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New GATC 8,000 Gallon 1917-Design Radial Course Tank Car

Tangent Scale Models
 

Tangent Scale Models is proud to introduce our next production of General American 8,000 Gallon 1917-Design Radial Course Tank Cars. 

 

By the end of World War I, U.S. production of oil and oil-related products was sharply increasing thanks to the combination of war-related demands as well as demands from home.  In order to move oil and new consumer products, tank car producers introduced new car designs.  In 1917 General American Tank Car produced a new general service 8,000 gallon non-insulated tank car.  Built in East Chicago, IN, these cars were easily identifiable by their circumferential rivets that surrounded the tank body, with notably different heights between the courses.  These “radial course” tank cars utilized steel bolster plates that rise up vertically to hold the tank in place, complete with a “web” section behind to minimize steel consumption.  At a time of fairly monochromatic box cars plying the rails, most consumable products and oil shippers proudly displayed their company markings on the tanks.  The GATC 1917-design prototypes were the most prolific tank cars built during this period and were found everywhere from 1917 to roughly 1970, including across the border in Canada. 

 

The Tangent Scale Models GATC 1917-Design 8,000 Gallon General Service Tank Car is a highly-detailed tank car model that includes details accurate for each paint scheme, including KC- or AB-brake variations, with or without Cardwell draft sill springs, and different hand brakes.  Other visually-distinctive details for our models include the “see through” bolster section, circumferential rivets, and differing course heights.  Our RTR models include correct “true-to-life” colors and “hyper-accurate” lettering including exact fonts and lettering placement.  Finally, our scale replicas operate as well as they look, equipped with free-rolling all-metal wheels and Kadee® scale couplers, meaning our models are truly ready to run.  

           

Whether wearing “plain” GATX black lease colors or the colors of a lessee, these replicas will certainly be eye-catchers on your layout!  Check out the radial courses – they look like nothing else in HO!  Our new ready to operate replicas are in stock and available for sale at www.tangentscalemodels.com.  That’s right, no preorders! 

 

Our October 2020 release includes the following five paint schemes:

 

- CGTX "1955+ Lease" is our offering for the Canadian modelers out there who have been requesting “Canadian” tank cars!  We have listened.  CGTX are the reporting marks for Canadian General Transit Company, who was the largest operator of private tank cars in Canada.  This model is offered in the “plain leaser” CGTX scheme from 1955 and was stenciled from actual photos (see our website).  These CGTX cars were nationwide roamers for decades of service.  Our Canadian General Transit Company 1955+ cars come with era-correct AB-brakes and are available in six road numbers.  Because each real tank car was formed by hand and had individual gallon notations stenciled on each end of the car, all six of our models have the correct gallons stenciled on each end – including both imperial gallons and US gallons in typical CGTX style.  Yup, we did the research so you don’t have to!  While these models will not be as popular as coffee from Tim Horton’s, don’t miss out, eh?

 

- GATX "1936+ Lease" is available for US and Canadian modelers that are looking to bolster their fleet of “plain black” tank cars.  This offering is a 1936+ “plain” offering that has nationwide usage implications and will be welcome on any layout.  Because each real tank car was formed by hand and had individual gallon notations stenciled on each end of the car, all six of our models have the correct gallons stenciled on each end.  These models come with an era-correct K brake system, and are available in six road numbers, plus a bonus seventh number: see our next entry.

 

- GATX "Wadhams Oil East Chicago IN 1936+" is available in this run and is based upon the photo we have posted on our website.  It is a “plain black” car similar to the “1936+ lease” cars described above, but with small lessee stenciling for Wadhams Oil, located in East Chicago, IN.  This model comes with an era-correct K brake system, and is available in one road number.

 

- TROX "Marathon 1926+" is especially of interest to fans of UTLX “plain black” tank cars.  Why?  Read on.  This car is stenciled “Transcontinental Oil Company – Marathon Products – Products Tank Line in a bright red, black, and white scheme, complete with the Marathon Products logo: “Best in the long run!”  This is the epitome of a “billboard” tank car typical of the 1920s period.  Products Tank Line was a wholly-owned subsidiary of Union Tank Line (aka UTLX) in 1926, so it is likely these models can find a home with the UTLX cars on your layout.  This model comes with an era-correct K brake system, and is available in three road numbers.

 

- Spokane, Portland, and Seattle "Water Service 1964+" is available now as our “MOW” offering for Spokane, Portland, and Seattle (SP&S) and Burlington Northern (BN) modelers alike.  The arid grasslands surrounding the SP&S mainline in Washington state called for a fleet of tank cars to provide water for extinguishing fires that might occur along the right of way.  Each was painted slightly differently, and each tank in the fleet was sourced individually, however this car is a ringer for the Tangent Scale Models 1917-design cars, so here it is, available now in one road number.  These cars lasted into the BN years.  Don’t miss our first SP&S offering!

 

Features for these awesome replicas include:

- Circumferential riveted tank body and riveted underframe (count ‘em, there are many!)

- Radial course tank body – note the “stairstep” appearance!

- All-new underframe for the GATC 1917-design

- “See-through” cast knee above the bolsters

- Accurate dome appliances

- Dimensionally-correct hazardous placards with accurate hole detail

- Separately applied tank handrail

- Separately applied tank strap detail

- KC- or AB- brake variations depending on the prototype car

- Inclusion of Cardwell draft sill springs depending on the prototype car, otherwise “oval” frame openings where the springs were removed

- Different hand brake appliance options depending on the prototype car

- Highly correct “true to life” colors

- “Hyper-Accurate” lettering including exact fonts and lettering placement, including lettering applied to the underframe and air reservoir

- Durable wire grab irons and coupler lift bars

- Separate air hoses

- “Near-scale” draft gear box with side detail

- Kadee® “scale-head” couplers

- CNC-machined 33” wheels in high-quality Tangent Scale Models ASF cast steel truck with spring plank and with separate brake beams

- Replacement semi-scale wheels available separately from Tangent

- Multiple road numbers for each scheme - these cars often traveled in "groups" of more than one

- Recommended age 14 years and older

 

Don’t miss out on the Tangent Scale Models General American 8,000 gallon 1917-design radial course tank car!  Just like its prototype, this car will stand out on any layout situated from 1917 to 1970, and they went everywhere!

 

Pricing for RTR models is $44.95.  High-resolution images showing these fine replicas are available at www.tangentscalemodels.com and our site also includes prototype images for your reference as well.

 

That wraps up our update for today, and thank you for supporting the family-owned businesses in our industry! 

 

David Lehlbach
Tangent Scale Models


Re: GATX fleet breakdown?

Tangent Scale Models
 

Bruce,

Um, how do you attribute the GATC 1917-Design to being "a minority car?"  I am curious, do you have any numbers to back that statement up? 

Best wishes,

David Lehlbach
Tangent Scale Models


Re: GATX fleet breakdown?

Tangent Scale Models
 

Eric Hansmann said:

"FYI, Tangent has released two tank sizes of these GATX type 17 prototypes; 8,000 and 10,000 gallon versions".

Actually Eric, we have released three.  Aside from the two non-insulated tank body versions you mention, we have also released an insulated tank body version:
Info here: https://www.tangentscalemodels.com/general-american-8000-gallon-1917-design-insulated-radial-course-tank-car/
Sold out cars here: https://www.tangentscalemodels.com/product-category/sold-out/sold-out-general-american-1917-design-8000-gallon-insulated-tank-car/

Thank you,

David Lehlbach
Tangent Scale Models


Re: GATX fleet breakdown?

Eric Hansmann
 

FYI, Tangent has released two tank sizes of these GATX type 17 prototypes; 8,000 and 10,000 gallon versions. 

Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On Oct 1, 2020, at 1:50 PM, nyc3001 . <nyc3001@...> wrote:

Now that Tangent has released the plain black GATX version of the Type 17, the possibility of building a credible fleet of many types of GA tank cars is becoming possible. Does anyone have a fleet breakdown of the various types of GA tanks in the early 1950s?

-Phil


Re: GATX fleet breakdown?

nyc3001 .
 

Thanks guys. It appears that the GATX fleet was much more varied than I initially thought. Reexamination of the various solid blocks of GATX tank cars in many consists is probably in order.

-Phil


Re: GATX fleet breakdown?

Bruce Smith
 

Phil,

On a practical level, the cars modeled by Tangent are a 1917 design so they are technologically outdated by WWII, and that is also reflected in the radial course design. The later GATC (and folks, it is General (formerly German) American Tank car Corporation) that BUILT the cars, some of which ran under GATX reporting marks) longitudinal course cars (aka type 30 and others) are modernized cars that replaced or supplemented the type 17 cars beginning in 1930.

I too have yet to see a fleet breakdown of the GATX fleet. “somebody” needs to write a book! ;)

Now, if you’re talking about the entire tank car fleet, every addition helps with variety and the GATC type 17 is no exception. The two BIG holes in a steam era tank car fleet are a plastic GATC type 30 and plastic UTL X-3. Both have been done in resin, but neither are readily available or easy to assemble. With resin offerings from SCF, Resin Freight Cars, Speedwitch, etc… mixed into the fleet, you can have a nicely varied group of cars to break up the AC&F type 21s (P2K/Walthers) and type 27s (Intermountain). Just don’t show up with any (or maybe more than one) Tichy (lovely car that it is) or Red Caboose tank car. 

Regards,
Bruce

On Oct 1, 2020, at 2:20 PM, nyc3001 . <nyc3001@...> wrote:

Bruce,

I was unaware that this was a minority car. It just appeared to me that because of the varied types of STC cars from SC&F and GATC cars from Tangent that a variegated fleet could be composed. For my modeling locale (Buffalo area), it just so happens that most of the tanks that Tangent has released are needed based on photographic evidence and freight consists, but I realize that the majority of modelers may not be modeling areas near electrochemical facilities. At any rate, I do not know much about the fleet breakdown of GATX cars, which is why I asked.

-Phil


Re: GATX fleet breakdown?

Brian Carlson
 

First is not GATX. It’s CGTX. The poster was asking about GATX. 

The Type 17’s would be in the tariff but I haven’t tried to figure out fleets. To me it’s a rabbit-hole that would never end and if you’ve seen my clinics you know I’m a data guy. 

Brian J. Carlson 

On Oct 1, 2020, at 3:05 PM, Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io <schuyler.larrabee@...> wrote:



Except the first, which is a 1955 and later scheme.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Carlson via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2020 2:58 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] GATX fleet breakdown?

 

The GATX cars released all have k brakes. 

Brian J. Carlson 



On Oct 1, 2020, at 2:50 PM, nyc3001 . <nyc3001@...> wrote:

Now that Tangent has released the plain black GATX version of the Type 17, the possibility of building a credible fleet of many types of GA tank cars is becoming possible. Does anyone have a fleet breakdown of the various types of GA tanks in the early 1950s?

-Phil


Re: GATX fleet breakdown?

Dave Parker
 

Phil, that may be possible, but I haven't tried it either.  My comments pertained to RTRs and out-of-the-box kits.

Even with the Tangent 1917 design cars, I don't have a good sense of how many of them existed relative to things like the UTLX class X and X-3 designs.  There are some clues in the Railway Age annual tabulations of car orders, but even those require guesswork as to exactly what was built for each buyer.  We do know that the 1917 design did not last long, something on the order of 3-4 years before it was superseded by the longitudinal-course cars.
--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA


Re: GATX fleet breakdown?

nyc3001 .
 
Edited

Dave,

If I'm not mistaken, David Lehlbach has identified the possibility of modeling at least some of the 1920s longitudinal-course cars by mating an Intermountain tank with a Tangent Type 17 underframe. I have not tried this and should probably look at more photos to ascertain the details of the longitudinal-course cars.

-Phil


Re: GATX fleet breakdown?

Dave Parker
 

I'm with Bruce on this.  In addition to the (good luck!) Sunshine Type 30s, there are no models for the many 1920s cars with longitudinal course.  We see them in photos, we know they existed, but.....

I have never seen anything that would readily yield a systematic breakdown of the GATX fleet (I am assuming that what is meant by GA here).  There may be some clues in the various tariffs, but I think they will be on the ambiguous side.  Between 1930 and 1935, the GATX fleet almost doubled, and then increased by another ~50% by 1945.  They swallowed up  smaller, struggling leasing companies during the depression, and purchase-lease back arrangements occurred as well.  Thus, the ~38,000 cars owned by GA in 1945 were likely something of a dog's breakfast, not easily sorted out.

This is in stark contrast to the UTLX fleet which, as Steve Hile's book tells us, is quite well documented throughout the steam era.
--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA


Re: GATX fleet breakdown?

nyc3001 .
 

Bruce,

I was unaware that this was a minority car. It just appeared to me that because of the varied types of STC cars from SC&F and GATC cars from Tangent that a variegated fleet could be composed. For my modeling locale (Buffalo area), it just so happens that most of the tanks that Tangent has released are needed based on photographic evidence and freight consists, but I realize that the majority of modelers may not be modeling areas near electrochemical facilities. At any rate, I do not know much about the fleet breakdown of GATX cars, which is why I asked.

-Phil


Re: GATX fleet breakdown?

Tony Thompson
 

Bruce Smith wrote:

Um, how does the advent of a single car type in the vastness of the General American fleet make it possible to build “a credible fleet of many types of GA tank cars”? I mean, it’s great that we now have the GATC Type 17, but even in the late1930s, it's a minority car. I guess if you got lucky enough to get some GATC Type 30 cars from Sunshine for the brief time they were available, that would help a lot, but for the rest of us, we got nothing…

  Well said, Mr. Smith.

Tony Thompson




Re: GATX fleet breakdown?

Bruce Smith
 

Phil,

Um, how does the advent of a single car type in the vastness of the General American fleet make it possible to build “a credible fleet of many types of GA tank cars”? I mean, it’s great that we now have the GATC Type 17, but even in the late1930s, it's a minority car. I guess if you got lucky enough to get some GATC Type 30 cars from Sunshine for the brief time they were available, that would help a lot, but for the rest of us, we got nothing…

Regards,
Bruce
Bruce Smith
Auburn AL

On Oct 1, 2020, at 1:50 PM, nyc3001 . <nyc3001@...> wrote:

Now that Tangent has released the plain black GATX version of the Type 17, the possibility of building a credible fleet of many types of GA tank cars is becoming possible. Does anyone have a fleet breakdown of the various types of GA tanks in the early 1950s?

-Phil


Re: GATX fleet breakdown?

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Except the first, which is a 1955 and later scheme.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Carlson via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2020 2:58 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] GATX fleet breakdown?

 

The GATX cars released all have k brakes. 

Brian J. Carlson 



On Oct 1, 2020, at 2:50 PM, nyc3001 . <nyc3001@...> wrote:

Now that Tangent has released the plain black GATX version of the Type 17, the possibility of building a credible fleet of many types of GA tank cars is becoming possible. Does anyone have a fleet breakdown of the various types of GA tanks in the early 1950s?

-Phil


Re: GATX fleet breakdown?

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Yes, I’d like to see this too, though extending back into the mid-40s would be of greater interest.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of nyc3001 .
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2020 2:51 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] GATX fleet breakdown?

 

Now that Tangent has released the plain black GATX version of the Type 17, the possibility of building a credible fleet of many types of GA tank cars is becoming possible. Does anyone have a fleet breakdown of the various types of GA tanks in the early 1950s?

-Phil


Re: GATX fleet breakdown?

Brian Carlson
 

The GATX cars released all have k brakes. 

Brian J. Carlson 

On Oct 1, 2020, at 2:50 PM, nyc3001 . <nyc3001@...> wrote:

Now that Tangent has released the plain black GATX version of the Type 17, the possibility of building a credible fleet of many types of GA tank cars is becoming possible. Does anyone have a fleet breakdown of the various types of GA tanks in the early 1950s?

-Phil


Photo: Chicago, Milwaukee & Puget Sound Boxcar (Circa 1910)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Chicago, Milwaukee & Puget Sound Boxcar (Circa 1910)

A photo from the Detroit Public Library:

https://digitalcollections.detroitpubliclibrary.org/islandora/object/islandora%3A176589

Click and hold to enlarge photo.

Caption:

View of men loading motor vehicle frames onto 1910 Grabowsky truck owned by Regal Motor Car Company. "Regal Motor Car Co." painted on side of truck; Chicago, Milwaukee and Puget Sound railroad cars in background. Stamped on back: "Spooner & Wells, Inc., photographers, telephone North 1745. 1231 Woodward Ave., Detroit, Mich. Detroit, 1231 Woodward, New York, 1931 Broadway." Handwritten on back: "Motor trucks--Grabowsky, 1910."

Notice the placard: "Unload From This Door"

Note the Chicago, Milwaukee & Puget Sound Railway boxcar. This railway began operations in 1909 and stopped service in 1912. One source says the company had routes Idaho, Montana, North Dakota, South Dakota, Washington while another extends the road into Chicago. This corporate entity was folded into its parent company, the Milwaukee Road, in 1912.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: GATX 15039/Mid-Co Tank Car (1919)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: GATX 15039/Mid-Co Tank Car (1919)

A photo from the Detroit Public Library:

https://digitalcollections.detroitpubliclibrary.org/islandora/object/islandora%3A214706

Click and hold to enlarge photo.

Caption:

View of the Maxwell Motor Company factory during construction. Mid-Co. tank car on railroad tracks in background. Printed on front: "May 7, 1919." Handwritten on back: "Factories--Maxwell."

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


GATX fleet breakdown?

nyc3001 .
 
Edited

Now that Tangent has released the plain black GATX version of the Type 17, the possibility of building a credible fleet of many types of GA tank cars is near to realization. Does anyone have a fleet breakdown of the various types of GA tanks in the early 1950s?

-Phil


Wegman PFE parts

Andy Carlson
 

My reply to a request for Wegmann R-30-18(19; 21) reefer parts.

Fenton-
Before Terry died, I had enough parts for well over 100 reefers. I got requests for parts, and slowly roofs and frames and floors drifted out of the parts boxes. I always thought I would simply get replacement parts from Terry someday, but his passing eliminated that possibility. Then after Dick Harley bought the Wegmann tooling, I thought he could be a source for parts, but Dick specifically posted to the STMFC list that he wasn't going to be in a position to be offering any parts, and don't ask.

So there I am, with dozens of reefers without roofs, floors and frames. Sorry that can't be of any help to you.

regards,
-Andy

On Thursday, October 1, 2020, 8:47:16 AM PDT, O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...> wrote:


Ted mentioned on the Saturday Hindsight call that you probably had Wegman parts.  If you have enough to do a PFE reefer let me know as I would be interested.  I don't know much about these so I may not understand what is availabel and what is required.
Fenton


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