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Re: Boxcar identification assistance

O Fenton Wells
 

I'm going to comment here and I'm not speaking from actual knowledge of the white freight car but to me it looks like a standard 40 boxcar that was being loaded with cement or another white powdery substance.  And something went wrong at the loading facility.  Growing up in the south and going around rail yards and freight trains I saw many boxcars that had much white "powder" on the roof and sides.Never knew what it was and still don't but my guess is that is what the white boxcar is.  But in the 1950's and 1960's it was pretty common.  Saw it a lot on the early covered hoppers as well.

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Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
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Re: Earliest Color Photo of US Freight Cars?

spsalso
 

Schuyler,

I had that same thought.  In some ways, the photo reminds me of the Pacific Northwest.  But then there's the locomotives.  And then.....

Did ya notice the string of tank cars?



Ed

Edward Sutorik



On Mon, Feb 15, 2021 at 06:09 PM, Schuyler Larrabee wrote:

Interesting photo Ed.

 

I am moved to observe that the freight equipment doesn’t look, in terms of coloration, much different than 40 years later in the US.

 

Schuyler

 

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Re: Boxcar identification assistance

Allan Smith
 

Also see RPC Vol 31-32 Page 196-197

Al Smith
Sonora CA

On Monday, February 15, 2021, 07:10:06 PM PST, Allan Smith <smithal9@...> wrote:



NKP series 20000-20199 Built P_S 1940 See Mainline Modeler Feb 1988 and RMJ Nov 1993

Al; Smith
Sonora CA
On Monday, February 15, 2021, 07:44:27 AM PST, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:



built in 1940 I think


On 2/14/2021 3:19 PM, Brent Greer wrote:
In the accompanying link, at the far left of the photo there is a boxcar that caught my attention.

https://www.nwhs.org/archivesdb/detail.php?ID=84144

I cannot really make out the lettering on the car, but the general shape of it makes me think it could read "Nickel Plate Road", and the unusual number of panels making up the car side make me think that that this could be an aluminum sheathed car.

I would appreciate the opinions of the experts here on our list.

Sincere thanks,
Brent

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Boxcar identification assistance

Allan Smith
 


NKP series 20000-20199 Built P_S 1940 See Mainline Modeler Feb 1988 and RMJ Nov 1993

Al; Smith
Sonora CA

On Monday, February 15, 2021, 07:44:27 AM PST, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:



built in 1940 I think


On 2/14/2021 3:19 PM, Brent Greer wrote:
In the accompanying link, at the far left of the photo there is a boxcar that caught my attention.

https://www.nwhs.org/archivesdb/detail.php?ID=84144

I cannot really make out the lettering on the car, but the general shape of it makes me think it could read "Nickel Plate Road", and the unusual number of panels making up the car side make me think that that this could be an aluminum sheathed car.

I would appreciate the opinions of the experts here on our list.

Sincere thanks,
Brent

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Earliest Color Photo of US Freight Cars?

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Interesting photo Ed.

 

I am moved to observe that the freight equipment doesn’t look, in terms of coloration, much different than 40 years later in the US.

 

Schuyler

 

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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Earliest Color Photo of US Freight Cars?

 

Here's another early color photograph, from 1910:

https://www.loc.gov/pictures/resource/prokc.20533/?co=prok

Zlatoust Station, somewhere in Russia, by Prokudin-Gorski.

It's a different process than the one under discussion.  It was done using three exposures through three colored filters.  You can see that, while the result is quite a bit sharper, it does not tolerate movement in the subject.


Ed

Edward Sutorik


Re: Earliest Color Photo of US Freight Cars?

Schuyler Larrabee
 

The wharf buildings seen in the second link Chris provided are, STILL are, stone.

 

Schuyler

 

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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Earliest Color Photo of US Freight Cars?

 

I’m not too familiar with that pier.

Does anyone know if the buildings are/were brick or stone?

 

If stone (I’m thinking this is likely), it still might be an original color image

If brick, I’m thinking the buildings should be a different color, so the image is colorized.

 

It’s too fuzzy to tell much about mortar lines

Ken


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Re: gondola NYC 715035 with load in 1960 at Lukens Steel

Brian Carlson
 

I wish we could get an updated version of that end. I missed it the 80s. I was in grade school and who knew I’d need one nearly 40 years later LOL.

Brian J. Carlson 

On Feb 15, 2021, at 8:34 PM, Todd Sullivan via groups.io <sullivant41@...> wrote:

Phil,

These gons are fairly well represented by the Proto2000 model (need a few detail changes), and by the old National Car Cast (1960s Canadian very small company) ABS moldings of a rebuilt PC configuration.

Todd Sullivan.


RC GS gondola dump mechanisms

espee4441
 

Of course I ended up buying this RC GS gondola in the WP foobie version fifteen years or more ago. I'm going to build it anyways. Have searched repeatedly on the 'net how the dump mechanismis supposed to be glued and even the Rio Grande one here in the photo files isn't that clear. Does the small offset tab on the main square block looking thing get attached vertically to the car bottom? Or do they rest diagonally on the door itself? The instructions aren't that clear.

Thank you,

Tony Pawley


Re: gondola NYC 715035 with load in 1960 at Lukens Steel

Todd Sullivan
 

Phil,

These gons are fairly well represented by the Proto2000 model (need a few detail changes), and by the old National Car Cast (1960s Canadian very small company) ABS moldings of a rebuilt PC configuration.

Todd Sullivan.


Re: Photo: Mostly Gondolas (Circa 1940s)

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 


Hi David,
 
I think that is a RDG reefer. These were not conversions, they were purpose-built reefers, built in 1923 for the Philadelphia & Reading. Certainly quite unusual design as reefers go!
 
Claus Schlund
 

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Sent: Monday, February 15, 2021 6:17 PM
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Mostly Gondolas (Circa 1940s)

Whose reefer conversion is behind the MP gon?

David Thompson







Photo: Mostly Gondolas (Circa 1940s)

David
 

Whose reefer conversion is behind the MP gon?

David Thompson


Photo: Mostly Gondolas (Circa 1940s)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Mostly Gondolas (Circa 1940s)

A photo from the University of Texas Libraries:

https://library.uta.edu/digitalgallery/sites/library.uta.edu.digitalgallery/files/20080000-20089999/20089977.jpg

Click on the photo to enlarge it.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


GNRHS GN equipment diagram books - digital downloads for purchase

Paul Krueger
 

The Great Northern Railway Historical Society has added a bunch of digital equipment diagram books to their online company store. They are a very reasonable $4.95 each.
https://gnrhs.myshopify.com/collections/gnrhs-digital-publications/diagrams?fbclid=IwAR1xw8b4gN4bjgMT8dkDgo7uC-7Xs_3QJaVBfMA10bqM1Vc3R_Eqqhtl-H0

I purchased the 1927 freight equipment diagram book. After paying for it on the website, I was immediately sent an email with a link to download the files. Instant gratification! 

The book is in three separate PDF files, one for the index and two for the diagram sheets (1-50 and 51-79). The diagram sheet files were 51 and 31 MB, so fairly big. After a quick perusal, it looks like it is a scan of a photocopy. They are black line on white background. Nearly all of the diagrams are very clear and legible, though a few are a bit light in areas and a couple are a bit dark.

Overall, I think it is a good value for the money. It would be great to see more historical societies do this.

Paul

Paul Krueger
Seattle, WA


Re: gondola NYC 715035 with load in 1960 at Lukens Steel

nyc3001 .
 
Edited

There were 2500 of these gondolas in lots 821-G to 823-G and lot 829-G built in 1951 and an additional 1000 built in 1952 in lot 830-G. 

They would be a great modeling subject given their large numbers.

-Phil


Re: Earliest Color Photo of US Freight Cars?

spsalso
 

Here's another early color photograph, from 1910:

https://www.loc.gov/pictures/resource/prokc.20533/?co=prok

Zlatoust Station, somewhere in Russia, by Prokudin-Gorski.

It's a different process than the one under discussion.  It was done using three exposures through three colored filters.  You can see that, while the result is quite a bit sharper, it does not tolerate movement in the subject.


Ed

Edward Sutorik


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] gondola NYC 715035 with load in 1960 at Lukens Steel

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Thanks, John!

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Holmes
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2021 12:43 PM
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Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] gondola NYC 715035 with load in 1960 at Lukens Steel

 

Railroad Model Craftsman, February 2021, page 58, has an article on building a load of large storage tank lids, and the related support framework.

John Holmes



On Feb 15, 2021, at 10:39 AM, Gatwood, Elden J SAD <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:

Guys;

 

We talked about these cars earlier.  NYC, PRR and RDG all had their versions for Lukens traffic; PRR attached.  Some of the tank heads from Lukens were VERY large, pushing the clearance diagram to its limit.

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2021 11:05 AM
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Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] gondola NYC 715035 with load in 1960 at Lukens Steel

 


Definitely NOT 1960. Probably winter 1951=1952. That gondola is pristine, and was built in October 1951.

Cool load. What would these be used for?


On 1/18/2021 3:58 PM, Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) wrote:

Hi List Members,

 

Cool image of gondola NYC 715035 with load in 1960 at Lukens Steel. Note the gon has some kind of internal (possibly semi-permanent?) structure to help brace the load

 

 

Enjoy!

 

Claus Schlund

 


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

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Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] gondola NYC 715035 with load in 1960 at Lukens Steel

John Holmes
 

Railroad Model Craftsman, February 2021, page 58, has an article on building a load of large storage tank lids, and the related support framework.

John Holmes

On Feb 15, 2021, at 10:39 AM, Gatwood, Elden J SAD <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:



Guys;

 

We talked about these cars earlier.  NYC, PRR and RDG all had their versions for Lukens traffic; PRR attached.  Some of the tank heads from Lukens were VERY large, pushing the clearance diagram to its limit.

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2021 11:05 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] gondola NYC 715035 with load in 1960 at Lukens Steel

 


Definitely NOT 1960. Probably winter 1951=1952. That gondola is pristine, and was built in October 1951.

Cool load. What would these be used for?


On 1/18/2021 3:58 PM, Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) wrote:

Hi List Members,

 

Cool image of gondola NYC 715035 with load in 1960 at Lukens Steel. Note the gon has some kind of internal (possibly semi-permanent?) structure to help brace the load

 

 

Enjoy!

 

Claus Schlund

 


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

<PRR F25B-495477.JPG>


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] gondola NYC 715035 with load in 1960 at Lukens Steel

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Guys;

 

We talked about these cars earlier.  NYC, PRR and RDG all had their versions for Lukens traffic; PRR attached.  Some of the tank heads from Lukens were VERY large, pushing the clearance diagram to its limit.

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2021 11:05 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] gondola NYC 715035 with load in 1960 at Lukens Steel

 


Definitely NOT 1960. Probably winter 1951=1952. That gondola is pristine, and was built in October 1951.

Cool load. What would these be used for?


On 1/18/2021 3:58 PM, Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) wrote:

Hi List Members,

 

Cool image of gondola NYC 715035 with load in 1960 at Lukens Steel. Note the gon has some kind of internal (possibly semi-permanent?) structure to help brace the load

 

 

Enjoy!

 

Claus Schlund

 


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: NYC resin gondola build part 5

Eric Hansmann
 

Jerry Hamsmith served the kudos. He pulled together notes and photos from several friends all building the same kit.

 

Eric Hansmann

RCW web guy

…in icy Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2021 8:59 AM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] NYC resin gondola build part 5

 

Hi Eric,

 

Thanks for the blog entry, a great way for me to start my morning, I especially enjoyed reading the parts related to weathering.

 

Claus Schlund

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, February 15, 2021 8:06 AM

Subject: [RealSTMFC] NYC resin gondola build part 5

 

Jerry Hamsmith and his Gondola Group have wrapped up their Resin Car Works NYC 50-foot steel gondola model build with painting, decaling, and weathering. It’s a ray of sunshine to enjoy on the RCW blog during winter’s grip.

http://blog.resincarworks.com/nyc-50-foot-drop-bottom-gondola-part-5/

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN


Re: gondola NYC 715035 with load in 1960 at Lukens Steel

Douglas Harding
 

Load looks like ends or caps for large tanks. The hole makes me think of a horizontal propane tank or something similar.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2021 10:05 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] gondola NYC 715035 with load in 1960 at Lukens Steel

 


Definitely NOT 1960. Probably winter 1951=1952. That gondola is pristine, and was built in October 1951.

Cool load. What would these be used for?


On 1/18/2021 3:58 PM, Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) wrote:

Hi List Members,

 

Cool image of gondola NYC 715035 with load in 1960 at Lukens Steel. Note the gon has some kind of internal (possibly semi-permanent?) structure to help brace the load

 

 

Enjoy!

 

Claus Schlund

 


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

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