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Re: L&N Woodracks -- 1

Bob Chapman
 

Clark --
 
Interesting idea! Next time....
 
BobChapman
 
 
At first glance I thought the ends were from a P2K stock car…But that would be way too easy ; ) )


Photo: Santa Fe Automobile Boxcar Class Fe-N (Circa 1930s)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Santa Fe Automobile Boxcar Class Fe-N (Circa 1930s)

A photo from the Arizona Memory Project:

https://azmemory.azlibrary.gov/digital/collection/ahfrein/id/147/rec/112

Revisiting a previous post (05/22/09   #81648) with a bit more information.

Not a great photo but it can be enlarged. Use arrows and then scroll. Suggest photo editing software to improve the image if you save it.

Description:  

"A Kinner American Eagle being unloaded  from a boxcar at the Phoenix railroad docks.  Shipping by train was just as economical as flying and offered less exposure to the aircraft.  The wings and props were crated and the fuselage covered and wheels blocked."

This is a forty-foot, forty-ton steel underframe car built 7-13 by AC&F. The plate steel end doors on this class had alignment problems due to the flexibility of their wood framed superstructures.

There were just over 1,000 Fe-N cars in the class. Very few survived into the 1940s.

I found a reference to the Kinner American Eagle airplane dating back to 1929 and several from the early 1930s. Another source said the model designation didn't appear until late 1927. Photo:

amereagle_429.jpg (432×196) (aerofiles.com)

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: GN wood sheathed boxcar

gtws00
 

Nicely Done! Great looking car.
George Toman
Willow Springs, IL


Re: ACL paint scheme

Matthew Hurst
 

Thank you for the response Ed. 

That is a great help. 

Regards 

Matthew Hurst
PRRT&HS #6799


On Feb 16, 2021, at 2:37 PM, Ed Hawkins <hawk0621@...> wrote:



On Feb 16, 2021, at 8:27 AM, Matthew Hurst <handbt33@...> wrote:

Would anyone know what color the ACL painted their 40’ flatcars in the mid 1940’s?

Thanks in advance 

Matthew Hurst
PRRT&HS #6799

Matthew,
Throughout the 1940s-1950s, ACL’s flat cars & other open-type cars were typically black with white stencils. Some cars received black paint as the final finish coat while others received black car cement as the final coat.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Re: Wilson reefers.

O Fenton Wells
 

Arnold Menke has photos of Wilson reefers for sale <waspman@...>
as does Bob's photos (606) 845 3323
Fenton

On Tue, Feb 16, 2021 at 10:16 PM John Hile via groups.io <john66h=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:
Here is a list of wood Wlson car pics from a few sources:

WCL      4218    Billboard Refrigerator Cars    builder photo
WCL      4828    Billboard Refrigerator Cars    1930's    truss rod
WCL      7554    RMJ Aug 1996            1933
WCL      7554    Billboard Refrigerator Cars    1930's
WCLX    8643    Billboard Refrigerator Cars    repainted may 1952
WCLX    8688    Billboard Refrigerator Cars    repainted june 1950
WCLX    8884    RMJ Aug 1996            Kansas City, 1950
WCLX    8966    Postwar Freight Car Fleet, p117    Reading Rutherford Yard, 3/14/48
WCLX    9258    RMJ Aug 1996            San Fran, 1954
WCLX    9350    Refrigerator Car Color Guide    Cedar Rapids, 1961
WCLX    9458    Refrigerator Car Color Guide    after 12-50?
WCLX    9487    Billboard Refrigerator Cars    1958
WCLX    9489    Billboard Refrigerator Cars    May 1961, color
WCLX    9556    Refrigerator Car Color Guide    May-60


John Hile



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Re: Wilson reefers.

Steve and Barb Hile
 

For the RMJ entries, look in October 1996.

 

Steve Hile

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of John Hile via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2021 9:16 PM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Wilson reefers.

 

Here is a list of wood Wlson car pics from a few sources:

WCL      4218    Billboard Refrigerator Cars    builder photo
WCL      4828    Billboard Refrigerator Cars    1930's    truss rod
WCL      7554    RMJ Aug 1996            1933
WCL      7554    Billboard Refrigerator Cars    1930's
WCLX    8643    Billboard Refrigerator Cars    repainted may 1952
WCLX    8688    Billboard Refrigerator Cars    repainted june 1950
WCLX    8884    RMJ Aug 1996            Kansas City, 1950
WCLX    8966    Postwar Freight Car Fleet, p117    Reading Rutherford Yard, 3/14/48
WCLX    9258    RMJ Aug 1996            San Fran, 1954
WCLX    9350    Refrigerator Car Color Guide    Cedar Rapids, 1961
WCLX    9458    Refrigerator Car Color Guide    after 12-50?
WCLX    9487    Billboard Refrigerator Cars    1958
WCLX    9489    Billboard Refrigerator Cars    May 1961, color
WCLX    9556    Refrigerator Car Color Guide    May-60


John Hile


Re: Wilson reefers.

John Hile
 

Here is a list of wood Wlson car pics from a few sources:

WCL      4218    Billboard Refrigerator Cars    builder photo
WCL      4828    Billboard Refrigerator Cars    1930's    truss rod
WCL      7554    RMJ Aug 1996            1933
WCL      7554    Billboard Refrigerator Cars    1930's
WCLX    8643    Billboard Refrigerator Cars    repainted may 1952
WCLX    8688    Billboard Refrigerator Cars    repainted june 1950
WCLX    8884    RMJ Aug 1996            Kansas City, 1950
WCLX    8966    Postwar Freight Car Fleet, p117    Reading Rutherford Yard, 3/14/48
WCLX    9258    RMJ Aug 1996            San Fran, 1954
WCLX    9350    Refrigerator Car Color Guide    Cedar Rapids, 1961
WCLX    9458    Refrigerator Car Color Guide    after 12-50?
WCLX    9487    Billboard Refrigerator Cars    1958
WCLX    9489    Billboard Refrigerator Cars    May 1961, color
WCLX    9556    Refrigerator Car Color Guide    May-60


John Hile


Re: L&N Woodracks -- 1

Clark Propst
 

At first glance I thought the ends were from a P2K stock car…But that would be way too easy  ;  ))

Clark

 

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Re: GN wood sheathed boxcar

Scott Kremer
 

Great job, as always.

Scott Kremer


Re: L&N Woodracks -- 1

Paul Doggett
 

Bob 

Great looking model.

Paul Doggett.    England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 


On 16 Feb 2021, at 22:42, James Brewer <jim.brewer.3611@...> wrote:


Bob,

Outstanding! Thanks for sharing.

Jim Brewer

On Tue, Feb 16, 2021 at 1:57 PM O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...> wrote:
I can send you some azalea twigs if you would like
Fenton 


On Feb 16, 2021, at 1:49 PM, Todd Sullivan via groups.io <sullivant41=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

Bob,

Innovative approach, very convincing model.  Thanks for sharing.

Todd Sullivan.


Re: GN wood sheathed boxcar

Paul Doggett
 

Rich 

That’s absolutely great love all the chalk marks.

Paul Doggett.   England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 


On 16 Feb 2021, at 21:14, Richard Remiarz <rremiarz@...> wrote:



I just finished GN 52631, a Resin Car Works model of a GN wood sheathed boxcar.  The model is primarily built per instructions.  I modeled a car with Universal brake gear.  To more closely simulate the rounded shape of the Universal brake housing seen in photos, I modified one of the brake gear castings included in the kit and added a Kadee Universal brake wheel.  Precision Scale air hose brackets and Hi-Tech Details air hoses were also added.  The prototype photo showed a lot of chalk marks.  I used Speedwitch decals for the chalk marks.  The prototype was repainted in 1952, including the small round reflective dots, which came from a Microscale GN caboose decal set.  The car was lightly weathered since it was repainted less than 4 years ago on my Sept. 1956 layout.

 

Sincerely,

Rich Remiarz

 

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Re: L&N Woodracks -- 1

James Brewer
 

Bob,

Outstanding! Thanks for sharing.

Jim Brewer

On Tue, Feb 16, 2021 at 1:57 PM O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...> wrote:
I can send you some azalea twigs if you would like
Fenton 


On Feb 16, 2021, at 1:49 PM, Todd Sullivan via groups.io <sullivant41=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

Bob,

Innovative approach, very convincing model.  Thanks for sharing.

Todd Sullivan.


GN wood sheathed boxcar

Richard Remiarz
 

I just finished GN 52631, a Resin Car Works model of a GN wood sheathed boxcar.  The model is primarily built per instructions.  I modeled a car with Universal brake gear.  To more closely simulate the rounded shape of the Universal brake housing seen in photos, I modified one of the brake gear castings included in the kit and added a Kadee Universal brake wheel.  Precision Scale air hose brackets and Hi-Tech Details air hoses were also added.  The prototype photo showed a lot of chalk marks.  I used Speedwitch decals for the chalk marks.  The prototype was repainted in 1952, including the small round reflective dots, which came from a Microscale GN caboose decal set.  The car was lightly weathered since it was repainted less than 4 years ago on my Sept. 1956 layout.

 

Sincerely,

Rich Remiarz

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: ACL paint scheme

Ed Hawkins
 



On Feb 16, 2021, at 8:27 AM, Matthew Hurst <handbt33@...> wrote:

Would anyone know what color the ACL painted their 40’ flatcars in the mid 1940’s?

Thanks in advance 

Matthew Hurst
PRRT&HS #6799

Matthew,
Throughout the 1940s-1950s, ACL’s flat cars & other open-type cars were typically black with white stencils. Some cars received black paint as the final finish coat while others received black car cement as the final coat.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Re: Boxcar identification assistance

Schuyler Larrabee
 

It mostly looks like a box car-like object, so without other identifying characteristics, I’d say it’s a . . .. box car.  However, a reefer was my first alternative thought.  And as Doug says, there were white reefers out there.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Douglas Harding
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2021 1:16 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Boxcar identification assistance

 

Kaolin clay was once transported in boxcars and left a white residue, but not to the extent to completely coat the car.

 

But are you sure the car is a boxcar? While the photo is limited in size and thus details, I wonder if it is a reefer. There were white reefers in the nations fleet.

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of O Fenton Wells
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2021 11:37 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Boxcar identification assistance

 

Schuyler., so what do you think made it white?  I don’t think it was Floquil

😁

 

On Feb 16, 2021, at 10:52 AM, Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io <schuyler.larrabee@...> wrote:



Seriously??  I beg to differ.  The white is too complete over the ENTIRE car.  I mean, I could believe that if the sides were seriously covered with dust or “product” of some kind, but the ends AND the roof are completely covered.  That’s PAINT, not “a material spill.”

 

OF course, the most interesting car in the yard is to the left of the locomotive, ERIE 77084 . . .

 

😊

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Clark Propst
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2021 9:33 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Boxcar identification assistance

 

I’m with Fenton. The car is covered with some like of material spill.

Clark

 

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Photo: Frisco Boxcar 126772 & Gondola 53222 (Circa 1940s)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Frisco Boxcar 126772 & Gondola 53222 (Circa 1940s)

A photo from the University of Texas Libraries:

https://library.uta.edu/digitalgallery/sites/library.uta.edu.digitalgallery/files/20080000-20089999/20089976.jpg

Click on the photo to enlarge it.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Earliest Color Photo of US Freight Cars?

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Agreed, PNW.  Didn’t see the tank cars ‘til I downloaded the TIFF.  Makes things a lot clearer, locos become obvious,, as does the design of the rolling stock.

 

Notice the string of short boards across the points of the switches in the foreground.  I went to Wolsztyn* in Poland in October ’19 to operate steam, but there was a lot to learn,  In the US we used miles of pipe to operate switches from towers.  In Poland, no pipe – they used a pair of wires, one to pull one way, the other to pull the other way, to operate signals and turnouts, and they were routed in ditches covered with boards like you see there.

 

In this photo, though, I don’t see a tower and I do see manual switchstands, so I don’t think that’s what’s being protected in the trench, but something’s going on there.

 

Schuyler

*Pronounced Vol-Stun

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of spsalso via groups.io
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2021 11:55 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Earliest Color Photo of US Freight Cars?

 

Schuyler,

I had that same thought.  In some ways, the photo reminds me of the Pacific Northwest.  But then there's the locomotives.  And then.....

Did ya notice the string of tank cars?



Ed

Edward Sutorik



On Mon, Feb 15, 2021 at 06:09 PM, Schuyler Larrabee wrote:

Interesting photo Ed.

 

I am moved to observe that the freight equipment doesn’t look, in terms of coloration, much different than 40 years later in the US.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of spsalso via groups.io
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2021 4:24 PM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Earliest Color Photo of US Freight Cars?

 

 


Re: L&N Woodracks -- 1

O Fenton Wells
 

I can send you some azalea twigs if you would like
Fenton 


On Feb 16, 2021, at 1:49 PM, Todd Sullivan via groups.io <sullivant41@...> wrote:

Bob,

Innovative approach, very convincing model.  Thanks for sharing.

Todd Sullivan.


Re: L&N Woodracks -- 1

Todd Sullivan
 

Bob,

Innovative approach, very convincing model.  Thanks for sharing.

Todd Sullivan.


L&N Woodracks -- 1

Bob Chapman
 

In childhood trips to Pensacola, I was fascinated by L&N's woodracks, seemingly as populous as boxcars on the line through town, ferrying pulpwood from the piney forests of Florida, Alabama, and Georgia to the large St. Regis paper mill just north of town. Even at a young age, I noticed that not all woodracks were alike, and later learned that L&N fielded six different styles circa-1950, mostly rebuilds -- hence a modeling project. Here's a look at variation #1 of the six.   
 
In 1940, L&N rebuilt its first 100 woodracks (#20000-20099) from 1921-vintage coke cars; the sides were easily pulled off, and original ends were lowered 18” to match load height with the car's capacity. The model is built around the Tichy flatcar (a near-exact match to the L&N prototype), and the ends scratchbuilt from brass shapes, styrene strips, and stripwood. Detailing includes ladders, grabs, brakestaff, brake system, uncoupling levers, and diagonal stay rods. Used rails along the edges of the floor tilted the load.
 
Re the load -- I had wanted to use natural materials, and every time I saw a post with a great-looking pulpwood load, I would ask “how did you do it”? The typical answer was something like “I clipped the logs off a bush in the back yard”. Here on the high plains our backyard sagebrush and tumbleweeds don’t make convincing pulpwood, so the solution here was a cast plaster load from an eBay seller, trimmed to length and height, hollowed, painted, and weathered.     
 
Regards,
Bob Chapman
 

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