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Schuyler Larrabee
 

Paul Woods suggests

 

It would be handy if manufacturers put a little unicorn symbol on their advertising beside the foobie paint jobs i.e. 'This one belongs in a fairy tale'.

 

I agree with that, but I’d also appreciate some effort to be made to provide what amounts to a time stamp.  Easy enough to put it in the stamp that marks the end of the box.  I’m not going to provide an example but it’d be simple enough to add “1954” or “1946” to indicate that the car inside first appeared painted this way in that year.

 

Don’t tell me you can’t do it.  Or that you don’t know..  The information is right on the decoration: “BLT 1946” or whatever.  IIRC, Branchline did this and it guided my purchases.  And it’s one reason I have few Kadee PS1.  All too late for me.

 

Schuyler

 

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Paul Woods
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2020 6:12 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] SAL, ex-GF&A ARA XM-1 Box Cars

 

On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 02:29 PM, Tom Madden wrote:

Another advantage of injection molding over resin casting. 


Tom Madden

[Speaking mostly tongue-in-cheek]: A significant disadvantage of injection moulding is, having plowed huge $$$ into an injection-moulding die, it becomes very difficult for a manufacturer to resist putting Foobie paint jobs on models to increase their return.  I completely understand the need for this, and many purchasers don't mind anyway, but I have to say it really stings when I spend good money on what I think is an accurate model (not in HO, by the way, I model in O), only to find it never existed.  It would be handy if manufacturers put a little unicorn symbol on their advertising beside the foobie paint jobs i.e. 'This one belongs in a fairy tale'.

Actually, come to think of it, advertising for the schemes that could be called 90%-100% accurate probably should include a picture of that classic child's equine ride-on nursery toy with a little brown pile behind it, because they seem to be rarer than rocking horse poo!

Paul Woods

 

Re: SAL, ex-GF&A ARA XM-1 Box Cars

Paul Woods <paul@...>
 

On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 02:29 PM, Tom Madden wrote:

Another advantage of injection molding over resin casting. 


Tom Madden

[Speaking mostly tongue-in-cheek]: A significant disadvantage of injection moulding is, having plowed huge $$$ into an injection-moulding die, it becomes very difficult for a manufacturer to resist putting Foobie paint jobs on models to increase their return.  I completely understand the need for this, and many purchasers don't mind anyway, but I have to say it really stings when I spend good money on what I think is an accurate model (not in HO, by the way, I model in O), only to find it never existed.  It would be handy if manufacturers put a little unicorn symbol on their advertising beside the foobie paint jobs i.e. 'This one belongs in a fairy tale'.

Actually, come to think of it, advertising for the schemes that could be called 90%-100% accurate probably should include a picture of that classic child's equine ride-on nursery toy with a little brown pile behind it, because they seem to be rarer than rocking horse poo!

Paul Woods

 

Re: Central of Georgia Boxcar Series Help

Todd Horton
 

The Central started using “ The Right Way” lettering in 1954 on freight cars. The 50’ black and silver “blimp” cars were the first to have this.  The slogan was used earlier on some diesel locomotives and cabooses before this date.      Todd Horton 


On Mar 4, 2020, at 5:03 PM, Allen Cain <Allencaintn@...> wrote:


Thanks Tim for the excellent photo.

Can anyone tell me when CG first used "The Right Way" slogan on their boxcars?

And a special thanks to Ed Hawkins who has furnished more information than this old head can assimilate!

Allen Cain

Re: SAL, ex-GF&A ARA XM-1 Box Cars

Tom Madden
 

On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 03:05 PM, Dennis Storzek wrote:
Buy all you want. We can still make 'em faster than you can buy 'em! :-)

Another advantage of injection molding over resin casting. 


Tom Madden

Re: Central of Georgia Boxcar Series Help

O Fenton Wells
 

I thought it was 1952 but not sure about that, should check with C of G HS. They would certainly know 
Fenton 


On Mar 4, 2020, at 5:03 PM, Allen Cain <allencaintn@...> wrote:


Thanks Tim for the excellent photo.

Can anyone tell me when CG first used "The Right Way" slogan on their boxcars?

And a special thanks to Ed Hawkins who has furnished more information than this old head can assimilate!

Allen Cain

Re: SAL, ex-GF&A ARA XM-1 Box Cars

Dennis Storzek
 

Buy all you want. We can still make 'em faster than you can buy 'em! :-)

Dennis Storzek

Re: Central of Georgia Boxcar Series Help

Allen Cain
 

Thanks Tim for the excellent photo.

Can anyone tell me when CG first used "The Right Way" slogan on their boxcars?

And a special thanks to Ed Hawkins who has furnished more information than this old head can assimilate!

Allen Cain

Re: SAL, ex-GF&A ARA XM-1 Box Cars

Bill Welch
 
Edited

Hi Scott, looks like Ben is going to buy a kit for you to harvest the roof, what a guy!

Bill Welch

Re: "Dedicated" freight car service

Richard Wilkens
 

As to the Spokane, Portland & Seattle Railway, they had bulkhead flat cars in dedicated service for plaster board to Kaiser Gypsum as well as most of their wood chip gondola cars were in dedicated service with the largest customer being Crown Zellerbach Paper. I have seen photos of some cars with "Return to..." stenciling.

Rich Wilkens

Re: SAL, ex-GF&A ARA XM-1 Box Cars

Benjamin Hom
 

Bill Welch wrote:
"Scott I would suggest purchasing an Undec Accurail 8-panel SS box car with composite ends and cut their beautiful Hutchins roof off."

Better yet, buy one of the foobies and cut the roof off.  You'll get the roof, plus get that model off the streets.  Here's a prime candidate:
http://www.accurail.com/accurail/art/4500/4501.jpg

;)

Ben Hom

Re: Duryea Underframes (Was: Coupler Distance . . . )

Dennis Storzek
 

On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 09:52 AM, Randy Hees wrote:
I also note that the FRA bans freight cars (including cabooses) over 50 years of age... 
Randy,

That ban didn't take effect until far in our future, sometime right around the publication date of that book.There were no blanket age related bans during the steam ream and for that matter, waivers were available for specific pieces of equipment under the ban you cite.

Dennis Storzek

Re: SAL, ex-GF&A ARA XM-1 Box Cars

Bill Welch
 
Edited

On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 06:16 AM, Scott H. Haycock wrote:

My main concern at this time however, is the roof. I need to replace the model's roof with a Hutchin's roof.  I could really use a good photo or better yet a drawing of this roof. 
Thanks for any help,
Scott Haycock 
Scott I would suggest purchasing an Undec Accrual 8-panel SS box car with composite ends and cut their beautiful Hutchins roof off. The advantage of that body is there a flange that helps to guide a saw blade. You may need to widen the roof but any filler will be hidden but the Running Board. I have done this 3-4 times and never regretted it.

Bill Welch

"Dedicated" freight car service

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Folks;

 

The more I dig into the PRR box car fleet, the more I see of cars in dedicated service, and not just auto and auto parts service.  These other cars do not always show up in ORERs (which still have a LOT), but in photo collections like the Hagley Museum.

 

PRR was in the habit of photographing cars when they were changed or re-fitted for a new service.  Like this one:

 

https://digital.hagley.org/PRR_12085?solr_nav%5Bid%5D=781f99ec63aeaca1d03e&solr_nav%5Bpage%5D=0&solr_nav%5Boffset%5D=6

 

For those with a lot of knowledge on particular roads, do you know if a lot of this was going on within their fleets?  What types of service were they dedicated to?  Was there evidence of this on the exterior of the car?  “When empty send to….” Stencils?  Which roads was this most in evidence?

 

The more I think I know, the less I do.

 

Thanks!

 

Elden Gatwood

Re: Photo: CN Livestock Car 815029

Ian Cranstone
 

On Mar 4, 2020, at 12:24 PM, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io wrote:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/28555987@N06/16514676841/in/album-72157678690227526/

I trust this car's origins are before the cutoff date for this group. Looking at the car's end, I wonder if this car was rebuilt from a boxcar?


Sure was… specifically from CN 508017 in 1967 — this car was originally built by Canadian Car & Foundry in April 1930, and was an example of a CNR 1929 standard boxcar.  As built, these were relatively low-roofed cars, and you can see more-or-less where the original roof line was.

Ian CranstoneOsgoode, Ontario, Canada

Re: Duryea Underframes (Was: Coupler Distance . . . )

Randy Hees
 

Per AAR interchange rules (my copy is 1975) per rule 90 (cars banned for interchange) under sub-section 3a, " all freight cars 46 years or older from date built or rebuilt... (at the time 1929) and sub-section 3b "Cars built prior to April 1,1950 equipped with Duryea underframe"   

I also note that the FRA bans freight cars (including cabooses) over 50 years of age... 

Randy Hees

Photo: CN Livestock Car 815029

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: CN Livestock Car 815029

A Richard May photo:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/28555987@N06/16514676841/in/album-72157678690227526/

I trust this car's origins are before the cutoff date for this group. Looking at the car's end, I wonder if this car was rebuilt from a boxcar?

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Re: Central of Georgia Boxcar Series Help

Tim O'Connor
 


Charles R Lange photo


On 3/4/2020 6:36 AM, Todd Horton via Groups.Io wrote:
These were the last new 40’ cars purchased by the Central in 1957.  They were different in that they were delivered in a brown color as opposed to the more common freight car red.  These cars also had black ends that were missed on the Kadee model.      As far as back dating them to 1955 I have no suggestions because the next large batch of cars before that were delivered in 1953 with a monogram only and no “ Right Way” lettering.  Kadee did this car as well and it’s in the more common FCR paint color.       Todd Horton 


On Mar 4, 2020, at 1:20 AM, Richard Townsend via Groups.Io <richtownsend@...> wrote:


8300-8799 January 1958 ORER

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: Allen Cain <Allencaintn@...>
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io <main@realstmfc.groups.io>
Sent: Tue, Mar 3, 2020 7:39 pm
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Central of Georgia Boxcar Series Help

Could someone who has a ORER from November 1957 or later please tell me the number series that the boxcar CG 8734 was included in?

I am considering renumbering the Kadee part number 5216 boxcar to backdate it to 1955 so any advice on the suitability of this car for that project would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Allen Cain


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Tim O'Connor
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Re: SAL, ex-GF&A ARA XM-1 Box Cars

Tim O'Connor
 

On 3/4/2020 10:20 AM, Don Burn wrote:
Correction,

RPC 18.

Don Burn


-----Original Message-----
From: Don Burn [mailto:burn@...]
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To: 'main@RealSTMFC.groups.io' <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: RE: [RealSTMFC] SAL, ex-GF&A ARA XM-1 Box Cars

Page 45 of RPC 19.

Don Burn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of O Fenton Wells
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2020 10:11 AM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] SAL, ex-GF&A ARA XM-1 Box Cars

Scott, trying to help you and on page 42 of my RPC vol 19 is a Wabash box (NJI&I #4145) Let me know where else to look Fenton

On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 6:16 AM Scott H. Haycock <shhaycock@... <mailto:shhaycock@...> > wrote:


I just pulled this F&C kit, #8081, WofA, out my stash to work on. My plan is to turn it into the GF&A version, then letter it for the SAL as it would have looked after 1944.

Originally, when I came up with this idea, I did my research, collected everything I'll need- Kit, Trucks, Decals, a photo ... Oops! no photo. I know there is a photo of one of these cars in GF&A livery in RPC 19, pg. 42, But I don't have this book anymore. And I cant find a scan either, though I'm pretty sure I took one. I thought I had a photo of one of these cars in SAL lettering as well, but it's not in my modeling notes. If anyone can point me at a photo or two I'd appreciate it.

My main concern at this time however, is the roof. I need to replace the model's roof with a Hutchin's roof. I could really use a good photo or better yet a drawing of this roof.

Thanks for any help,

Scott Haycock

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*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*

Re: SAL, ex-GF&A ARA XM-1 Box Cars

Don Burn
 

Correction,

RPC 18.

Don Burn

-----Original Message-----
From: Don Burn [mailto:burn@...]
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2020 10:20 AM
To: 'main@RealSTMFC.groups.io' <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: RE: [RealSTMFC] SAL, ex-GF&A ARA XM-1 Box Cars

Page 45 of RPC 19.

Don Burn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of O Fenton Wells
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2020 10:11 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] SAL, ex-GF&A ARA XM-1 Box Cars

Scott, trying to help you and on page 42 of my RPC vol 19 is a Wabash box (NJI&I #4145) Let me know where else to look Fenton

On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 6:16 AM Scott H. Haycock <shhaycock@... <mailto:shhaycock@...> > wrote:


I just pulled this F&C kit, #8081, WofA, out my stash to work on. My plan is to turn it into the GF&A version, then letter it for the SAL as it would have looked after 1944.

Originally, when I came up with this idea, I did my research, collected everything I'll need- Kit, Trucks, Decals, a photo ... Oops! no photo. I know there is a photo of one of these cars in GF&A livery in RPC 19, pg. 42, But I don't have this book anymore. And I cant find a scan either, though I'm pretty sure I took one. I thought I had a photo of one of these cars in SAL lettering as well, but it's not in my modeling notes. If anyone can point me at a photo or two I'd appreciate it.

My main concern at this time however, is the roof. I need to replace the model's roof with a Hutchin's roof. I could really use a good photo or better yet a drawing of this roof.

Thanks for any help,

Scott Haycock







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Fenton Wells
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Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
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Re: SAL, ex-GF&A ARA XM-1 Box Cars

Don Burn
 

Page 45 of RPC 19.

Don Burn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of O Fenton Wells
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2020 10:11 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] SAL, ex-GF&A ARA XM-1 Box Cars

Scott, trying to help you and on page 42 of my RPC vol 19 is a Wabash box (NJI&I #4145) Let me know where else to look Fenton

On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 6:16 AM Scott H. Haycock <shhaycock@... <mailto:shhaycock@...> > wrote:


I just pulled this F&C kit, #8081, WofA, out my stash to work on. My plan is to turn it into the GF&A version, then letter it for the SAL as it would have looked after 1944.

Originally, when I came up with this idea, I did my research, collected everything I'll need- Kit, Trucks, Decals, a photo ... Oops! no photo. I know there is a photo of one of these cars in GF&A livery in RPC 19, pg. 42, But I don't have this book anymore. And I cant find a scan either, though I'm pretty sure I took one. I thought I had a photo of one of these cars in SAL lettering as well, but it's not in my modeling notes. If anyone can point me at a photo or two I'd appreciate it.

My main concern at this time however, is the roof. I need to replace the model's roof with a Hutchin's roof. I could really use a good photo or better yet a drawing of this roof.

Thanks for any help,

Scott Haycock







--

Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd

Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
@srrfan <mailto:@srrfan>