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Re: F&C B&M XM1

akerboomk
 

RE: the WAG cars went “everywhere” :-)

 

They did so under B&M ownership as well.

 

I’ve recently been working on the B&M “Car books” which (among other things) records when/where B&M cars were wrecked on other railroads.

A summary (just by RR & car type) is attached (from 6/1923-03/1960)

 

Not too surprising are the first 3 – I believe that is (more or less) the same order that they are in for total traffic/carloads/whatever (plus they are either direct connects, in the case of NYC, or “not too far afield”)

I’m not sure where NYNH&H ranked in terms of traffic/loads, but as they were a direct interchange partner, I’m not too surprised they were #4

 

What I find interesting is the 7 cars wrecked on (4 different) Mexican RRs

And the 7 wrecked on [CN + CP]

Showing these cars were an *international* pool of cars…

 

One other statistical anomaly – for RRs with “other” types of wrecked cars, the “other” types were all the same per RR (e.g.. the NYC only wrecked B&M baggage cars, the StJ&LC only wrecked cabooses, etc.)

 

Car book data (original scans & transcriptions) are available on the B&MRRHS web site (in on-line archives)

In case you want to find out specifics of which cars went to the FtDDM&S or WAG…

 

Ken

 


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Ken Akerboom


Re: Photo: HERX (Hershey) Insulated Boxcar Or Reefer (1960)

Jerry Breon
 

Attached (hopefully) is my build of Westerfield kit #6706 from several years ago.
Jerry Breon
Mooresville, NC


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: HERX (Hershey) Insulated Boxcar Or Reefer (1960)

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Excellent!  Thanks, Eric!

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Eric Hansmann
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2020 3:31 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: HERX (Hershey) Insulated Boxcar Or Reefer (1960)

 

Elden,

 

This info is on the site beside the image.

 

Title

Rutherford Yards

Work Type

b&w photograph

Images

Date

1960

Location

Harrisburg, PA

Rutherford Yards

40.262000

-76.785

Measurements

16x20

inches

Description

View of track conditions at Rutherford yards showing conclusively that signals must be given on left side.

#12

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2020 2:10 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: HERX (Hershey) Insulated Boxcar Or Reefer (1960)

 

There is little I can see to tell us where this yard is, but that Canadian National gon may be a hint.

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2020 2:49 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: HERX (Hershey) Insulated Boxcar Or Reefer (1960)

 

Bob and friends,

 

Well . . . the Hershey car is a lot easier to see if you flip it because Artstore has presented it backwards (see attached). The car (HERX 2215) was leased from North American and came from series 2124-2239. It was an RB bunkerless refrigerator built in 1960, with 8' doors and roller bearing trucks. Like many North American cars, the color was orange.

 

There is a photo of sister car HERX 2205 on page 57 of John Henderson's CLASSIC FREIGHT CARS, THE SERIES, VOL. 3. This photo was taken in 1976, and shows that a Hershey Foods banner had been added to the right of the door where the small assignment letter is on 2215. It was from this photo that I was able to glean the information on HERX 2215.

 

Yours Aye,

 

 

Garth Groff  🦆

 

On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 12:50 PM Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Photo: HERX (Hershey) Insulated Boxcar Or Reefer (1960)

A photo from the Cornell University Digital Collections:

BlockedBlockedhttps://library.artstor.org/#/asset/SS7731920_7731920_12131678;prevRouteTS=1601223980809

This is a partial view of the car and it is reversed.

What is known about the Hershey fleet up to this date?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: HERX (Hershey) Insulated Boxcar Or Reefer (1960)

Eric Hansmann
 

Elden,

 

This info is on the site beside the image.

 

Title

Rutherford Yards

Work Type

b&w photograph

Images

Date

1960

Location

Harrisburg, PA

Rutherford Yards

40.262000

-76.785

Measurements

16x20

inches

Description

View of track conditions at Rutherford yards showing conclusively that signals must be given on left side.

#12

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2020 2:10 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: HERX (Hershey) Insulated Boxcar Or Reefer (1960)

 

There is little I can see to tell us where this yard is, but that Canadian National gon may be a hint.

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2020 2:49 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: HERX (Hershey) Insulated Boxcar Or Reefer (1960)

 

Bob and friends,

 

Well . . . the Hershey car is a lot easier to see if you flip it because Artstore has presented it backwards (see attached). The car (HERX 2215) was leased from North American and came from series 2124-2239. It was an RB bunkerless refrigerator built in 1960, with 8' doors and roller bearing trucks. Like many North American cars, the color was orange.

 

There is a photo of sister car HERX 2205 on page 57 of John Henderson's CLASSIC FREIGHT CARS, THE SERIES, VOL. 3. This photo was taken in 1976, and shows that a Hershey Foods banner had been added to the right of the door where the small assignment letter is on 2215. It was from this photo that I was able to glean the information on HERX 2215.

 

Yours Aye,

 

 

Garth Groff  🦆

 

On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 12:50 PM Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Photo: HERX (Hershey) Insulated Boxcar Or Reefer (1960)

A photo from the Cornell University Digital Collections:

Blockedhttps://library.artstor.org/#/asset/SS7731920_7731920_12131678;prevRouteTS=1601223980809

This is a partial view of the car and it is reversed.

What is known about the Hershey fleet up to this date?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


NC&StL 36' XM-32 rebuilt boxcar

Chuck Cover
 

Group,

Has anyone kit bashed one of these rebuilt boxcars?  I know Sunshine had a kit for them but I have not been able to come up with one.  If anyone has information on kit bashing the XM-32, please let me know.  Thanks in advance.

Chuck Cover
Santa Fe, NM


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: HERX (Hershey) Insulated Boxcar Or Reefer (1960)

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

There is little I can see to tell us where this yard is, but that Canadian National gon may be a hint.

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2020 2:49 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: HERX (Hershey) Insulated Boxcar Or Reefer (1960)

 

Bob and friends,

 

Well . . . the Hershey car is a lot easier to see if you flip it because Artstore has presented it backwards (see attached). The car (HERX 2215) was leased from North American and came from series 2124-2239. It was an RB bunkerless refrigerator built in 1960, with 8' doors and roller bearing trucks. Like many North American cars, the color was orange.

 

There is a photo of sister car HERX 2205 on page 57 of John Henderson's CLASSIC FREIGHT CARS, THE SERIES, VOL. 3. This photo was taken in 1976, and shows that a Hershey Foods banner had been added to the right of the door where the small assignment letter is on 2215. It was from this photo that I was able to glean the information on HERX 2215.

 

Yours Aye,

 

 

Garth Groff  🦆

 

On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 12:50 PM Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Photo: HERX (Hershey) Insulated Boxcar Or Reefer (1960)

A photo from the Cornell University Digital Collections:

Blockedhttps://library.artstor.org/#/asset/SS7731920_7731920_12131678;prevRouteTS=1601223980809

This is a partial view of the car and it is reversed.

What is known about the Hershey fleet up to this date?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: F&C B&M XM1

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

Mark,

And get around they did. Attached is my photo of one in the SP's Roseville yard circa 1968. 

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 2:02 PM Mark Rossiter <mrossiter327@...> wrote:

Mike, thanks for the comprehensive history of these cars.  I am a sucker for box cars of smaller, lesser known roads.  The fact that some WAG cars roamed the country really flats my boat!  Thanks again!

 

Mark Rossiter

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: HERX (Hershey) Insulated Boxcar Or Reefer (1960)

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Guys;

 

We had a lengthy discussion on this photo in another forum, and none of the talented photo manipulators could do much better.  Maybe you can?

 

The presence of so many PRR cars is a treat, as are the WP and CNW box cars.

 

This scene is so modelable, I am surprised I haven’t seen it done.  Just look at the great details both in and around the yard.  Fabulous.

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2020 2:03 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: HERX (Hershey) Insulated Boxcar Or Reefer (1960)

 

Erie (or anyone) can you read a car number on that image?

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Eric Hansmann
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2020 1:26 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: HERX (Hershey) Insulated Boxcar Or Reefer (1960)

 

I don’t have any data on the evolving Hershey house car fleet. I did see this 1935 image recently that features a starkly different looking Hershey car in a Pittsburgh team yard.

Blockedhttps://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3A715.3525839.CP

 


Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2020 11:51 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: HERX (Hershey) Insulated Boxcar Or Reefer (1960)

 

Photo: HERX (Hershey) Insulated Boxcar Or Reefer (1960)

A photo from the Cornell University Digital Collections:

Blockedhttps://library.artstor.org/#/asset/SS7731920_7731920_12131678;prevRouteTS=1601223980809

This is a partial view of the car and it is reversed.

What is known about the Hershey fleet up to this date?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Photo: HERX (Hershey) Insulated Boxcar Or Reefer (1960)

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

Bob and friends,

Well . . . the Hershey car is a lot easier to see if you flip it because Artstore has presented it backwards (see attached). The car (HERX 2215) was leased from North American and came from series 2124-2239. It was an RB bunkerless refrigerator built in 1960, with 8' doors and roller bearing trucks. Like many North American cars, the color was orange.

There is a photo of sister car HERX 2205 on page 57 of John Henderson's CLASSIC FREIGHT CARS, THE SERIES, VOL. 3. This photo was taken in 1976, and shows that a Hershey Foods banner had been added to the right of the door where the small assignment letter is on 2215. It was from this photo that I was able to glean the information on HERX 2215.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 12:50 PM Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Photo: HERX (Hershey) Insulated Boxcar Or Reefer (1960)

A photo from the Cornell University Digital Collections:

https://library.artstor.org/#/asset/SS7731920_7731920_12131678;prevRouteTS=1601223980809

This is a partial view of the car and it is reversed.

What is known about the Hershey fleet up to this date?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Photo: HERX (Hershey) Insulated Boxcar Or Reefer (1960)

Eric Hansmann
 

Attached is the adjusted image.

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2020 1:03 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: HERX (Hershey) Insulated Boxcar Or Reefer (1960)

 

Erie (or anyone) can you read a car number on that image?

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Eric Hansmann
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2020 1:26 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: HERX (Hershey) Insulated Boxcar Or Reefer (1960)

 

I don’t have any data on the evolving Hershey house car fleet. I did see this 1935 image recently that features a starkly different looking Hershey car in a Pittsburgh team yard.

https://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3A715.3525839.CP

 


Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2020 11:51 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: HERX (Hershey) Insulated Boxcar Or Reefer (1960)

 

Photo: HERX (Hershey) Insulated Boxcar Or Reefer (1960)

A photo from the Cornell University Digital Collections:

https://library.artstor.org/#/asset/SS7731920_7731920_12131678;prevRouteTS=1601223980809

This is a partial view of the car and it is reversed.

What is known about the Hershey fleet up to this date?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Photo: HERX (Hershey) Insulated Boxcar Or Reefer (1960)

O Fenton Wells
 

No but my mouth is watering
Fenton

On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 2:03 PM Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io <schuyler.larrabee=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Erie (or anyone) can you read a car number on that image?

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Eric Hansmann
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2020 1:26 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: HERX (Hershey) Insulated Boxcar Or Reefer (1960)

 

I don’t have any data on the evolving Hershey house car fleet. I did see this 1935 image recently that features a starkly different looking Hershey car in a Pittsburgh team yard.

https://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3A715.3525839.CP

 


Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2020 11:51 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: HERX (Hershey) Insulated Boxcar Or Reefer (1960)

 

Photo: HERX (Hershey) Insulated Boxcar Or Reefer (1960)

A photo from the Cornell University Digital Collections:

https://library.artstor.org/#/asset/SS7731920_7731920_12131678;prevRouteTS=1601223980809

This is a partial view of the car and it is reversed.

What is known about the Hershey fleet up to this date?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA



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Re: Photo: HERX (Hershey) Insulated Boxcar Or Reefer (1960)

Eric Hansmann
 

Schuyler,

 

I played around with the image in Photoshop but was unable to determine a car number. The first letter in the reporting marks seems to be a G, so it might be a GARX car.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2020 1:03 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: HERX (Hershey) Insulated Boxcar Or Reefer (1960)

 

Erie (or anyone) can you read a car number on that image?

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Eric Hansmann
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2020 1:26 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: HERX (Hershey) Insulated Boxcar Or Reefer (1960)

 

I don’t have any data on the evolving Hershey house car fleet. I did see this 1935 image recently that features a starkly different looking Hershey car in a Pittsburgh team yard.

https://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3A715.3525839.CP

 


Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2020 11:51 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: HERX (Hershey) Insulated Boxcar Or Reefer (1960)

 

Photo: HERX (Hershey) Insulated Boxcar Or Reefer (1960)

A photo from the Cornell University Digital Collections:

https://library.artstor.org/#/asset/SS7731920_7731920_12131678;prevRouteTS=1601223980809

This is a partial view of the car and it is reversed.

What is known about the Hershey fleet up to this date?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: F&C B&M XM1

Clark Propst
 

Beings you like to talk about these cars Mike. Why don't you give a talk on the virtual RPM sometime? Great info BTW
Clark Propst


Re: Photo: HERX (Hershey) Insulated Boxcar Or Reefer (1960)

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Erie (or anyone) can you read a car number on that image?

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Eric Hansmann
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2020 1:26 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: HERX (Hershey) Insulated Boxcar Or Reefer (1960)

 

I don’t have any data on the evolving Hershey house car fleet. I did see this 1935 image recently that features a starkly different looking Hershey car in a Pittsburgh team yard.

https://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3A715.3525839.CP

 


Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2020 11:51 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: HERX (Hershey) Insulated Boxcar Or Reefer (1960)

 

Photo: HERX (Hershey) Insulated Boxcar Or Reefer (1960)

A photo from the Cornell University Digital Collections:

https://library.artstor.org/#/asset/SS7731920_7731920_12131678;prevRouteTS=1601223980809

This is a partial view of the car and it is reversed.

What is known about the Hershey fleet up to this date?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: F&C B&M XM1

Mark Rossiter
 

Mike, thanks for the comprehensive history of these cars.  I am a sucker for box cars of smaller, lesser known roads.  The fact that some WAG cars roamed the country really flats my boat!  Thanks again!

 

Mark Rossiter

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: Photo: HERX (Hershey) Insulated Boxcar Or Reefer (1960)

Eric Hansmann
 

I don’t have any data on the evolving Hershey house car fleet. I did see this 1935 image recently that features a starkly different looking Hershey car in a Pittsburgh team yard.

https://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3A715.3525839.CP

 


Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2020 11:51 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: HERX (Hershey) Insulated Boxcar Or Reefer (1960)

 

Photo: HERX (Hershey) Insulated Boxcar Or Reefer (1960)

A photo from the Cornell University Digital Collections:

https://library.artstor.org/#/asset/SS7731920_7731920_12131678;prevRouteTS=1601223980809

This is a partial view of the car and it is reversed.

What is known about the Hershey fleet up to this date?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: HERX (Hershey) Insulated Boxcar Or Reefer (1960)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: HERX (Hershey) Insulated Boxcar Or Reefer (1960)

A photo from the Cornell University Digital Collections:

https://library.artstor.org/#/asset/SS7731920_7731920_12131678;prevRouteTS=1601223980809

This is a partial view of the car and it is reversed.

What is known about the Hershey fleet up to this date?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: PRM - Vol 5

Kenneth Montero
 

Ken,

Ron's Books (https://www.ronsbooks.com/ ) and Pro Custom Hobbies in Sykesville, Maryland (email at  procustomhobbies@... ,  tel. 410-459-9169, closed Mondays) had this book for sale. I don't know if they have any copies left.

Ken Montero

On 09/28/2020 8:05 AM Ken O'Brien <kobrien1600@...> wrote:


Will there be additional runs of this book. I missed the initial announcement.

Ken O'Brien


Re: PRM - Vol 5

Ken O'Brien
 

Will there be additional runs of this book. I missed the initial announcement.

Ken O'Brien


PRM - Vol 5

James Brewer
 

My copy of Ted's latest journal arrived last week and I had some time during the Hindsight breaks yesterday and today to review; another excellent work by a superb modeler.

Loads of prototype and modeling information and details; there are projects for all levels from beginner to advanced modeler.  Want to try a resin kit or kitbash? There is something here for you. Ted describes many of his techniques in a clear and concise manner.

If you haven't already gotten your copy you can find it here:


Jim Brewer

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