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Re: Old Photos from Southern Railway in Knoxville yard
earlyrail
My apologies.
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Re: Photo: Boxcar Door Stenciling (Circa 1943)
Benjamin Hom
Bob Chaparro asked: "Photo: Boxcar Door Stenciling (Circa 1943) A photo from the Detroit Public Library: https://digitalcollections.detroitpubliclibrary.org/islandora/object/islandora%3A257918 Click and hold to enlarge photo. The door is stenciled "9-5", "10-6" and "8-E". Translation?" Note that the car is a Pere Marquette automobile boxcar and has the stripe indicating that it's equipped with an Evans Auto Rack. "9-5" indicates IH with the racks stowed; "10-6" indicates IH with the racks deployed, and "8-E" indicates the specific type of rack. Ben Hom
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Re: Old Photos from Southern Railway in Knoxville yard
Schuyler Larrabee
Well, I see crow is on the menu today . . .
I apologize for confusing ODC and Bon Ami. Bon Ami contains feldspar and doesn’t scratch. I cannot vouch for the performance of ODC.
The plant I mentioned (later verified as being in Manchester CT) is where Bon Ami is, or was, manufactured. The can today says “Bon Ami Company, Kansas City MO 64101.” I do not know where their plants are today. It also is the can that states “Original 1886 Formula.”
My remarks about using ODC on brass should be that I have used Bon Ami on brass with great success. I cannot confirm whether ODC is equally harmless.
I hope that this clarifies what I intended to say.
Schuyler
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2020 11:21 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Old Photos from Southern Railway in Knoxville yard
I too would like to know the answer to Bill S,’s question. There is an excellent modeler in this area, Jim Dufour, who’s modeled the Cheshire branch, thee connecting the B&M main line at South Ashburnham to Keene NH. Included in his railroad is a model accurately depicting a very modest Feldspar mine. Jim has waybill records showing that the Feldspar was shipped to a Old Dutch Cleanser plant along the New Haven, IIRC, in the vicinity of Manchester CT. (I could be entirely wrong on the destination, but I am sure it was in CT.). Doug’s citing of plants in
Doug Harding’s citing of Old Dutch Cleanser Plants were located in Los Angeles, Omaha, and Toronto May well be accurate, but of a later time. The Old Dutch Cleanser container cites that it was developed in 1886.
Incidentally, I won’t have any other cleanser in the house. I find the competitors, Comet, Ajax, etc., tend to scratch, whereas the little just hatched chick on the ODC label, with the slogan “Hasn’t scratched yet,” is accurate. It will clean some egregiously dirty dishes without scratching them (ask me how I know). I have used it when stripping brass models with an old, soft toothbrush to remove stubborn paint in crevices. Works well, without any visible damage to the model surface.
Incidentally, while googling (because I could not remember feldspar) I came across the following interesting webpage: http://www.mine-engineer.com/mining/dutch.htm
Schuyler
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of erieblt2
Mr. Harding, where did you get the information as to where the plants were located? Is there a book(now ‘site’) that lists company info? We have source/info books for railroads ie ‘The Official Guide’ . Is there an equivalent for industries? Thank you. Respectfully, Bill S. PS I had to look up the earlier reference to ‘foobies’!
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Re: Old Photos from Southern Railway in Knoxville yard
Tony Thompson
mel perry wrote:
You obviously haven't ever looked at the book on Billboard Reefers by Richard Hendrickson and Ed Kaminski. Tony Thompson
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Re: Photo: ATSF (?) Boxcar 9260 With Pinto Bean Load (1914)
Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
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Hi Bob,
Looking at this image, I think the reporting marks might actually be
CCC&StL 9260, not ATSF. If this is the case, it is from series 9001-9984,
36ft IL, 40-ton, 167 cars listed in the 12-1930 ORER
The railroad workers making chalk marks on the side of the car
are going to run out of space soon!
Claus Schlund
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Photo: Boxcar Door Stenciling (Circa 1943)
Photo: Boxcar Door Stenciling (Circa 1943) A photo from the Detroit Public Library: https://digitalcollections.detroitpubliclibrary.org/islandora/object/islandora%3A257918 Click and hold to enlarge photo. The door is stenciled "9-5", "10-6" and "8-E". Translation? Thanks. Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Photo: ATSF (?) Boxcar 9260 With Pinto Bean Load (1914)
Photo: ATSF (?) Boxcar 9260 With Pinto Bean Load (1914) A photo from the University of New Mexico: https://econtent.unm.edu/digital/collection/gkcpc/id/26/rec/146 The photo can be enlarged. Description: "Train car shipped in November of 1914 with goods donated by Gross, Kelly & Co. to the Belgium Relief Commission, run by Herbert Hoover. Gross, Kelly & Co. was one of the pioneer wholesale and retail mercantile companies in the Southwest." Do pinto beans go well with Belgium waffles? Note the placard on the car reads "Explosives". (Don't go there, readers.) I could not find a listing for this car, built in 1897, among my Santa Fe records but the end reporting marks appear to include "&SF". Perhaps this car was from a subsidiary road. Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Re: Old Photos from Southern Railway in Knoxville yard
John Barry
Doug, What was the date of the Cudahy map? They have a spot listed on the 1928 version of the SP San Francisco Industry Map on the State Belt, said industry not listed on the 1944 version. John John Barry ATSF North Bay Lines Golden Gates & Fast Freights Lovettsville, VA 707-490-9696
On Wednesday, September 30, 2020, 08:48:16 AM EDT, Douglas Harding <iowacentralrr@...> wrote:
Old Dutch Cleanser was a trademark of the Cudahy company (Cudahy Bros of Wisconsin was a different company). And their meat reefers carried the Old Dutch Cleanser logo. Attached is a photo of a Cudahy reefer taken in Salt Lake City, where they had a plant. Cudahy’s main plant was in south Omaha. They also had plants in Kansas City, Los Angeles, San Diego, Denver, Sioux City, South St Paul, East Chicago, Jersey City. Old Dutch Cleanser Plants were located in Los Angeles, Omaha, and Toronto.
Doug Harding www.iowacentralrr.org
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of mel perry
thats a rarity, to find three "old dutch"/ cudahy in the same yard, hooked together, unless there was a plant close by?, always wonder if the "old dutch"/cudahy was a foobie? ;-) mel perry
On Tue, Sep 29, 2020, 6:18 PM George Courtney via groups.io <gsc3=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
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Re: Old Photos from Southern Railway in Knoxville yard
Old Dutch Cleanser & Cudahy Packing Company Probably more than you want to know, but a few factoids I've found... In 1905 the Cudahy Packing Company became the first company to manufacturer and market a cleansing powder, Old Dutch Cleanser. Cudahy had a pumicite mine in Meade County, Kansas, and had a tie to a company that used pumicite to clean up the floors of the slaughterhouses of Chicago. Pumicite is a variety of pumice, a highly pressurized rock that is formed when lava and water are mixed. Seismotite is a trade name for pumice used by Cudahy and was seen in Old Dutch Cleanser advertising. Later, Cudahy's pumicite was taken from a mine located underground in the Mojave Desert. Pumicite production began in 1923. The mined rock was trucked to a siding on the Southern Pacific Railroad at Saltdale, seven miles south of the mine. It was delivered to Los Angeles where it was processed and blended with other material to create the cleanser. Twelve men were employed by Cudahy to oversee the mine and produce 100 tons of pumicite per week. Cudahy Camp was a small company operated camp created to house the miners. Numerous structures were built at the camp, however their uses have not clearly been established. The mine produced 120,000 tons of pumicite for the company. The mine closed in 1947 because the mineral was discovered at ground level in other locations. Old Dutch Cleanser was sold by Cudahy to Purex on April 24, 1955. Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Re: Old Photos from Southern Railway in Knoxville yard
Schuyler Larrabee
I too would like to know the answer to Bill S,’s question. There is an excellent modeler in this area, Jim Dufour, who’s modeled the Cheshire branch, thee connecting the B&M main line at South Ashburnham to Keene NH. Included in his railroad is a model accurately depicting a very modest Feldspar mine. Jim has waybill records showing that the Feldspar was shipped to a Old Dutch Cleanser plant along the New Haven, IIRC, in the vicinity of Manchester CT. (I could be entirely wrong on the destination, but I am sure it was in CT.). Doug’s citing of plants in
Doug Harding’s citing of Old Dutch Cleanser Plants were located in Los Angeles, Omaha, and Toronto May well be accurate, but of a later time. The Old Dutch Cleanser container cites that it was developed in 1886.
Incidentally, I won’t have any other cleanser in the house. I find the competitors, Comet, Ajax, etc., tend to scratch, whereas the little just hatched chick on the ODC label, with the slogan “Hasn’t scratched yet,” is accurate. It will clean some egregiously dirty dishes without scratching them (ask me how I know). I have used it when stripping brass models with an old, soft toothbrush to remove stubborn paint in crevices. Works well, without any visible damage to the model surface.
Incidentally, while googling (because I could not remember feldspar) I came across the following interesting webpage: http://www.mine-engineer.com/mining/dutch.htm
Schuyler
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of erieblt2
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2020 10:34 AM To: main@realstmfc.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Old Photos from Southern Railway in Knoxville yard
Mr. Harding, where did you get the information as to where the plants were located? Is there a book(now ‘site’) that lists company info? We have source/info books for railroads ie ‘The Official Guide’ . Is there an equivalent for industries? Thank you. Respectfully, Bill S. PS I had to look up the earlier reference to ‘foobies’!
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Re: Old Photos from Southern Railway in Knoxville yard
I think she was posing for the Cudahy reefer paint jobs. Just say'in Fenton
On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 10:22 AM Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io <schuyler.larrabee=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:
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Re: Old Photos from Southern Railway in Knoxville yard
erieblt2
Mr. Harding, where did you get the information as to where the plants were located? Is there a book(now ‘site’) that lists company info? We have source/info books for railroads ie ‘The Official Guide’ . Is there an equivalent for industries? Thank you. Respectfully, Bill S. PS I had to look up the earlier reference to ‘foobies’!
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On Sep 30, 2020, at 6:36 AM, Thomas Evans via groups.io <tomkevans@...> wrote:
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Re: Old Photos from Southern Railway in Knoxville yard
earlyrail
Are we looking at the same photos? The only tank car I see is by the oil facility under the viaduct. And I am not able to see any identification. Howard Garner
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Re: Old Photos from Southern Railway in Knoxville yard
Brent Greer
Especially one that appears to be dressed like a Nun !
Brent
Dr. J. Brent Greer
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Re: Old Photos from Southern Railway in Knoxville yard
Schuyler Larrabee
In images 2 & 3, is that a woman out there in the yard? What is she doing there? This was not a time when women were common in the yards.
Schuyler
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of mel perry
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2020 3:02 AM To: main@realstmfc.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Old Photos from Southern Railway in Knoxville yard
thats a rarity, to find three "old dutch"/ cudahy in the same yard, hooked together, unless there was a plant close by?, always wonder if the "old dutch"/cudahy was a foobie? ;-) mel perry
On Tue, Sep 29, 2020, 6:18 PM George Courtney via groups.io <gsc3=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
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Re: Old Photos from Southern Railway in Knoxville yard
Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
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Hi Doug,
Any idea on a date for the Cudahy map you attached?
Thanks
Claus Schlund
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Re: Old Photos from Southern Railway in Knoxville yard
So now I'm confused.
There was Cudahy Packing Company of Omaha which also made & sold Old Dutch Cleanser. There was also Cudahy Brothers which was also a packing company in Cudahy Wis. south of Milwaukee. Did Cudahy Brothers (Wisconsin) also have their own meat reefers? Can anyone make all this clear? Tom E.
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Re: Old Photos from Southern Railway in Knoxville yard
mel perry
doug: thanks for the background, since the cars have a different scheme, my question is, dud cudahy ever have a scheme, that had "old dutch" on one side of the car, and the."cudahy" on the other side of the car i.e. opposite side, as presented by certain manufactures, or was this a foobie? thanks mel perry
On Wed, Sep 30, 2020, 5:48 AM Douglas Harding <iowacentralrr@...> wrote:
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Re: Old Photos from Southern Railway in Knoxville yard
Old Dutch Cleanser was a trademark of the Cudahy company (Cudahy Bros of Wisconsin was a different company). And their meat reefers carried the Old Dutch Cleanser logo. Attached is a photo of a Cudahy reefer taken in Salt Lake City, where they had a plant. Cudahy’s main plant was in south Omaha. They also had plants in Kansas City, Los Angeles, San Diego, Denver, Sioux City, South St Paul, East Chicago, Jersey City. Old Dutch Cleanser Plants were located in Los Angeles, Omaha, and Toronto.
Doug Harding www.iowacentralrr.org
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of mel perry
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2020 2:02 AM To: main@realstmfc.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Old Photos from Southern Railway in Knoxville yard
thats a rarity, to find three "old dutch"/ cudahy in the same yard, hooked together, unless there was a plant close by?, always wonder if the "old dutch"/cudahy was a foobie? ;-) mel perry
On Tue, Sep 29, 2020, 6:18 PM George Courtney via groups.io <gsc3=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
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Re: Old Photos from Southern Railway in Knoxville yard
mel perry
thats a rarity, to find three "old dutch"/ cudahy in the same yard, hooked together, unless there was a plant close by?, always wonder if the "old dutch"/cudahy was a foobie? ;-) mel perry
A much younger, model railroad friend of mine sent me this photos. They are on Southern Railway in Knoxville. I didn't see a Monogram on the Southern Boxcar so I suspect before 1937. He found them in a old grocery store near the area. At age three I lived in the hill back of the viaduct. George Courtney.
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