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Re: Nalco Weed Sprayer and tank cars

Doug Forbes
 

Thanks, that would be my blog on MRH.  Maybe I should have elaborated more.  My brother purchased the Great Northern Railway historical society weed sprayer kit but hasn't gotten around to building it so he let me have a go at it.  We were hoping it would be a close stand into the NALCO weed sprayer that was used on the C&EI as in the original post.  However, even a short glance shows that the GNR weed sprayer is much too different to be a close match.  Therefore, I am looking for suggestions on which type of boxcar would be a good starting point for a kitbash of the NALCO sprayer.  Does anyone recognize the corrugation patterns on the end? 
I also wanted to include a few in progress shots of the GNRHS weed sprayer resin kit. 

Re: Tri-Sorb snubbers on reefers

Bob Chaparro
 

Some of you old timers (such as myself) might remember that Athearn produced an HO scale truck frame with a black rubber insert block that vaguely resembled the two metal coil springs it was designed to replace. These certainly were easier to install than the metal coil springs. I only had six or so car kits that were so equipped.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Re: NP Refrigerators

Andy Carlson
 

And a fishbelly underframe. Dave Koaster in Southern California made a good kitbash by taking a factory painted NP Red Caboose reefer, added a Central Valley NP stock car roof narrowed down about an 1/8" and replaced the underframe with an Accurail fishbelly.

I have the RC reefer and a CVMW NP stock car roof. Buyer would need to source the underframe.

On Monday, November 11, 2019, 8:38:45 PM PST, npin53 <npin53@...> wrote:


NP wood reefers had a radial roof.

Aaron Gjermundson 

Re: NP Refrigerators

npin53
 

NP wood reefers had a radial roof.

Aaron Gjermundson 

NP Refrigerators

radiodial868
 

I was culling through my stash of Reefer kits and came across 2 Red Caboose kits (now Intermountain) in the following paint and car number.  Checked the NPRHS site (http://www.nprha.org/NP%20Refrigerator%20Cars/Forms/Thumbnails.aspx) and the car # doesn't jive. Total Foobie on a PFE body?
RJ Dial
Burlingame, CA

RR-34429

Re: Harvesting Dirt Collectors

Lester Breuer
 

Bill a good tip.   Another solution to having a good supply of dirt collectors would be for Tichy to take the dirt collector  in Set 3013 and make them available in a multiple group of that part only.  I have written Tichy suggesting Don produce such a set for us to purchase.  I ask any member of this group  interested to also write or send and email to Tchy to show there is an interest, a market  for a dirt collector only set. 

Lester Breuer

Re: Tri-Sorb snubbers on reefers

Tim O'Connor
 


That list of route miles traveled by two cars is fascinating. And only 9 round trips in 13 months!!



On 11/11/2019 6:36 PM, np328 wrote:
     While at the Chicagoland 2019 RPM gathering and after presentations were complete, I was walking past a room and noted Steve Hile, Doug Harding, Roger Hinman, and a smattering of others gathered in a presentation room with images passing on a screen.
     Of these 3 fellows above gathered in one area, I knew enough not to walk on by and quietly entered and took a seat. I can't reveal the topic at hand as this could be a future presentation in the works by one of these folks however.... for not closing the door or booting anyone out, I will bring a small token of thanks - in these image postings below.    

      Found in an NP file at the Minnesota Historical Society some time ago while on a tangential search, was this clipping of a snubber device for refrigerator cars. I am not how sure wide spread the use of these was however present them here for educational purposes should these ever be found in a photo. Other paperwork in the President's file has an NP Mechanical officer at HQ telling the Como Shops supervisor to order two dozen of these "for testing" in the same 1930's time frame. They look easy enough to reproduce in HO or any other scale. 

   For the rest of you, presented for your amusement....                                                                                                                                                               Jim Dick       Roseville, MN 

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

moderator approval>

Bud Rindfleisch
 

Any reason why this most recent post and others in the past from me have not been moderator approved?

ERDX

Bud Rindfleisch
 

Just curious as to why a post I made recently with an attached photo of an ERDX car was not posted?
    Bud Rindfleisch

Re: Nalco Weed Sprayer and tank cars

Douglas Harding
 

https://model-railroad-hobbyist.com/node/37917

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2019 9:24 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Nalco Weed Sprayer and tank cars

 

The GN society did a kit.   I built one for a friend 

In Chicago.  I am not sure if it is still available   It requires an enormous amount of scratch building.   It turned out pretty cool

Joe Binish

 

On Mon, Nov 11, 2019 at 9:00 PM BRIAN PAUL EHNI <bpehni@...> wrote:

Some enterprising individual should do a resin kit for the weed sprayer....

 

 

 

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

 

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of "Paul Doggett via Groups.Io" <paul.doggett2472=icloud.com@groups.io>
Reply-To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Monday, November 11, 2019 at 9:46 AM
To: <main@realstmfc.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Nalco Weed Sprayer and tank cars

 

That would make an interesting train.

 

Paul Doggett 

 

On 11 Nov 2019, at 15:44, BRIAN PAUL EHNI <bpehni@...> wrote:



Attached are the photos of NALCO cars I have found online (besides the ones you and Steve posted).

 

 

Thanks!
--
Error! Filename not specified.
Brian Ehni

 

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Steve and Barb Hile <shile@...>
Reply-To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Monday, November 11, 2019 at 12:11 AM
To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Nalco Weed Sprayer and tank cars

 

According to a 1966 ORER, Nalco owned 18 such cars numbered 101, 103-105 and 108-121.  Here is a shot I found of 120 working on the Rock Island in Peoria.

 

The tank cars appear to be a mix in both shots including a UTLX car behind 120.

 

It is not clear when these cars were first used, but the NALCO name apparently arrived circa 1959 shortened from National Aluminite Company, according to Wikipedia.

 

Steve Hile

 


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Doug Forbes
Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2019 11:13 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Nalco Weed Sprayer and tank cars

I am looking for help in potentially modeling this Nalco weed sprayer train that was running on the C&EI in 1959 as photographed by J. Parker Lamb.  I am looking for ideas on a good HO scale starting box car to modify into the weed sprayer as well as who might have owned the tank cars (I think Nalco owned them from other research I found) what would be good starting models for them as well.  I'm looking for any guesses or hunches or commentary you might have.  
Thanks to all!
Error! Filename not specified.

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Re: Earlier runs often better than late runs

dh30973
 

I’ll add my two cents to this discussion. About 13 years ago following his death, I purchased Gordon Cannon’s business of diesel detail parts, Cannon and Company, and continue to run it to date. The vast majority of the molds he created were made old school with a 2D pantograph and small precision milling machine with hand ground cutters in brass. Maybe a dozen were made by someone else for him in 7075 Aluminum by means of CNC machining. The advantage of brass is easy cutting and polishing, with the aluminum being slightly harder in both regards. The brass as Dennis noted is easily damaged by both stuck and partly ejected parts as the mold closes on the part. Repair can be sometimes be done but is tricky. The aluminum is more durable. Some of my brass molds have shot tens of thousands of parts with out any issue while others are getting long on the tooth. A lot seems to depend  on how much draft Gordon included. The ones with very little to no draft are more prone to sticking and therefore getting smashed, while others eject freely. But more draft makes parts with less fidelity, so there is a trade off. 
Apparently the tooling now being done by the big manufacturers and done in China are cut in steel by means of EDM. While those have the capability of millions of shots it is unlikely they will actually ever make that many. Our hobby does no longer support those quantities like the old days of Athearn blue box kits. 

Dave Hussey
Cannon and Company 

Re: Nalco Weed Sprayer and tank cars

Joseph
 

The GN society did a kit.   I built one for a friend 
In Chicago.  I am not sure if it is still available   It requires an enormous amount of scratch building.   It turned out pretty cool
Joe Binish


On Mon, Nov 11, 2019 at 9:00 PM BRIAN PAUL EHNI <bpehni@...> wrote:

Some enterprising individual should do a resin kit for the weed sprayer....

 

 

 

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

 

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of "Paul Doggett via Groups.Io" <paul.doggett2472=icloud.com@groups.io>
Reply-To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Monday, November 11, 2019 at 9:46 AM
To: <main@realstmfc.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Nalco Weed Sprayer and tank cars

 

That would make an interesting train.

 

Paul Doggett 



On 11 Nov 2019, at 15:44, BRIAN PAUL EHNI <bpehni@...> wrote:



Attached are the photos of NALCO cars I have found online (besides the ones you and Steve posted).

 

 

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

 

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Steve and Barb Hile <shile@...>
Reply-To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Monday, November 11, 2019 at 12:11 AM
To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Nalco Weed Sprayer and tank cars

 

According to a 1966 ORER, Nalco owned 18 such cars numbered 101, 103-105 and 108-121.  Here is a shot I found of 120 working on the Rock Island in Peoria.

 

The tank cars appear to be a mix in both shots including a UTLX car behind 120.

 

It is not clear when these cars were first used, but the NALCO name apparently arrived circa 1959 shortened from National Aluminite Company, according to Wikipedia.

 

Steve Hile

 


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Doug Forbes
Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2019 11:13 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Nalco Weed Sprayer and tank cars

I am looking for help in potentially modeling this Nalco weed sprayer train that was running on the C&EI in 1959 as photographed by J. Parker Lamb.  I am looking for ideas on a good HO scale starting box car to modify into the weed sprayer as well as who might have owned the tank cars (I think Nalco owned them from other research I found) what would be good starting models for them as well.  I'm looking for any guesses or hunches or commentary you might have.  
Thanks to all!

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Re: Nalco Weed Sprayer and tank cars

BRIAN PAUL EHNI
 

Some enterprising individual should do a resin kit for the weed sprayer....

 

 

 

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

 

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of "Paul Doggett via Groups.Io" <paul.doggett2472@...>
Reply-To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Monday, November 11, 2019 at 9:46 AM
To: <main@realstmfc.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Nalco Weed Sprayer and tank cars

 

That would make an interesting train.

 

Paul Doggett 



On 11 Nov 2019, at 15:44, BRIAN PAUL EHNI <bpehni@...> wrote:



Attached are the photos of NALCO cars I have found online (besides the ones you and Steve posted).

 

 

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

 

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Steve and Barb Hile <shile@...>
Reply-To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Monday, November 11, 2019 at 12:11 AM
To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Nalco Weed Sprayer and tank cars

 

According to a 1966 ORER, Nalco owned 18 such cars numbered 101, 103-105 and 108-121.  Here is a shot I found of 120 working on the Rock Island in Peoria.

 

The tank cars appear to be a mix in both shots including a UTLX car behind 120.

 

It is not clear when these cars were first used, but the NALCO name apparently arrived circa 1959 shortened from National Aluminite Company, according to Wikipedia.

 

Steve Hile

 


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Doug Forbes
Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2019 11:13 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Nalco Weed Sprayer and tank cars

I am looking for help in potentially modeling this Nalco weed sprayer train that was running on the C&EI in 1959 as photographed by J. Parker Lamb.  I am looking for ideas on a good HO scale starting box car to modify into the weed sprayer as well as who might have owned the tank cars (I think Nalco owned them from other research I found) what would be good starting models for them as well.  I'm looking for any guesses or hunches or commentary you might have.  
Thanks to all!

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Re: Earlier runs often better than late runs

Donald B. Valentine
 

Dennis Storzek wrote, "However, for items produced with quality tooling, the millionth part should look no different from the first."

I think this would be true ONLY if the person running the molding machine had enough between their ears to know what they were doing, knows what to do when something doesn't seem "right" and knoiws for sure what not to do. having seen even good steel
tooling damaged when a macine was being run manually and soneone closed it too quickly, i.e before the just molded parts had cleared. Not good.

Cordially, Don Valentine
 

Re: SP&S USRA DS Boxcar Photos

Brian Termunde
 

The three Northern Pacific groups that I belong to are;

npmodelers@groups.io, 

NPRailway@groups.io, 

nptelltale@groups.io, 

HTH!

Take Care,
 
Brian R. Termunde
Midvale, Utah

Re: Tri-Sorb snubbers on reefers

Douglas Harding
 

Jim, it was no secret, just not announced we would be gathering. The subject was the Swift reefer fleet and we were attempting to answer some questions.

 

As to the snubber, I have a photo from the Fairmont Railway Co archives that shows a Cudahy meat reefer equipped with similar rubber snubber that were being developed by Fairmont and Goodyear. A copy of this photo can be seen in page 180 in the Billboard Reefer Book published by Signature Press.

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of np328
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2019 5:36 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Tri-Sorb snubbers on reefers

 

     While at the Chicagoland 2019 RPM gathering and after presentations were complete, I was walking past a room and noted Steve Hile, Doug Harding, Roger Hinman, and a smattering of others gathered in a presentation room with images passing on a screen.
     Of these 3 fellows above gathered in one area, I knew enough not to walk on by and quietly entered and took a seat. I can't reveal the topic at hand as this could be a future presentation in the works by one of these folks however.... for not closing the door or booting anyone out, I will bring a small token of thanks - in these image postings below.    

      Found in an NP file at the Minnesota Historical Society some time ago while on a tangential search, was this clipping of a snubber device for refrigerator cars. I am not how sure wide spread the use of these was however present them here for educational purposes should these ever be found in a photo. Other paperwork in the President's file has an NP Mechanical officer at HQ telling the Como Shops supervisor to order two dozen of these "for testing" in the same 1930's time frame. They look easy enough to reproduce in HO or any other scale. 

   For the rest of you, presented for your amusement....                                                                                                                                                               Jim Dick       Roseville, MN 

Re: How's Tichy doing currently . . .

Tony Thompson
 

fred huss wrote:

I just used Tichy's Milwaukee Road box car decals and didn't notice that they were thick.  I didn't put them over rivets, however.

    Not all their sets are the same, even the ones they got from Jerry Glow. I don't know if they are changing over their production, or if production is just uneven. But DO NOT discard them without careful examination.

Tony Thompson



Tri-Sorb snubbers on reefers

np328
 

     While at the Chicagoland 2019 RPM gathering and after presentations were complete, I was walking past a room and noted Steve Hile, Doug Harding, Roger Hinman, and a smattering of others gathered in a presentation room with images passing on a screen.
     Of these 3 fellows above gathered in one area, I knew enough not to walk on by and quietly entered and took a seat. I can't reveal the topic at hand as this could be a future presentation in the works by one of these folks however.... for not closing the door or booting anyone out, I will bring a small token of thanks - in these image postings below.    

      Found in an NP file at the Minnesota Historical Society some time ago while on a tangential search, was this clipping of a snubber device for refrigerator cars. I am not how sure wide spread the use of these was however present them here for educational purposes should these ever be found in a photo. Other paperwork in the President's file has an NP Mechanical officer at HQ telling the Como Shops supervisor to order two dozen of these "for testing" in the same 1930's time frame. They look easy enough to reproduce in HO or any other scale. 

   For the rest of you, presented for your amusement....                                                                                                                                                               Jim Dick       Roseville, MN 

Re: Harvesting Dirt Collectors

James E Kubanick
 

Bill

Thanks for that tip as I had a similar problem.

Jim Kubanick
Morgantown WV

On Monday, November 11, 2019, 4:46:19 PM EST, Bill Welch <fgexbill@...> wrote:


For about a year now i have been installing the Dirt Collector to the AB Valve. The Dirt Collector is included in the Tichy "AB" Brake Set and on the Styrene Sprue of the discontinued Grandt Line/Detail Associates sets. IT is in some Westerfield kits like the ATSF Bx-11/-12/-13 series of kits.

Today as I was working on my CB&Q XM-17/-18 kit I started to wonder what to do as there was no Dirt Collector in the kits resin AB brake parts I was assembling. I could use a rob a Tichy set or a GL/DA set but I would still be short when I used one of those sets. Hmm. Wait a minute, there are Dirt Collectors on the rear end of the Tichy KC brake cylinder and I have several of those sitting around so i took a closer look. If I clipped it off just so, it would leave a piec long enough to fit into a hole drilled into the resin AB valve I was using. It I trimmed the other end just so, it would be wide enough to drill a #79 hole. The photos show the result.

Now I also have a backup if I drop one of the Tichy or GL/DA parts.

Bill Welch

Re: SP&S USRA DS Boxcar Photos

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

Ed:

I tried the NP e-mail with another question but it was not deliverable.  Is there another address?

Bill Pardie



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

-------- Original message --------
From: "spsalso via Groups.Io" <Edwardsutorik@...>
Date: 11/11/19 10:45 AM (GMT-10:00)
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] SP&S USRA DS Boxcar Photos

I recommend asking this question at:

SPSRY@groups.io

There is a good chance that there will be an article on these cars in an upcoming quarterly of the SP&S RHS.


Ed

Edward Sutorik