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Re: Large "SOO LINE" lettering: What Date Please

Dennis Storzek
 

On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 04:38 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:
I never noticed that slight change in the S. Yet another lettering twist, yikes!
Yeah, and I may have put the date of the change a year or two early. I thought the new S was used on the cars leased in the mid fifties, but I was mistaken. The first use was on a series of 40' combo door cars built by the Soo 5/59, followed by a series of PS-1s built by Pullman-Standard 6/59, and ex L&NE cars leased from U S Railway Equipment Co.later in 1959.

The cars leased in 1955 introduced yet another variation. The 'slant bar S' is not symmetrical, the middle bar is just slightly above center. Some of the leased cars, apparently painted by the leasing company, had the S upside-down, with the middle bar below center.

Dennis Storzek

Re: Prototype Junction Crowd Funding - Only one week to go

John Drake
 

Steve, thanks so much for waiving the flag for us!  Randy and I appreciate it.  And time is running out fast for our crowdfunding campaign for the single-sheathed boxcar and autocar project.  It ends in four days, on March 9. 

Also, I encourage you to check out the latest post on our website, https://www.prototypejunction.com/2020/03/what-does-it-take-to-make-model-why-so.html, in which Randy gives an excellent overview of the process and the estimated costs associated with creating a highly detailed ready to run injection molded model freight car.  I think you will find it interesting.

Thanks all!

John Drake
Prototype Junction 

 

Re: "Dedicated" freight car service

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

Friends,

Though what I noticed was beyond our period, I remember that some WP 50' DD PS-1 (which were delivered within our period) ended their days carrying spent automobile batteries out of West Sacramento on the Sacramento Northern. The cars were marked "Lead Battery Loading Only" or some such wording. The cars were contaminated, much like a cars in hide or fish service, and were probably scrapped soon thereafter. The several cars I saw were 50', which might be odd for such service, but not if the management was trying to squeeze a few more bucks out of cars that were already destined for scrap.

Yours Aye,

Garth Groff  🦆


On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 12:46 PM Dave Parker via Groups.Io <spottab=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Elden:

On the B&M, at least "back in the day", the only examples I know of are (i) the 200 MDT-built reefers of 1923 that carried "BANANA SERVICE ONLY" stencils, and (ii) the 1929-30 ARA quad hoppers that said "FOR EXCLUSIVE USE ON HOME ROADS".  I'm not sure if the latter qualifies as the kind of "dedicated service" that you are curious about.  Its origin, I presume, was the age and condition of the B&M's other coal cars, and the need to move a lot of water-borne bituminous from Boston to the many re-coaling facilities scattered around northern New England.

I don't think either stencil persisted for very long, certainly not much after the war.  I think the some of the reefers might have ended up in dedicated ice service, but that's too far into the future for me.

--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA

Re: Large "SOO LINE" lettering: What Date Please

Tim O'Connor
 

I never noticed that slight change in the S. Yet another lettering twist, yikes!





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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Large "SOO LINE" lettering: What Date Please

The large square 'boxcar block' lettering dates to the summer of 1951. This original version had the center bar of the S sloping downward at a slight angle, maybe five or seven degrees. This was modified in 1956 or '57 to have the center bar of the S truly horizontal. 

The round Venus Bold lettering dates to 1962, past our era.

Dennis Storzek


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

Re: "Dedicated" freight car service

Dave Parker
 

Don, I don't disagree about the ice service.  But, time stopped for me in 1935, so I'm afraid I don't keep very careful track of things that occurred later.  Actually, some days I can't keep track of  what happened leading up to 1934, when it really matters to me!

With regards.
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Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA

Re: "Dedicated" freight car service

Donald B. Valentine
 

    Perhaps not as far into your future as you think Dave. I believe the first use of the B&M's MDT built reefers for 
ice cars began shortly after WW II ended if not a bit before. I agree with you on the hopper use in sort of dedicated 
service. Once they hoppers were repainted and given the Minuteman Herald after the war that stenciling disappeared.

My best, Don Valentine

Re: Large "SOO LINE" lettering: What Date Please

Bill Welch
 

Thank you so much Joe, Dennis and Chris!

Bill Welch

Re: Large "SOO LINE" lettering: What Date Please

bigfourroad
 

Bill
Here courtesy of the Soo Line HTS is a definite answer to your question. 
http://www.sooline.org/Publications/Drawings/freight_car_box_51-59.shtml
Glad you asked this will probably improve my modeling as well.
Chris Rooney

Re: Large "SOO LINE" lettering: What Date Please

Dennis Storzek
 

The large square 'boxcar block' lettering dates to the summer of 1951. This original version had the center bar of the S sloping downward at a slight angle, maybe five or seven degrees. This was modified in 1956 or '57 to have the center bar of the S truly horizontal. 

The round Venus Bold lettering dates to 1962, past our era.

Dennis Storzek

Re: "Dedicated" freight car service

np328
 

  My earlier post needs to be amended. The cars, the 6000 series were based on an SP design, not Santa Fe. 

Also, could the powers that be here put out a reminder of the time frame this list covers? 
If I wanted to read of affairs post 1960, I would join the bbfcl.io 
(I would like to think that I am not the only one on this list that holds that POV)                                                              thanks,                    Jim Dick - Roseville, MN 

Re: Large "SOO LINE" lettering: What Date Please

Joseph
 

1951 IIRC
Joe 

On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 2:20 PM Bill Welch <fgexbill@...> wrote:
One of the first IMWX 1937 AAR kits I built year ago was a SOO LINE car using Champ decals. I probably used a magazine photo for inspiration and documentation but I am wondering now what year the RR initiated that paint scheme. I am sure someone here knows the answer. Thank you.

Bill Welch

Large "SOO LINE" lettering: What Date Please

Bill Welch
 

One of the first IMWX 1937 AAR kits I built year ago was a SOO LINE car using Champ decals. I probably used a magazine photo for inspiration and documentation but I am wondering now what year the RR initiated that paint scheme. I am sure someone here knows the answer. Thank you.

Bill Welch

Re: Westerfields

Tony Thompson
 

Dennis Storzek wrote:

Last I knew, Al was in CROSSVILLE, Tenn, which is a bit farther east and south.

    The Westerfields retired to Tucson, Arizona, a few years ago.


Tony Thompson



Re: Westerfields

Dave Pfeiffer
 

Crossville.  Ok.  Got it wrong.  Now Arizona.  Thanks.

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Eric Hansmann
Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2020 1:33 PM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Westerfields

 

Al & Patricia moved to Arizona a couple years ago. 

 

My home is 20-30 miles from the tornado path. 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN


On Mar 5, 2020, at 12:19 PM, Dave Pfeiffer via Groups.Io <dave.pfeiffer@...> wrote:

Off topic, but…

 

I saw a lot of tornado devastation in Cookeville, Tn this morning on the news.  If I remember correctly, Cookeville is where the Westerfields live.  Has anyone heard anything?  Thanks.

 

Dave Pfeiffer

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Re: Westerfields

Dave Pfeiffer
 

I’m talking about Al and his wife.

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mansell Peter Hambly
Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2020 1:25 PM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Westerfields

 

Andrew Dahm bought Westerfield a few years ago now and has been relocated to Gardnerville, Nevada.

 

Mansell Peter Hambly

COQUITLAM, B.C.

 

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From: Dave Pfeiffer via Groups.Io
Sent: March 5, 2020 10:20 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Westerfields

 

Off topic, but…

 

I saw a lot of tornado devastation in Cookeville, Tn this morning on the news.  If I remember correctly, Cookeville is where the Westerfields live.  Has anyone heard anything?  Thanks.

 

Dave Pfeiffer

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Re: Westerfields

Eric Hansmann
 

Al & Patricia moved to Arizona a couple years ago. 

My home is 20-30 miles from the tornado path. 

Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On Mar 5, 2020, at 12:19 PM, Dave Pfeiffer via Groups.Io <dave.pfeiffer@...> wrote:

Off topic, but…

 

I saw a lot of tornado devastation in Cookeville, Tn this morning on the news.  If I remember correctly, Cookeville is where the Westerfields live.  Has anyone heard anything?  Thanks.

 

Dave Pfeiffer

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Re: Westerfields

Brian Carlson
 

Not what he meant. 

Al retired to Tucson so he’s not In Tennessee these days. He was posting on FB today, so all is well.  

Brian J. Carlson 

On Mar 5, 2020, at 1:24 PM, Mansell Peter Hambly <mphcd@...> wrote:



Andrew Dahm bought Westerfield a few years ago now and has been relocated to Gardnerville, Nevada.

 

Mansell Peter Hambly

COQUITLAM, B.C.

 

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From: Dave Pfeiffer via Groups.Io
Sent: March 5, 2020 10:20 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Westerfields

 

Off topic, but…

 

I saw a lot of tornado devastation in Cookeville, Tn this morning on the news.  If I remember correctly, Cookeville is where the Westerfields live.  Has anyone heard anything?  Thanks.

 

Dave Pfeiffer

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Re: Westerfields

Dennis Storzek
 

Last I knew, Al was in CROSSVILLE, Tenn, which is a bit farther east and south.

Dennis Storzek

Re: Westerfields

Mansell Peter Hambly
 

Andrew Dahm bought Westerfield a few years ago now and has been relocated to Gardnerville, Nevada.

 

Mansell Peter Hambly

COQUITLAM, B.C.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Dave Pfeiffer via Groups.Io
Sent: March 5, 2020 10:20 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Westerfields

 

Off topic, but…

 

I saw a lot of tornado devastation in Cookeville, Tn this morning on the news.  If I remember correctly, Cookeville is where the Westerfields live.  Has anyone heard anything?  Thanks.

 

Dave Pfeiffer

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Westerfields

Dave Pfeiffer
 

Off topic, but…

 

I saw a lot of tornado devastation in Cookeville, Tn this morning on the news.  If I remember correctly, Cookeville is where the Westerfields live.  Has anyone heard anything?  Thanks.

 

Dave Pfeiffer

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