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Re: ACL paint scheme

Ed Hawkins
 



On Feb 16, 2021, at 8:27 AM, Matthew Hurst <handbt33@...> wrote:

Would anyone know what color the ACL painted their 40’ flatcars in the mid 1940’s?

Thanks in advance 

Matthew Hurst
PRRT&HS #6799

Matthew,
Throughout the 1940s-1950s, ACL’s flat cars & other open-type cars were typically black with white stencils. Some cars received black paint as the final finish coat while others received black car cement as the final coat.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Re: Boxcar identification assistance

Schuyler Larrabee
 

It mostly looks like a box car-like object, so without other identifying characteristics, I’d say it’s a . . .. box car.  However, a reefer was my first alternative thought.  And as Doug says, there were white reefers out there.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Douglas Harding
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2021 1:16 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Boxcar identification assistance

 

Kaolin clay was once transported in boxcars and left a white residue, but not to the extent to completely coat the car.

 

But are you sure the car is a boxcar? While the photo is limited in size and thus details, I wonder if it is a reefer. There were white reefers in the nations fleet.

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of O Fenton Wells
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2021 11:37 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Boxcar identification assistance

 

Schuyler., so what do you think made it white?  I don’t think it was Floquil

😁

 

On Feb 16, 2021, at 10:52 AM, Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io <schuyler.larrabee@...> wrote:



Seriously??  I beg to differ.  The white is too complete over the ENTIRE car.  I mean, I could believe that if the sides were seriously covered with dust or “product” of some kind, but the ends AND the roof are completely covered.  That’s PAINT, not “a material spill.”

 

OF course, the most interesting car in the yard is to the left of the locomotive, ERIE 77084 . . .

 

😊

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Clark Propst
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2021 9:33 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Boxcar identification assistance

 

I’m with Fenton. The car is covered with some like of material spill.

Clark

 

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Photo: Frisco Boxcar 126772 & Gondola 53222 (Circa 1940s)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Frisco Boxcar 126772 & Gondola 53222 (Circa 1940s)

A photo from the University of Texas Libraries:

https://library.uta.edu/digitalgallery/sites/library.uta.edu.digitalgallery/files/20080000-20089999/20089976.jpg

Click on the photo to enlarge it.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Earliest Color Photo of US Freight Cars?

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Agreed, PNW.  Didn’t see the tank cars ‘til I downloaded the TIFF.  Makes things a lot clearer, locos become obvious,, as does the design of the rolling stock.

 

Notice the string of short boards across the points of the switches in the foreground.  I went to Wolsztyn* in Poland in October ’19 to operate steam, but there was a lot to learn,  In the US we used miles of pipe to operate switches from towers.  In Poland, no pipe – they used a pair of wires, one to pull one way, the other to pull the other way, to operate signals and turnouts, and they were routed in ditches covered with boards like you see there.

 

In this photo, though, I don’t see a tower and I do see manual switchstands, so I don’t think that’s what’s being protected in the trench, but something’s going on there.

 

Schuyler

*Pronounced Vol-Stun

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of spsalso via groups.io
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2021 11:55 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Earliest Color Photo of US Freight Cars?

 

Schuyler,

I had that same thought.  In some ways, the photo reminds me of the Pacific Northwest.  But then there's the locomotives.  And then.....

Did ya notice the string of tank cars?



Ed

Edward Sutorik



On Mon, Feb 15, 2021 at 06:09 PM, Schuyler Larrabee wrote:

Interesting photo Ed.

 

I am moved to observe that the freight equipment doesn’t look, in terms of coloration, much different than 40 years later in the US.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of spsalso via groups.io
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2021 4:24 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Earliest Color Photo of US Freight Cars?

 

 


Re: L&N Woodracks -- 1

O Fenton Wells
 

I can send you some azalea twigs if you would like
Fenton 


On Feb 16, 2021, at 1:49 PM, Todd Sullivan via groups.io <sullivant41@...> wrote:

Bob,

Innovative approach, very convincing model.  Thanks for sharing.

Todd Sullivan.


Re: L&N Woodracks -- 1

Todd Sullivan
 

Bob,

Innovative approach, very convincing model.  Thanks for sharing.

Todd Sullivan.


L&N Woodracks -- 1

Bob Chapman
 

In childhood trips to Pensacola, I was fascinated by L&N's woodracks, seemingly as populous as boxcars on the line through town, ferrying pulpwood from the piney forests of Florida, Alabama, and Georgia to the large St. Regis paper mill just north of town. Even at a young age, I noticed that not all woodracks were alike, and later learned that L&N fielded six different styles circa-1950, mostly rebuilds -- hence a modeling project. Here's a look at variation #1 of the six.   
 
In 1940, L&N rebuilt its first 100 woodracks (#20000-20099) from 1921-vintage coke cars; the sides were easily pulled off, and original ends were lowered 18” to match load height with the car's capacity. The model is built around the Tichy flatcar (a near-exact match to the L&N prototype), and the ends scratchbuilt from brass shapes, styrene strips, and stripwood. Detailing includes ladders, grabs, brakestaff, brake system, uncoupling levers, and diagonal stay rods. Used rails along the edges of the floor tilted the load.
 
Re the load -- I had wanted to use natural materials, and every time I saw a post with a great-looking pulpwood load, I would ask “how did you do it”? The typical answer was something like “I clipped the logs off a bush in the back yard”. Here on the high plains our backyard sagebrush and tumbleweeds don’t make convincing pulpwood, so the solution here was a cast plaster load from an eBay seller, trimmed to length and height, hollowed, painted, and weathered.     
 
Regards,
Bob Chapman
 


Re: Boxcar identification assistance

Steve and Barb Hile
 

Pretty sure that it is a boxcar, it is taller than the adjacent N&W car, it appears to have a solid edge to the LH side of the door and a black placard board centered on the door.

 

Even zooming in on the maximum allowed by my browser (5X) it is still unidefinable.

 

Steve Hile

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Douglas Harding
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2021 12:16 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Boxcar identification assistance

 

Kaolin clay was once transported in boxcars and left a white residue, but not to the extent to completely coat the car.

 

But are you sure the car is a boxcar? While the photo is limited in size and thus details, I wonder if it is a reefer. There were white reefers in the nations fleet.

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of O Fenton Wells
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2021 11:37 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Boxcar identification assistance

 

Schuyler., so what do you think made it white?  I don’t think it was Floquil

😁

 

On Feb 16, 2021, at 10:52 AM, Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io <schuyler.larrabee@...> wrote:



Seriously??  I beg to differ.  The white is too complete over the ENTIRE car.  I mean, I could believe that if the sides were seriously covered with dust or “product” of some kind, but the ends AND the roof are completely covered.  That’s PAINT, not “a material spill.”

 

OF course, the most interesting car in the yard is to the left of the locomotive, ERIE 77084 . . .

 

😊

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Clark Propst
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2021 9:33 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Boxcar identification assistance

 

I’m with Fenton. The car is covered with some like of material spill.

Clark

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: Boxcar identification assistance

Douglas Harding
 

Kaolin clay was once transported in boxcars and left a white residue, but not to the extent to completely coat the car.

 

But are you sure the car is a boxcar? While the photo is limited in size and thus details, I wonder if it is a reefer. There were white reefers in the nations fleet.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of O Fenton Wells
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2021 11:37 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Boxcar identification assistance

 

Schuyler., so what do you think made it white?  I don’t think it was Floquil

😁



On Feb 16, 2021, at 10:52 AM, Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io <schuyler.larrabee@...> wrote:



Seriously??  I beg to differ.  The white is too complete over the ENTIRE car.  I mean, I could believe that if the sides were seriously covered with dust or “product” of some kind, but the ends AND the roof are completely covered.  That’s PAINT, not “a material spill.”

 

OF course, the most interesting car in the yard is to the left of the locomotive, ERIE 77084 . . .

 

😊

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Clark Propst
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2021 9:33 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Boxcar identification assistance

 

I’m with Fenton. The car is covered with some like of material spill.

Clark

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: Mopac 45’ flat car

Paul Doggett
 

Ken 

Thank you I have that never thought of looking in there 🙄🙄🙄
Paul 


On 16 Feb 2021, at 17:09, Kenneth Montero <va661midlo@...> wrote:


Paul,
 
Ted Culotta did an article on kitbashing Red Caboose flat cars to create a model of the MP 8000 series flat car in Prototype Railroading Modeling, Vol. 5, pp.12-31.Some of his comments regarding details and prototype photos may be of some use.
 
Ken Montero
On 02/16/2021 11:23 AM Paul Doggett via groups.io <paul.doggett2472@...> wrote:
 
 
Thanks Tim those are what I will be using.
 
Paul Doggett.    England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 

 

On 16 Feb 2021, at 16:11, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


Similar, using Tichy detail parts.


On 2/16/2021 10:40 AM, jerryglow2 wrote:
Ed provided me the drawing I sent to Chad to do the car. This is the end from that drawing

Attachments:


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts
<model ATHEARN bash milw_63319 46ft_flat TimOC.JPG>


Re: Boxcar identification assistance

O Fenton Wells
 

Schuyler., so what do you think made it white?  I don’t think it was Floquil
😁


On Feb 16, 2021, at 10:52 AM, Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io <schuyler.larrabee@...> wrote:



Seriously??  I beg to differ.  The white is too complete over the ENTIRE car.  I mean, I could believe that if the sides were seriously covered with dust or “product” of some kind, but the ends AND the roof are completely covered.  That’s PAINT, not “a material spill.”

 

OF course, the most interesting car in the yard is to the left of the locomotive, ERIE 77084 . . .

 

😊

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Clark Propst
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2021 9:33 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Boxcar identification assistance

 

I’m with Fenton. The car is covered with some like of material spill.

Clark

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: Mopac 45’ flat car

Kenneth Montero
 

Paul,
 
Ted Culotta did an article on kitbashing Red Caboose flat cars to create a model of the MP 8000 series flat car in Prototype Railroading Modeling, Vol. 5, pp.12-31.Some of his comments regarding details and prototype photos may be of some use.
 
Ken Montero

On 02/16/2021 11:23 AM Paul Doggett via groups.io <paul.doggett2472@...> wrote:
 
 
Thanks Tim those are what I will be using.
 
Paul Doggett.    England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 

 

On 16 Feb 2021, at 16:11, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


Similar, using Tichy detail parts.


On 2/16/2021 10:40 AM, jerryglow2 wrote:
Ed provided me the drawing I sent to Chad to do the car. This is the end from that drawing

Attachments:


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts
<model ATHEARN bash milw_63319 46ft_flat TimOC.JPG>


Re: Mopac 45’ flat car

Paul Doggett
 

Thanks Tim those are what I will be using.

Paul Doggett.    England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 


On 16 Feb 2021, at 16:11, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:



Similar, using Tichy detail parts.


On 2/16/2021 10:40 AM, jerryglow2 wrote:
Ed provided me the drawing I sent to Chad to do the car. This is the end from that drawing

Attachments:



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts
<model ATHEARN bash milw_63319 46ft_flat TimOC.JPG>


Re: Mopac 45’ flat car

Tim O'Connor
 


Similar, using Tichy detail parts.


On 2/16/2021 10:40 AM, jerryglow2 wrote:
Ed provided me the drawing I sent to Chad to do the car. This is the end from that drawing

Attachments:



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Boxcar identification assistance

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Seriously??  I beg to differ.  The white is too complete over the ENTIRE car.  I mean, I could believe that if the sides were seriously covered with dust or “product” of some kind, but the ends AND the roof are completely covered.  That’s PAINT, not “a material spill.”

 

OF course, the most interesting car in the yard is to the left of the locomotive, ERIE 77084 . . .

 

😊

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Clark Propst
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2021 9:33 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Boxcar identification assistance

 

I’m with Fenton. The car is covered with some like of material spill.

Clark

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: Mopac 45’ flat car

Paul Doggett
 

Jerry 

Thank you for sharing.

Paul Doggett.   England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 


On 16 Feb 2021, at 15:41, jerryglow2 <jerryglow@...> wrote:

Ed provided me the drawing I sent to Chad to do the car. This is the end from that drawing

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Re: Mopac 45’ flat car

jerryglow2
 

Ed provided me the drawing I sent to Chad to do the car. This is the end from that drawing


Re: Earliest Color Photo of US Freight Cars?

Chris Barkan
 

I did not see the tank cars in the Russian photo until I downloaded the 40MB tiff file.  Overall the photo is quite sharp and the color is much richer than the Boston wharf photo.  Thanks for sharing that Ed.  
So what are some other candidates for early color photos of freight cars?
Chris Barkan
Champaign, IL


Re: Boxcar identification assistance

Clark Propst
 

I’m with Fenton. The car is covered with some like of material spill.

Clark

 

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ACL paint scheme

Matthew Hurst
 

Would anyone know what color the ACL painted their 40’ flatcars in the mid 1940’s?

Thanks in advance

Matthew Hurst
PRRT&HS #6799

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