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Unfinished project from Jim Hayes

Andy Carlson
 

Schuyler asked about the stock car kit Jim Hayes had partially assembled. It is a 55xxx series of GN, rebuilt from a box car, stock car done in 1958. These were the only 40' GN stock cars with steel doors, reused from the donor box cars.

About 20 years ago I made this kit in resin from my Mid-Century Models line and sold a few before I left the resin market. Jim's purchase was from that long-ago time.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

On Sunday, March 28, 2021, 12:48:01 PM PDT, Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io <schuyler.larrabee@...> wrote:


What is the origin of the kit?

Schuyler

 


Subject: [RealSTMFC] Unfinished project from Jim Hayes

 

Before his passing, Jim Hayes sent me a picture of a kit he purchased from me decades ago. It is a GN 1958 built stock car, rebuilt from GN's 31000 series of 40' Z-bar Pratt truss SS box cars. GN converted over 1000 box cars into stock cars in the late 1950s. Donors were USRA DS cars, 1937-1942 DS 45000 series of box cars plus the above mentioned series. They even famously made long glacier green painted stock cars from mating pairs of 40' box car donors.

 

Jim and I had quite a few phone calls together in his last months--made me wish we had visited years earlier. I met Jim at a Naperville RPM met and he was always easy to converse with. I already miss his late evening phone calls.

-Andy Carlson

Ojai CA

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Re: Looking for O Scale Intermountain Reefer Kit instructions

Allan Smith
 

Attached are the IM PFE Reefer plans.
 AL Smith
Sonora CA

On Saturday, March 27, 2021, 05:21:09 PM PDT, William Hirt <whirt@...> wrote:


I just had a friend call me and he has been given an Intermountain O
Scale reefer kit to assemble. It is factory painted BREX. The kit has no
instruction sheet(s). Does anyone have any of these reefer kits so that
they could scan and send me the instructions? I can then print them out
for him.

Many thanks,

Bill Hirt







Re: Buckeye box car ends?

Benjamin Hom
 

Irv Thomae asked: 
"Can anyone suggest where I might be able to buy one HO-scale pair of Buckeye car ends, appropriate for the 500 "1937" AAR boxcars built for the Erie RR in June 1936?   I'd really like to have one of those cars on my 1940-41 era northern New England layout, but I have so many projects already that scratchbuilding such ends is just not an option for me."

Why not use the ones from the Funaro Erie milk car?  They're the 3/3 Buckeye ends from the 1932 ARA cars, so you'll need two pairs to splice into the taller ends for the Erie 78000-series cars.  These also have the Viking roof that you'll need as well.  These kits have been in his line for a while now, and have likely been offered as polybagged flat kits, so you should be able to get a kit at a reasonable price.  Contact Steve to see if he'll sell you an extra pair of ends.

"Didn't that earlier group have reverse-Buckeye rather than Buckeye ends?"


Buckeye box car ends?

irv_thomae
 

Can anyone suggest where I might be able to buy one HO-scale pair of Buckeye car ends, appropriate for the 500 "1937" AAR boxcars built for the Erie RR in June 1936?   I'd really like to have one of those cars on my 1940-41 era northern New England layout, but I have so many projects already that scratchbuilding such ends is just not an option for me.
  From searching this forum's archive, I am also aware that not too long ago Atlas offered a series of undecorated kits for the 1932 ARA  boxcar, and that "Style 4" in that series, which does have Buckeye ends, is considered a pretty decent match for the Erie's ARA cars.   However, I haven't been able to find that kit for sale anywhere.   (Didn't that earlier group have reverse-Buckeye rather than Buckeye ends?   But I guess I'd be happy to have either version.)

Thanks,
Irv Thomae


Flat cars

Steve Summers
 

I’m looking for some information about three flat cars and hoping someone might have a diagram and possibly a picture of a sister car in the same class for:

Seaboard Air Line 12265
Richmond, Fredericksburg, & Potomac 1024
SL&SF 94357

Anyone having anything on any of these cars please contact me off list.

Steve
summers1218@yahoo.com


Re: 1953 Western Maryland Box Car Warren Mills Pa. Wreck

Tim O'Connor
 

Claus

You might have mentioned the photo shows a SOUTHERN PACIFIC A-50-12 box car. :-D

(Easily modeled in HO with a modified Proto 2000 car, or with the Sunshine kit.)

Thanks

Tim O'Connor

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On 3/27/2021 10:25 AM, Claus Schlund wrote:
Hi List Members,
 
1953 Western Maryland Box Car Warren Mills Pa. Wreck
 
 
More info at the link below...
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Photo: Barrett Tank Car BMX 5281 (Tarvia)

Dave Parker
 

I talked about this car in my Barrett clinic during the January Hindsight gathering.  It's an early AC&F Type 27 car, built on the shorter underframe that is almost indistinguishable from the Type 21 frame.

There were only 100 such cars in this group (5207-5306).  This is yet another example where relying on the ORERs can be misleading;  either the tank-car tariffs or the AC&F lot list can provide the correct car count here.

--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA


Re: Photo: Barrett Tank Car BMX 5281 (Tarvia)

Tim O'Connor
 


The jacket on an insulated car is not structural. So even if the jacket is welded (and it's evidently
not entirely welded) the actual tank underneath may still be riveted.


On 3/28/2021 2:18 PM, Bob Chaparro via groups.io wrote:

Photo: Barrett Tank Car BMX 5281 (Tarvia)

A photo from the Barriger Library:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/32067232467/

AC&F builder’s photo from 1928.

Car appears to be a welded design, ICC-103.

Heater pipes.

Part of series 5001-5366. 338 cars in this series listed in 1955 Equipment Register.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA



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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Unfinished project from Jim Hayes

Schuyler Larrabee
 

What is the origin of the kit?

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Andy Carlson
Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2021 3:54 PM
To: STMFC <realstmfc@groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Unfinished project from Jim Hayes

 

Before his passing, Jim Hayes sent me a picture of a kit he purchased from me decades ago. It is a GN 1958 built stock car, rebuilt from GN's 31000 series of 40' Z-bar Pratt truss SS box cars. GN converted over 1000 box cars into stock cars in the late 1950s. Donors were USRA DS cars, 1937-1942 DS 45000 series of box cars plus the above mentioned series. They even famously made long glacier green painted stock cars from mating pairs of 40' box car donors.

 

Jim and I had quite a few phone calls together in his last months--made me wish we had visited years earlier. I met Jim at a Naperville RPM met and he was always easy to converse with. I already miss his late evening phone calls.

-Andy Carlson

Ojai CA

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Re: Help dating this photo

lrkdbn
 

I don't have an exact date ,but the "S" prefix was no longer used by the mid 30's. Actually though that hopper
looks more like the very late 30's and later NYC offset side hoppers.The 1920's era offset side hoppers that would have had "S" numbers also would have had vertical shaft/horizontal wheel hand brakes.
Larry King


Photo: Barrett Tank Car BMX 5281 (Tarvia)

Bob Chaparro
 
Edited

Photo: Barrett Tank Car BMX 5281 (Tarvia)

A photo from the Barriger Library:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/32067232467/

AC&F builder’s photo from 1928. ICC-103.

Heater pipes.

Part of series 5001-5366. 338 cars in this series listed in 1955 Equipment Register.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Vallejo paint

Ken Adams
 

Aha...someone else has discovered the Vallejo 70.814 as an excellent SP Freight car red. I don't airbrush (I used to, but for many reasons gave up the habit) but have found that using the Tamiya Oxide primer and then a wash of the burnt red is an excellent substitute for PBL Star Brand  SP-UP FCR.  
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Ken Adams
Still in splendid Shelter In Place solitude, about half way up Walnut Creek
Owner PlasticFreightCarBuilders@groups.io


Photo: Aqua Ammonia Tank Car

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Aqua Ammonia Tank Car

A photo from the Barriger Library:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/49619144341/

Note stenciling.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: Sulphuric Acid Tank Car – Reservation Required

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Sulphuric Acid Tank Car – Reservation Required

A photo from the Barriger Library:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/49619405502/

Note stenciling.

Information on the ordinance plant:

https://encyclopediaofarkansas.net/entries/world-war-ii-ordnance-plants-373/

Scroll down.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Trio of UP tank cars...

Tim O'Connor
 


Garth the UP O-50-6 was a later car, and really didn't look much like these cars although they
were about the same gallonage.

Tim O'Connor


On 3/28/2021 12:04 PM, Garth Groff and Sally Sanford wrote:
Tim,

The lead car appears to be UP 69247, which was part of series 69200-69295. My ORER doesn't give the gallonage, but the tank was 35' X 7' 11". I will come back to this in a moment.

The middle car is UP 69701, which came from series 69500-67740. It had the same size tank, and is clearly marked for 12,642 gallons, so we may assume that 69247 has a similar volume. UP 69247 has a taller expansion dome, and probably is a bit older than the middle car, or the car on the left. 

All three tanks are similar to the old Athearn single-dome tank car. Kit bashing similar SP cars from the Athearn model was covered by the late Richard Hendrickson in the August 1996 RMJ. The SP cars were class O-50-12 of 1928 at 12,526 gallons, and O-50-13 of 1942 at 12,515 gallons.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Sun, Mar 28, 2021 at 9:34 AM Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

I don't know much about UP tank cars but these appear to be rebuilds (old tank
on a new underframe?). It's just a guess, but they are 4-course tanks and have the
open-grid walkways that became mandated for new tank cars in the 1940's.

Tim O'Connor


On 3/27/2021 3:16 PM, Claus Schlund wrote:
Hi List Members,
 
Trio of UP tank cars...
 
 
More info at the link below...
 


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Trio of UP tank cars...

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
 

Tim,

The lead car appears to be UP 69247, which was part of series 69200-69295. My ORER doesn't give the gallonage, but the tank was 35' X 7' 11". I will come back to this in a moment.

The middle car is UP 69701, which came from series 69500-67740. It had the same size tank, and is clearly marked for 12,642 gallons, so we may assume that 69247 has a similar volume. UP 69247 has a taller expansion dome, and probably is a bit older than the middle car, or the car on the left. 

All three tanks are similar to the old Athearn single-dome tank car. Kit bashing similar SP cars from the Athearn model was covered by the late Richard Hendrickson in the August 1996 RMJ. The SP cars were class O-50-12 of 1928 at 12,526 gallons, and O-50-13 of 1942 at 12,515 gallons.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Sun, Mar 28, 2021 at 9:34 AM Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

I don't know much about UP tank cars but these appear to be rebuilds (old tank
on a new underframe?). It's just a guess, but they are 4-course tanks and have the
open-grid walkways that became mandated for new tank cars in the 1940's.

Tim O'Connor


On 3/27/2021 3:16 PM, Claus Schlund wrote:
Hi List Members,
 
Trio of UP tank cars...
 
 
More info at the link below...
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Louisiana Western

Tim O'Connor
 


This advertisement showing an "LW" gondola - clearly an SP subsidiary - led me to find
this information online. It appears to be a standing project of the "Wiki Project" (disclaimer
I make monthly small $ contributions to Wikimedia). There were thousands of small railroad
companies way back when. :-)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Trains/ICC_valuations/Louisiana_Western_Railroad

Tim O'Connor


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Help dating this photo

Clark Propst
 

I figure the best way to date this photo is to asked when the NYC did away with their S prefix? Sure appears the closest hopper's number starts with an S? The hopper in front of it is a panel side. A 1930s aerial photos shows the stock pens, they are gone in a 1950s aerial.

Any help would be greatly appreciated,
Clark Propst 


Re: Photo: SP Hi-Cube Boxcar (1955)

Tim O'Connor
 


The car definitely received a running board. (I have another photo.) The car is especially
interesting because it is a superstructure built on a FLAT CAR underframe. Whitehead &
Kales is mostly known for building autoracks on flat cars.

Tim O'Connor


On 3/27/2021 5:24 PM, Marc Truitt via groups.io wrote:
If I'm correctly reading the road number on the car end, it appears to be SP 615200, built by Whitehead & Kales in early 1963.  These cars are treated at length in Anthony Thompson's SP Freight Cars, vol. 4.

One thing that leaves me a bit confused is that the pictures of this car in Thompson's book appear to show it lacking a roof walk, both at the builder (pg. 446) and early in its service life in 1965 (pg. 444).  But in the link posted to the list, it has a roof walk.  Perhaps I'm missing something... or misreading the car number?

Anyway, to answer the question, 1955 is too early for this car.

Marc Truitt
Sackville, NB (Canada)
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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Trio of UP tank cars...

Tim O'Connor
 


I don't know much about UP tank cars but these appear to be rebuilds (old tank
on a new underframe?). It's just a guess, but they are 4-course tanks and have the
open-grid walkways that became mandated for new tank cars in the 1940's.

Tim O'Connor


On 3/27/2021 3:16 PM, Claus Schlund wrote:
Hi List Members,
 
Trio of UP tank cars...
 
 
More info at the link below...
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

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