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Re: Steel 40' Wilson's reefers

Bob Chaparro
 

On Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 03:50 PM, Steve and Barb Hile wrote:
"...they have a horizontal seam running the length of the side, like many all steel meat reefers."
Not so sure this is a spotting feature of meat reefers. ART had RS reefers with the horizontal rivet seam and I've seen a lot of steel sheathed meat reefers lacking the seam. Perhaps this is a builder's spotting feature?

Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Re: Steel 40' Wilson's reefers

Bud Rindfleisch
 

Steve Hile,
    Yes, I saw the horizontal riveted seam, had planned that with a strip of Evergreen and Archer rivets but I didn't realize the length was longer, that's kind of a deal breaker now. Thanks for the info, guess I'll just stick with the wood Wilson's.
     Bud Rindfleisch


Re: Another dry ice car

Tom Madden
 

On Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 04:38 PM, BRIAN PAUL EHNI wrote:

As to color, I would assume either white or silver. Probably white; see below. No, it’s not Mathieson, but a competitor.

For the car I photographed in 1961, it really looks to be gray. With red ends. Here's a cropped portion of the photo I took just prior to the other one, while the Baldwins were picking up the Erie covered hopper from the interchange track.

Tom Madden

 


Re: Steel 40' Wilson's reefers

mel perry
 

bud:
didn't john do a version with the seam?
the rest would be a standby foobie
;-)
mel


On Mon, Feb 22, 2021, 2:54 PM Bud Rindfleisch <BlackDiamondRR@...> wrote:
Doug,
    Yes sir that be the photo, thank you! They look to be a tad taller than say a PFE R40-23 or similar with the sill tabs removed and a straight sill out of styrene added in their place. I was hoping it would be that easy!
     Bud Rindfleisch


Re: Steel 40' Wilson's reefers

Steve and Barb Hile
 

Bud,

 

There are a couple of challenges with these steel Wilson reefers, as compared to PFE R-40-23.  One, they have a horizontal seam running the length of the side, like many all steel meat reefers.

 

Two, they are 44’11” outside length, so 10% longer than a 40 foot reefer.

 

Steve Hile

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bud Rindfleisch
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Steel 40' Wilson's reefers

 

Doug,

    Yes sir that be the photo, thank you! They look to be a tad taller than say a PFE R40-23 or similar with the sill tabs removed and a straight sill out of styrene added in their place. I was hoping it would be that easy!

     Bud Rindfleisch


Re: Another dry ice car

Chuck Cover
 

Here is a Westerfield Mathieson Dry Ice Reefer model.

 

Chuck Cover

Santa Fe, NM


Re: Another dry ice car

 

As to color, I would assume either white or silver. Probably white; see below. No, it’s not Mathieson, but a competitor.

 

Here are color photos of other DICX cars, and they’re white.

 

 

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

 

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of "Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io" <schuyler.larrabee@...>
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Date: Monday, February 22, 2021 at 12:24 PM
To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Another dry ice car

 

Wotta Door! On CINX 5050.

 

Any clues on the colors of D.I.C.X. 190 ?  And is that a Mathieson car?  Unusual to have the reporting letters and the number on the same line between the lines above and below.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of BRIAN PAUL EHNI
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2021 11:41 PM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Another dry ice car

 

Here’s some from my collection.

 

 

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

 


Re: Steel 40' Wilson's reefers

Bud Rindfleisch
 

Doug,
    Yes sir that be the photo, thank you! They look to be a tad taller than say a PFE R40-23 or similar with the sill tabs removed and a straight sill out of styrene added in their place. I was hoping it would be that easy!
     Bud Rindfleisch


Re: heavy duty trucks on B&LE hoppers

Bud Rindfleisch
 

Chris,
    I'm not 100% certain what Corey is doing for the journals on the HO trucks, whether the conical shape is molded into the sideframes or Tichy Delrin inserts are used. Either way the axle length needed to be determined for proper bolster length in the design phase. Keeping my fingers crossed these will come to fruition for us in S.
    Bud Rindfleisch


Re: Stencil On CB&Q Boxcar

Craig Wilson
 

GBW 40' PS-1 boxcars (700-899) in their original PS paint had similar lettering in the same location just to the left of the door:

"THIS CAR MUST NOT BE
LOADED WITH ANY
COMMODITY THAT WILL
RENDER IT UNFIT FOR
FLOUR OR PAPER LOADING"
(GBW 897, BLT 11-58, NOR 6.58)

Craig Wilson


Re: Stencil On CB&Q Boxcar

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

Bob,

Not an answer to your question, but in the 1970s I remember seeing WP 50' boxcars in Sacramento Northern's West Sacramento Yard that were stenciled as restricted to scrap battery loading. Lead is nasty stuff.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 1:47 PM Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Stencil On CB&Q Boxcar

This photo of CB&Q Boxcar 25776 was posted on the CB&Q Group by Hol Wagner.

What caught my eye was the stencil spelling out what commodities should not be loaded in this car:

DO NOT LOAD WITH LIME SODA ASH

BULK CEMENT CARBON BLACK HIDES

OIL TAR AND CREOSOTE PRODUCTS OR

ANY COMMODITY THAT WILL RENDER

IT UNFIT FOR FLOUR OR GRAIN LOADING

I wonder how often these loading restrictions were violated and what penalties were applied as a result?

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Another dry ice car

Schuyler Larrabee
 

The look pretty close!

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Townsend via groups.io
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2021 3:03 PM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Another dry ice car

 

These hinges might work for those doors: https://www.tichytraingroup.com/Shop/tabid/91/c/doors1/p/3068-hinge/Default.aspx

Richard Townsend

Lincoln City, OR

 

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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Another dry ice car

Wotta Door! On CINX 5050.

 

Any clues on the colors of D.I.C.X. 190 ?  And is that a Mathieson car?  Unusual to have the reporting letters and the number on the same line between the lines above and below.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of BRIAN PAUL EHNI
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2021 11:41 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Another dry ice car

 

Here’s some from my collection.

 

 

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

 


Re: Stencil On CB&Q Boxcar

akerboomk
 

IIRC,

the railroad allowing a shipper to load the car with one of the “contaminating” loads had to pay for rebuilding (relining the interior?) the car


--
Ken Akerboom


Re: Stencil On CB&Q Boxcar

Todd Sullivan
 

Bob,

Another form of an answer to your question about penalties is this:  We had a Manager of Clerks, R. H. Blackburn, who would likely be the person to have a conversation with you if you screwed up and assigned a really good boxcar to be loaded with gook.  I experienced R. H.'s displeasure one or two times, and it was not something I knowingly would set myself up for.  He would chew you up one side and own the other, turn you inside out and start over.  Not a fun experience.  (To be fair to R.H. he was even-handed, and did a lot of good things for me during my employment.)

OTOH, I suppose some agent in a remote town could assign the car for gook loading and contaminate it, and then pay no penalty, but there were other managers in the field who looked over their shoulders, so they could be caught. 

I'm sure others can chime in with other opinions and experiences.

Todd Sullivan


Re: Stencil On CB&Q Boxcar

Todd Sullivan
 

Hi Bob,

Neat photos.  In the 1960s, when I clerked for a RR, it was unusual to see such stenciling unless the car was a hide car.  Hide cars were unfit for anything else, and were so stenciled.  As a Car Distributor or Clerk, I would have done my best to see that the loading restrictions were observed.  Usually, if a customer calls for an empty of a particular type, one can find a suitable car in one's local car supply.  Sometimes, one would have to get creative, but why ruin a good car that was sound and tight by loading some kind of gook into it?  Good cars were really hard to come by at times, so messing up a good one was kind of unforgivable.

I hope this answer helps.

Todd Sullivan


Re: Another dry ice car

jerryglow2
 

I did decals for the late Stan Rydarowicz for a series of dry ice cars now part of Tichy's line. I can make variations for specific cars  jerryglow at comcast dot net


Re: Another dry ice car

Richard Townsend
 

These hinges might work for those doors: https://www.tichytraingroup.com/Shop/tabid/91/c/doors1/p/3068-hinge/Default.aspx

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


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To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Another dry ice car

Wotta Door! On CINX 5050.
 
Any clues on the colors of D.I.C.X. 190 ?  And is that a Mathieson car?  Unusual to have the reporting letters and the number on the same line between the lines above and below.
 
Schuyler
 
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of BRIAN PAUL EHNI
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2021 11:41 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Another dry ice car
 
Here’s some from my collection.
 
 
Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni
 


Stencil On CB&Q Boxcar

Bob Chaparro
 

Stencil On CB&Q Boxcar

This photo of CB&Q Boxcar 25776 was posted on the CB&Q Group by Hol Wagner.

What caught my eye was the stencil spelling out what commodities should not be loaded in this car:

DO NOT LOAD WITH LIME SODA ASH

BULK CEMENT CARBON BLACK HIDES

OIL TAR AND CREOSOTE PRODUCTS OR

ANY COMMODITY THAT WILL RENDER

IT UNFIT FOR FLOUR OR GRAIN LOADING

I wonder how often these loading restrictions were violated and what penalties were applied as a result?

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Another dry ice car

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Wotta Door! On CINX 5050.

 

Any clues on the colors of D.I.C.X. 190 ?  And is that a Mathieson car?  Unusual to have the reporting letters and the number on the same line between the lines above and below.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of BRIAN PAUL EHNI
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2021 11:41 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Another dry ice car

 

Here’s some from my collection.

 

 

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

 


Re: heavy duty trucks on B&LE hoppers

bigfourroad
 

Hit the wrong key, I was saying...
A very intelligent question for anyone designing the trucks to be sure. 
Chris Rooney 

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