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Re: Grab Irons Extensions

Tim O'Connor
 

It's a stretch to call MILW 16800 a box car :-)

It looks like 16800 was a box car BODY dropped onto a 53 foot flat car.

Pretty much the weirdest rebuild I've seen.

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On 3/2/2020 11:57 AM, spsalso via Groups.Io wrote:
GN had at least one boxcar with "grab iron extensions":

GN 29001    40',  20' opening

Also having grab iron extensions were:

SAL 20200-20209    40',  20' opening

And now for something a little different:

MILW 16800    50',  30' opening
Not only were the grabs mounted on extensions, but so were the side ladders.

(all dimensions approximate)

Ed
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*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*

Re: Grab Irons Extensions

spsalso
 

GN had at least one boxcar with "grab iron extensions":

GN 29001    40',  20' opening

Also having grab iron extensions were:

SAL 20200-20209    40',  20' opening

And now for something a little different:

MILW 16800    50',  30' opening
Not only were the grabs mounted on extensions, but so were the side ladders.

(all dimensions approximate)

Ed

Edward Sutorik

Stock Cars NP 81745 & CBQ 56315 circa 1926

Hudson Leighton
 

Stock Cars NP 81745 & CBQ 56315 circa 1926

NP 81745 blt. ?? as NP 90145, in 1923 under AFE 5118-23 was renumbered to NP 81745 and upgraded with 70 ton trucks, in 1933 under AFE 5024-33 it was dismantled.

Reminder - Toronto Railway Prototype Modellers Meet 2020

Richard McQuade
 

A brief reminder that later this month the annual Toronto Railway Prototype Modellers Meet will be held on Saturday, March 21st from 8:30 am to 4:00pm at Humber College in Toronto. Complete information including a map is available on our website at:

 

https://torontoprototypemodellers.wordpress.com/

Re: The New York Central in 1928-1929

spsalso
 

I "found" NYC 1904.

It was an 0-6-0T Dummy.  Built as NYC&HR 10 in September of 1914.  Retired December 1932.



Ed

Edward Sutorik

Re: SP&S Large Reporting Marks—Date of Introduction

Don DeLay
 

>The 14000 to 14499 were built in 1957 at St Cloud and did not have the billboard letters originally.

Out of the 20-something photos I have of these cars, only one (14241) has the large initials. I believe very few of the  fifty-footers received this lettering compared to the forty-footers since there were more classes of 40' cars. 

Don DeLay

Re: Grab Irons Extensions

Dennis Storzek
 

On Sun, Mar 1, 2020 at 07:18 AM, Tim O'Connor wrote:
CB&Q 41891 attached
Well, they were red. I knew they were red. :-)

Dennis

Re: Grab Irons Extensions

Tim O'Connor
 

CB&Q 41891 attached

On 2/29/2020 10:55 PM, John Monrad wrote:
GN combo door XMs had 6 ft plug doors, therefore lacked extended grabs.  However, CB&Q combo door cars in class XM-2 had extended grabs to accomodate 8 ft plug doors.

John Monrad
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*Tim O'Connor*
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Re: Grab Irons Extensions

Tim O'Connor
 

Soo, definitely. I don't think any GN cars had this feature.

Tim O'

On 2/29/2020 9:24 PM, Dennis Storzek wrote:
Several comments make it sound like this was an NP only phenomena.  Actually, any of the 40' combo door cars that had a six foot main door with eight foot auxiliary doors had this problem. Soo 48300-48498 (even), built by the Soo in 1959 had the same overhanging grabs, and I believe the GN also had similar cars.

Dennis Storzek
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*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*

Re: The New York Central in 1928-1929

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

Ed,

The NYC had several enclosed Shay locomotives for use on their West Side Freight Line (pulling freight cars, mandatory content). They have been written about a number of times in the railfan press. Here is photo of one that came up at the top of an internet search: https://www.railarchive.net/nyccollection/nyc7189.htm .

Yours Aye,

Garth Groff  🦆


On Sun, Mar 1, 2020 at 1:23 AM spsalso via Groups.Io <Edwardsutorik=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
I cannot think of a more pleasant exercise than being atop a boxcar in frigid winter weather cranking a "movie machine".  Wow.  The fun!.

That said.

I saw a NYC locomotive numbered 1904, in the street scenes.  I am only slightly intrigued, being a Northwestern kind of guy.  But yet.  Pretty damn cool.

Anyone of a more northeastern bent have thoughts on this locomotive?  Is it a Shay?

And, by the way, I am VERY impressed at the quality of this film.  "Hats off" to the lucky winner who got to climb the ladders on the rolling stock.


Ed

Edward Sutorik

Re: The New York Central in 1928-1929

spsalso
 

I cannot think of a more pleasant exercise than being atop a boxcar in frigid winter weather cranking a "movie machine".  Wow.  The fun!.

That said.

I saw a NYC locomotive numbered 1904, in the street scenes.  I am only slightly intrigued, being a Northwestern kind of guy.  But yet.  Pretty damn cool.

Anyone of a more northeastern bent have thoughts on this locomotive?  Is it a Shay?

And, by the way, I am VERY impressed at the quality of this film.  "Hats off" to the lucky winner who got to climb the ladders on the rolling stock.


Ed

Edward Sutorik

Re: Grab Irons Extensions

John Monrad
 

GN combo door XMs had 6 ft plug doors, therefore lacked extended grabs.  However, CB&Q combo door cars in class XM-2 had extended grabs to accomodate 8 ft plug doors.

John Monrad

Re: Grab Irons Extensions

Dennis Storzek
 

Several comments make it sound like this was an NP only phenomena.  Actually, any of the 40' combo door cars that had a six foot main door with eight foot auxiliary doors had this problem. Soo 48300-48498 (even), built by the Soo in 1959 had the same overhanging grabs, and I believe the GN also had similar cars.

Dennis Storzek

Re: The New York Central in 1928-1929

vapeurchapelon
 

Hello Claus,
 
many thanks for sharing! Interesting video - and indeed fascinating being with the real sound!
Also the scene in Manhattan with the officer managing the traffic - just great!
 
Many greetings
 
Johannes
modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953
 
Gesendet: Freitag, 28. Februar 2020 um 16:20 Uhr
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Hi List Members,
 
Some may enjoy this video - the title sez it all: "The New York Central in 1928-1929"
 
At times the camera is on the roof of a freight car, giving us good view of - you guessed it - freight car roofs.
 
These is a short but nice segment showing one of what was then probably brand new NYC container service in New York City street trackage.
 
Plenty of freight cars to go around!
 
 
Note that despite the date, this is the real sound from the scene being photographed, not just something the movie makers tacked on.
 
Claus Schlund
 
 

Re: SP&S Large Reporting Marks—Date of Introduction

Allan Smith
 

Of all the photos I have been able to download from the internet, I found SP&S 11242 Date V-1-58 Straight SP&S and 11287 Date v-5-58 straight SP&S. These are the earliest photos I have found with the large SP&S, both with the straight SP&S. All the photos I have seen of the slant SP&S are 1960 or later. That doesn't mean there aren't any out there, it means I haven't found any. Hope this helps some..

Al Smith
Sonora CA

On Saturday, February 29, 2020, 11:21:47 AM PST, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:



The Intermountain 10-0 IH 12 panel box car is correct for the SP&S 40 foot car (built 1949)


On 2/29/2020 1:13 PM, Don DeLay via Groups.Io wrote:

The large lettering with periods after the initials went both diagonal and straight line. The smaller lettering also made it onto some of the 50' cars too (SP&S 14241 50' DD boxcar in June 1967 Jim Parker photo).

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

Re: SP&S Large Reporting Marks—Date of Introduction

Tim O'Connor
 


The Intermountain 10-0 IH 12 panel box car is correct for the SP&S 40 foot car (built 1949)


On 2/29/2020 1:13 PM, Don DeLay via Groups.Io wrote:
The large lettering with periods after the initials went both diagonal and straight line. The smaller lettering also made it onto some of the 50' cars too (SP&S 14241 50' DD boxcar in June 1967 Jim Parker photo).

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

Re: SP&S Large Reporting Marks—Date of Introduction

Tim O'Connor
 


The 14000 to 14499 were built in 1957 at St Cloud and did not have the
billboard letters originally. In some cases the name to the right of the
door was repainted with the large letters and the rest of the lettering
include the oval herald was the same. But most of them seemed to keep the
original lettering up to BN.

BRANCHLINE offered this (accurate) HO scale model as kit #1106

Tim O'




On 2/29/2020 1:13 PM, Don DeLay via Groups.Io wrote:
The large lettering with periods after the initials went both diagonal and straight line. The smaller lettering also made it onto some of the 50' cars too (SP&S 14241 50' DD boxcar in June 1967 Jim Parker photo).

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

Re: Grab Irons Extensions

Charlie Vlk
 

Sorry if I missed the reply to Bob’s queston…the Plug Door in the fully open position would interfere with the normal inboard mounting location of the grab irons…so they overlap the ends to clear.

Charlie Vlk

 

There must be a good reason for this...so what is the reason?

 

Re: SP&S Large Reporting Marks—Date of Introduction

Don DeLay
 

The large lettering with periods after the initials went both diagonal and straight line. The smaller lettering also made it onto some of the 50' cars too (SP&S 14241 50' DD boxcar in June 1967 Jim Parker photo).

Re: Red Caboose kits

Paul Doggett
 

Pierre

Email sent

Paul Doggett

On 29 Feb 2020, at 16:20, Pierre Oliver <pierre.oliver@...> wrote:

Paul,
I maybe able to help you out
Email me offlist pls
pierre.oliver@...

Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com

On 2/29/20 8:36 a.m., Paul Doggett via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi

I am looking for two Red Caboose/Intermountain undecorated 1937 AAR single door boxcar kits it doesn’t matter what ends they have if you can help me please contact off this page thank you.

Paul Doggett. England