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Re: Cudahy Meat Packing
ROGER HINMAN
The Cudahy Wisconsin library has a lot of material on the company there, which is still in operation albeit under different name; the former NRC repair facility still stands there also
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Roger Hinman
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Re: Photo: ATSF (?) Boxcar 9260 With Pinto Bean Load (1914)
Eric Hansmann
I agree. This is a Big Four boxcar. The lettering follows what the NYC was applying to their cars in this timeframe. Part of the NYCL oval can be seen to the right of the banner.
It’s interesting to see the build date stencil look newer than the weigh date stencil. You do not see that everyday.
And I’m surprised nobody has commented on the Explosives placard on the door and linking that to the pinto beans banner.
Eric Hansmann Murfreesboro, TN
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2020 12:04 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: ATSF (?) Boxcar 9260 With Pinto Bean Load (1914)
Hi Bob,
Looking at this image, I think the reporting marks might actually be CCC&StL 9260, not ATSF. If this is the case, it is from series 9001-9984, 36ft IL, 40-ton, 167 cars listed in the 12-1930 ORER
The railroad workers making chalk marks on the side of the car are going to run out of space soon!
Claus Schlund
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Re: Photo: Boxcar Door Stenciling (Circa 1943)
Guy Wilber
Bob Chaparro wrote:
The door is stenciled "9-5", "10-6" and "8-E". The white rectangle above the 3” white stripe indicates that the car’s Evans Auto~Loaders are stored and inoperable. They may have simply been wired, or (as was often done during WW II) spot welded to the storage clips. The distance from the floor of the car to the bottom of the racks is 9’-5”. 10’-6” is the height from the floor (at center) to the peak of the roof. The car is equipped with 8 tie down turnbuckles with chains stored within the floor tubes. Type “E” racks. Guy Wilber Reno, Nevada
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Re: Photo: ATSF (?) Boxcar 9260 With Pinto Bean Load (1914)
akerboomk
That’s a lot of chalk marks on the car side!
I’m wondering if the end reporting marks are “…&SD” (or “SL”) ?? -- Ken Akerboom
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Re: Photo: Gas Storage Tank On Boston & Maine Flat Car (1920)
akerboomk
More info on these flats can be found here:
https://www.bmrrhs.org/flat_32000_series/
For the 32060-32065 specifically, see the table “Individual / small group listings (including dimensions) 32040-32099”
Ken -- Ken Akerboom
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Cudahy Meat Packing
I’m starting a new thread for discussion of Cudahy. The map I posted this morning, came from a Cudahy Year book, published I think in 1932. It shows, at that time, the slaughter houses, branch houses, produce houses and Dutch Cleanser facilities. I found the Cudahy Year Books in the Iowa State University Library (our state AG school), in their dusty old back room files. Ie feet on the ground research.
Cudahy Meat Packing and Cudahy Brothers (later known as Patrick Cudahy), were two different and separate meat packing concerns. One was based in Omaha, started by Michael Cudahy and Philip Armour. The other was in Cudahy WIS and started by Patrick Cudahy (also connected to Armour). The founders were brothers, who both had connections to Armour via Plankinton, but they parted ways before the turn of the last century.
Cudahy Meat Packing had a reefer facility in Calumet Indiana. Reporting marks were CRLX. I cannot not address the paint/lettering schemes to a large extent. Attached is an image of a Cudahy car from the Yearbook, so this would be accurate for circa 1932. Cudahy also leased Mather Reefers (see ad), which also appears to be early 30s. Attached is a photo of South Omaha showing two Cudahy Dutch Cleanser reefers circa 1925-1928. All photos I have of Cudahy reefers after 1935 show the plain Jane lettering scheme that came into being after the 1934 “Billboard ban” law. P/L changed through the years, so era and photos are important.
Cudahy Brothers started and owned Northern Refrigerator Line, INC, also in Cudahy WIS. This included the Northern Refrigerator Car Co. Reporting Marks were NRC. Cudahy Bros sold their reefer company to Merchants Despatch Transportation in 1928. Reporting marks were MDT
As to the source of my information regarding the location of Cudahy facilities, the above mentioned Company Year Books are one source, as they contained photos of facilities and dates when acquired, along with the map. Much of the information was not on the internet, it required visiting libraries and digging through old files, books, documents and magazines. National Provisioner is a trade publication for the meat packing industry and can be found in some state Ag School libraries. Members of this group have provided information through the years. Of course the internet continues to surprise me. But you sometimes have to visit local libraries, local historical society websites, genealogy websites, and other places we do not normally think about when looking for information on railroads or industries.
As for the person walking in the train yard near the cars that started this conversation. In early years, before fences around tracks, many folks lived near the rail yards and often traversed them to get back and forth. Esp in the early years, like when the photos were taken. I can’t tell if it is a man or woman, they are just wearing a large flowing light colored coat or dress.
Doug Harding www.iowacentralrr.org
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Re: Photo: GATX 31197 & 54877 At DuPont Plant (1940)
charlie9
The plant on the ICRR at Memphis did produce hydrogen cyanide. The plant was located at Woodstock where the passenger and freight mains split just North of Memphis. In later years that product was shipped in distinctive cream colored tank cars with red stripes. I remember seeing big placard signs on the cars that pretty much said "if you can smell this, you are already dead."
I wonder what cars were used for Hydrogen Cyanide shipments in the steam era. Anybody know or have any photos? I am too young to remember what cars they were using back then. Charlie Schildt (grouchy German)
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Re: Photo: ATSF (?) Boxcar 9260 With Pinto Bean Load (1914)
earlyrail
Closer to the photo date.
series 9000 - 9999 60,000 cpy 918 car Jan 1915 ORER Howard Garner
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Re: Old Photos from Southern Railway in Knoxville yard
earlyrail
My apologies.
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Re: Photo: Boxcar Door Stenciling (Circa 1943)
Benjamin Hom
Bob Chaparro asked: "Photo: Boxcar Door Stenciling (Circa 1943) A photo from the Detroit Public Library: https://digitalcollections.detroitpubliclibrary.org/islandora/object/islandora%3A257918 Click and hold to enlarge photo. The door is stenciled "9-5", "10-6" and "8-E". Translation?" Note that the car is a Pere Marquette automobile boxcar and has the stripe indicating that it's equipped with an Evans Auto Rack. "9-5" indicates IH with the racks stowed; "10-6" indicates IH with the racks deployed, and "8-E" indicates the specific type of rack. Ben Hom
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Re: Old Photos from Southern Railway in Knoxville yard
Schuyler Larrabee
Well, I see crow is on the menu today . . .
I apologize for confusing ODC and Bon Ami. Bon Ami contains feldspar and doesn’t scratch. I cannot vouch for the performance of ODC.
The plant I mentioned (later verified as being in Manchester CT) is where Bon Ami is, or was, manufactured. The can today says “Bon Ami Company, Kansas City MO 64101.” I do not know where their plants are today. It also is the can that states “Original 1886 Formula.”
My remarks about using ODC on brass should be that I have used Bon Ami on brass with great success. I cannot confirm whether ODC is equally harmless.
I hope that this clarifies what I intended to say.
Schuyler
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2020 11:21 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Old Photos from Southern Railway in Knoxville yard
I too would like to know the answer to Bill S,’s question. There is an excellent modeler in this area, Jim Dufour, who’s modeled the Cheshire branch, thee connecting the B&M main line at South Ashburnham to Keene NH. Included in his railroad is a model accurately depicting a very modest Feldspar mine. Jim has waybill records showing that the Feldspar was shipped to a Old Dutch Cleanser plant along the New Haven, IIRC, in the vicinity of Manchester CT. (I could be entirely wrong on the destination, but I am sure it was in CT.). Doug’s citing of plants in
Doug Harding’s citing of Old Dutch Cleanser Plants were located in Los Angeles, Omaha, and Toronto May well be accurate, but of a later time. The Old Dutch Cleanser container cites that it was developed in 1886.
Incidentally, I won’t have any other cleanser in the house. I find the competitors, Comet, Ajax, etc., tend to scratch, whereas the little just hatched chick on the ODC label, with the slogan “Hasn’t scratched yet,” is accurate. It will clean some egregiously dirty dishes without scratching them (ask me how I know). I have used it when stripping brass models with an old, soft toothbrush to remove stubborn paint in crevices. Works well, without any visible damage to the model surface.
Incidentally, while googling (because I could not remember feldspar) I came across the following interesting webpage: http://www.mine-engineer.com/mining/dutch.htm
Schuyler
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of erieblt2
Mr. Harding, where did you get the information as to where the plants were located? Is there a book(now ‘site’) that lists company info? We have source/info books for railroads ie ‘The Official Guide’ . Is there an equivalent for industries? Thank you. Respectfully, Bill S. PS I had to look up the earlier reference to ‘foobies’!
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Re: Old Photos from Southern Railway in Knoxville yard
Tony Thompson
mel perry wrote:
You obviously haven't ever looked at the book on Billboard Reefers by Richard Hendrickson and Ed Kaminski. Tony Thompson
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Re: Photo: ATSF (?) Boxcar 9260 With Pinto Bean Load (1914)
Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
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Hi Bob,
Looking at this image, I think the reporting marks might actually be
CCC&StL 9260, not ATSF. If this is the case, it is from series 9001-9984,
36ft IL, 40-ton, 167 cars listed in the 12-1930 ORER
The railroad workers making chalk marks on the side of the car
are going to run out of space soon!
Claus Schlund
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Photo: Boxcar Door Stenciling (Circa 1943)
Photo: Boxcar Door Stenciling (Circa 1943) A photo from the Detroit Public Library: https://digitalcollections.detroitpubliclibrary.org/islandora/object/islandora%3A257918 Click and hold to enlarge photo. The door is stenciled "9-5", "10-6" and "8-E". Translation? Thanks. Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Photo: ATSF (?) Boxcar 9260 With Pinto Bean Load (1914)
Photo: ATSF (?) Boxcar 9260 With Pinto Bean Load (1914) A photo from the University of New Mexico: https://econtent.unm.edu/digital/collection/gkcpc/id/26/rec/146 The photo can be enlarged. Description: "Train car shipped in November of 1914 with goods donated by Gross, Kelly & Co. to the Belgium Relief Commission, run by Herbert Hoover. Gross, Kelly & Co. was one of the pioneer wholesale and retail mercantile companies in the Southwest." Do pinto beans go well with Belgium waffles? Note the placard on the car reads "Explosives". (Don't go there, readers.) I could not find a listing for this car, built in 1897, among my Santa Fe records but the end reporting marks appear to include "&SF". Perhaps this car was from a subsidiary road. Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Re: Old Photos from Southern Railway in Knoxville yard
John Barry
Doug, What was the date of the Cudahy map? They have a spot listed on the 1928 version of the SP San Francisco Industry Map on the State Belt, said industry not listed on the 1944 version. John John Barry ATSF North Bay Lines Golden Gates & Fast Freights Lovettsville, VA 707-490-9696
On Wednesday, September 30, 2020, 08:48:16 AM EDT, Douglas Harding <iowacentralrr@...> wrote:
Old Dutch Cleanser was a trademark of the Cudahy company (Cudahy Bros of Wisconsin was a different company). And their meat reefers carried the Old Dutch Cleanser logo. Attached is a photo of a Cudahy reefer taken in Salt Lake City, where they had a plant. Cudahy’s main plant was in south Omaha. They also had plants in Kansas City, Los Angeles, San Diego, Denver, Sioux City, South St Paul, East Chicago, Jersey City. Old Dutch Cleanser Plants were located in Los Angeles, Omaha, and Toronto.
Doug Harding www.iowacentralrr.org
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of mel perry
thats a rarity, to find three "old dutch"/ cudahy in the same yard, hooked together, unless there was a plant close by?, always wonder if the "old dutch"/cudahy was a foobie? ;-) mel perry
On Tue, Sep 29, 2020, 6:18 PM George Courtney via groups.io <gsc3=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
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Re: Old Photos from Southern Railway in Knoxville yard
Old Dutch Cleanser & Cudahy Packing Company Probably more than you want to know, but a few factoids I've found... In 1905 the Cudahy Packing Company became the first company to manufacturer and market a cleansing powder, Old Dutch Cleanser. Cudahy had a pumicite mine in Meade County, Kansas, and had a tie to a company that used pumicite to clean up the floors of the slaughterhouses of Chicago. Pumicite is a variety of pumice, a highly pressurized rock that is formed when lava and water are mixed. Seismotite is a trade name for pumice used by Cudahy and was seen in Old Dutch Cleanser advertising. Later, Cudahy's pumicite was taken from a mine located underground in the Mojave Desert. Pumicite production began in 1923. The mined rock was trucked to a siding on the Southern Pacific Railroad at Saltdale, seven miles south of the mine. It was delivered to Los Angeles where it was processed and blended with other material to create the cleanser. Twelve men were employed by Cudahy to oversee the mine and produce 100 tons of pumicite per week. Cudahy Camp was a small company operated camp created to house the miners. Numerous structures were built at the camp, however their uses have not clearly been established. The mine produced 120,000 tons of pumicite for the company. The mine closed in 1947 because the mineral was discovered at ground level in other locations. Old Dutch Cleanser was sold by Cudahy to Purex on April 24, 1955. Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Re: Old Photos from Southern Railway in Knoxville yard
Schuyler Larrabee
I too would like to know the answer to Bill S,’s question. There is an excellent modeler in this area, Jim Dufour, who’s modeled the Cheshire branch, thee connecting the B&M main line at South Ashburnham to Keene NH. Included in his railroad is a model accurately depicting a very modest Feldspar mine. Jim has waybill records showing that the Feldspar was shipped to a Old Dutch Cleanser plant along the New Haven, IIRC, in the vicinity of Manchester CT. (I could be entirely wrong on the destination, but I am sure it was in CT.). Doug’s citing of plants in
Doug Harding’s citing of Old Dutch Cleanser Plants were located in Los Angeles, Omaha, and Toronto May well be accurate, but of a later time. The Old Dutch Cleanser container cites that it was developed in 1886.
Incidentally, I won’t have any other cleanser in the house. I find the competitors, Comet, Ajax, etc., tend to scratch, whereas the little just hatched chick on the ODC label, with the slogan “Hasn’t scratched yet,” is accurate. It will clean some egregiously dirty dishes without scratching them (ask me how I know). I have used it when stripping brass models with an old, soft toothbrush to remove stubborn paint in crevices. Works well, without any visible damage to the model surface.
Incidentally, while googling (because I could not remember feldspar) I came across the following interesting webpage: http://www.mine-engineer.com/mining/dutch.htm
Schuyler
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Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2020 10:34 AM To: main@realstmfc.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Old Photos from Southern Railway in Knoxville yard
Mr. Harding, where did you get the information as to where the plants were located? Is there a book(now ‘site’) that lists company info? We have source/info books for railroads ie ‘The Official Guide’ . Is there an equivalent for industries? Thank you. Respectfully, Bill S. PS I had to look up the earlier reference to ‘foobies’!
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Re: Old Photos from Southern Railway in Knoxville yard
I think she was posing for the Cudahy reefer paint jobs. Just say'in Fenton
On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 10:22 AM Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io <schuyler.larrabee=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:
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Re: Old Photos from Southern Railway in Knoxville yard
erieblt2
Mr. Harding, where did you get the information as to where the plants were located? Is there a book(now ‘site’) that lists company info? We have source/info books for railroads ie ‘The Official Guide’ . Is there an equivalent for industries? Thank you. Respectfully, Bill S. PS I had to look up the earlier reference to ‘foobies’!
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On Sep 30, 2020, at 6:36 AM, Thomas Evans via groups.io <tomkevans@...> wrote:
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