaller rib on top.  Is there an HO scale model that would be closer to the proto photo?  I would like to add one to my fleet.

Rio Grande Proto photo Ebay link.

Thanks
Scott McDonald 


Re: Rio Grande PS1

Richard Townsend
 

Here's a McKean version of the taller cars (no warranty of accuracy express or implied):

https://www.ebay.com/itm/MCKEAN-HO-RIO-GRANDE-D-RGW-50263-40-PS-1-BOX-CAR-Kit-NOS-LIMITED-EDITION/383956893219?hash=item59659d3e23:g:x2MAAOSwdNpgHCzS

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: Steve and Barb Hile <shile@...>
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Sent: Thu, Feb 18, 2021 10:57 am
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Rio Grande PS1

In the July 1966 ORER, this cars is part of series 50150-50499, 350 cars with a note to indicate that they are leased, but carry D&RGW reporting marks.
 
So, probably not original Rio Grande cars.
 
Steve Hile 
 
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Schleigh Mike via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2021 11:13 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io; main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Rio Grande PS1
 
Hello Scott & Group!
 
The date of the photo is 1973 and there is a USA map on the side, left of the door suggesting this is a leased car.  There is no entry under D&RGW in the Ed Hawkins list of newly built cars suggesting this car might be  beyond our time frame.  Rio Grande listing in the October 1958 ORER does not show this car.  That this car has a running board suggests that it 'got out there' before 1966 however.  Not sure this helps but it is what it is.
 
Regards from snowy Grove City, Penna. where it is still winter.   Mike Schleigh 
 
 
On Thursday, February 18, 2021, 11:29:36 AM EST, Scott <repairman87@...> wrote:
 
 
I am not a PS1 expert by any stretch so wondering what version of PS1 the proto photo is of the in EBAY link below?  The DRGW historical site says it was PS1 built in 1948 if that helps.  Comparing the photo to the Kadee cars the Kadee cars have an extra smaller rib on top.  Is there an HO scale model that would be closer to the proto photo?  I would like to add one to my fleet.

Rio Grande Proto photo Ebay link.

Thanks
Scott McDonald 


Re: Rio Grande PS1

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

Mike and Scott,

Correct. D&RGW 50150-50499 were leased from USRE in 1966. They were a mixed bag of rebuilt cars, some with a rare 10' IH from the New Haven, and others 10' 6" IH. There are photos of both types and an explanation in Jim Eager's RIO GRANDE COLOR GUIDE TO FREIGHT AND PASSENGER EQUIPMENT (Morning Sun, 1996). Jim says the Grande ended up buying the lot, and some were in MW service for years. I've heard someplace that this lot included some non-PS1s as well, but I can't confirm that.

Garth Groff  🦆

On Thu, Feb 18, 2021 at 12:13 PM Schleigh Mike via groups.io <mike_schleigh=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hello Scott & Group!

The date of the photo is 1973 and there is a USA map on the side, left of the door suggesting this is a leased car.  There is no entry under D&RGW in the Ed Hawkins list of newly built cars suggesting this car might be  beyond our time frame.  Rio Grande listing in the October 1958 ORER does not show this car.  That this car has a running board suggests that it 'got out there' before 1966 however.  Not sure this helps but it is what it is.

Regards from snowy Grove City, Penna. where it is still winter.   Mike Schleigh 


On Thursday, February 18, 2021, 11:29:36 AM EST, Scott <repairman87@...> wrote:


I am not a PS1 expert by any stretch so wondering what version of PS1 the proto photo is of the in EBAY link below?  The DRGW historical site says it was PS1 built in 1948 if that helps.  Comparing the photo to the Kadee cars the Kadee cars have an extra smaller rib on top.  Is there an HO scale model that would be closer to the proto photo?  I would like to add one to my fleet.

Rio Grande Proto photo Ebay link.

Thanks
Scott McDonald 


Re: Rio Grande PS1

Steve and Barb Hile
 

In the July 1966 ORER, this cars is part of series 50150-50499, 350 cars with a note to indicate that they are leased, but carry D&RGW reporting marks.

 

So, probably not original Rio Grande cars.

 

Steve Hile

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Schleigh Mike via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2021 11:13 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io; main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Rio Grande PS1

 

Hello Scott & Group!

 

The date of the photo is 1973 and there is a USA map on the side, left of the door suggesting this is a leased car.  There is no entry under D&RGW in the Ed Hawkins list of newly built cars suggesting this car might be  beyond our time frame.  Rio Grande listing in the October 1958 ORER does not show this car.  That this car has a running board suggests that it 'got out there' before 1966 however.  Not sure this helps but it is what it is.

 

Regards from snowy Grove City, Penna. where it is still winter.   Mike Schleigh 

 

 

On Thursday, February 18, 2021, 11:29:36 AM EST, Scott <repairman87@...> wrote:

 

 

I am not a PS1 expert by any stretch so wondering what version of PS1 the proto photo is of the in EBAY link below?  The DRGW historical site says it was PS1 built in 1948 if that helps.  Comparing the photo to the Kadee cars the Kadee cars have an extra smaller rib on top.  Is there an HO scale model that would be closer to the proto photo?  I would like to add one to my fleet.

Rio Grande Proto photo Ebay link.

Thanks
Scott McDonald 


Re: L&N Woodrack -- 2

O Fenton Wells
 

They look great Bob, thanks for sharing

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