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Re: gondola NYC 715035 with load in 1960 at Lukens Steel

Tim O'Connor
 


Definitely NOT 1960. Probably winter 1951=1952. That gondola is pristine, and was built in October 1951.

Cool load. What would these be used for?


On 1/18/2021 3:58 PM, Claus Schlund \(HGM\) wrote:
Hi List Members,
 
Cool image of gondola NYC 715035 with load in 1960 at Lukens Steel. Note the gon has some kind of internal (possibly semi-permanent?) structure to help brace the load
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Earliest Color Photo of US Freight Cars?

Tim O'Connor
 


I tried finding out about that Harvard Brewing Company on the wharf behind the cars, but all I can
find is about the company's main brewery location in Lowell MA - and the Germans' social life that
revolved around it circa 1900.


On 2/15/2021 12:31 AM, Douglas Harding wrote:

The Earliest Color Photo in question was not taken in 1910. The Fort Dodge Des Moines & Southern was formed in 1906. But it did not have any boxcars numbered in the 7000 series until later. Checking online ORERs, there are no FDDM&S boxcars with that number series in the Feb 1913 ORER. The line did have some new boxcars in the Oct 1914 ORER, but the boxcar numbers end at 7000. The next ORER I could find was Dec 1915, which lists boxcars 7002-7998. So the earliest the photo was taken was 1915.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Thomas Evans via groups.io
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If you download the image & enlarge it a lot, you'll see the colored starch grains mentioned in the linked descriptions of the Autochrome process.
I was doubtful at first, but I think that this proves it to be authentic & not a colorized B&W print.

Tom E.


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Boxcar identification assistance

Tim O'Connor
 


built in 1940 I think


On 2/14/2021 3:19 PM, Brent Greer wrote:
In the accompanying link, at the far left of the photo there is a boxcar that caught my attention.

https://www.nwhs.org/archivesdb/detail.php?ID=84144

I cannot really make out the lettering on the car, but the general shape of it makes me think it could read "Nickel Plate Road", and the unusual number of panels making up the car side make me think that that this could be an aluminum sheathed car.

I would appreciate the opinions of the experts here on our list.

Sincere thanks,
Brent

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Earliest Color Photo of US Freight Cars?

akerboomk
 

I’m not too familiar with that pier.

Does anyone know if the buildings are/were brick or stone?

 

If stone (I’m thinking this is likely), it still might be an original color image

If brick, I’m thinking the buildings should be a different color, so the image is colorized.

 

It’s too fuzzy to tell much about mortar lines

Ken


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Re: NYC resin gondola build part 5

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi Eric,
 
Thanks for the blog entry, a great way for me to start my morning, I especially enjoyed reading the parts related to weathering.
 
Claus Schlund
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2021 8:06 AM
Subject: [RealSTMFC] NYC resin gondola build part 5

Jerry Hamsmith and his Gondola Group have wrapped up their Resin Car Works NYC 50-foot steel gondola model build with painting, decaling, and weathering. It’s a ray of sunshine to enjoy on the RCW blog during winter’s grip.

http://blog.resincarworks.com/nyc-50-foot-drop-bottom-gondola-part-5/

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN


Re: Earliest Color Photo of US Freight Cars?

Chris Barkan
 

Doug,  Thank you for the info about the FtD,DM,&S car series.  That does indeed indicate that the photo was taken rather later than "ca. 1910" as stated on the Flickr page.

As I stated in my original message, I think it would be interesting to see other very early color photos of freight cars.

Chris Barkan
Champaign, IL


NYC resin gondola build part 5

Eric Hansmann
 

Jerry Hamsmith and his Gondola Group have wrapped up their Resin Car Works NYC 50-foot steel gondola model build with painting, decaling, and weathering. It’s a ray of sunshine to enjoy on the RCW blog during winter’s grip.

http://blog.resincarworks.com/nyc-50-foot-drop-bottom-gondola-part-5/

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN


Re: Earliest Color Photo of US Freight Cars?

Dave Parker
 

Not much freight-car content in this nugget I'm afraid, but I thought this was an interesting read about a Boston-area brewery that I had never head of until now:

https://forgottennewengland.com/2020/01/21/harvard-brewery-a-lowell-tale-of-fires-wartime-enemy-sympathizers-and-prohibition-raids/

It survived quite awhile after Prohibition, but struggled mightily to do so.
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Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA


Re: Earliest Color Photo of US Freight Cars?

Douglas Harding
 

The Earliest Color Photo in question was not taken in 1910. The Fort Dodge Des Moines & Southern was formed in 1906. But it did not have any boxcars numbered in the 7000 series until later. Checking online ORERs, there are no FDDM&S boxcars with that number series in the Feb 1913 ORER. The line did have some new boxcars in the Oct 1914 ORER, but the boxcar numbers end at 7000. The next ORER I could find was Dec 1915, which lists boxcars 7002-7998. So the earliest the photo was taken was 1915.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Thomas Evans via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2021 9:35 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Earliest Color Photo of US Freight Cars?

 

If you download the image & enlarge it a lot, you'll see the colored starch grains mentioned in the linked descriptions of the Autochrome process.
I was doubtful at first, but I think that this proves it to be authentic & not a colorized B&W print.

Tom E.


Re: Earliest Color Photo of US Freight Cars?

Thomas Evans
 

If you download the image & enlarge it a lot, you'll see the colored starch grains mentioned in the linked descriptions of the Autochrome process.
I was doubtful at first, but I think that this proves it to be authentic & not a colorized B&W print.

Tom E.


Re: Earliest Color Photo of US Freight Cars?

ed_mines
 

The description says it is a glass negative.

I was an engineer (chemical engineer) at the plate manufacturing department of Eastman Kodak from 1973-78.  We manufactured photographic glass plates which were glass plates coated with traditional silver halide based photographic emulsion.

Color photographic film has several layers of emulsion, each responsible for a different color..

I can say with certainty that photographic glass plates were never covered with multiple layers of emulsion up until the time I left.


Re: Boxcar identification assistance

Brian Carlson
 

I’m reading emails on my phone and it’s too washed out to tell. For me anyway. 

Brian J. Carlson 

On Feb 14, 2021, at 5:55 PM, Scott <repairman87@...> wrote:

Thanks Brian,  I misunderstood his question.  Any guesses on the white car?

Scott McDonald 


Re: Boxcar identification assistance

Scott
 

Thanks Brian,  I misunderstood his question.  Any guesses on the white car?

Scott McDonald 


Re: Earliest Color Photo of US Freight Cars?

Todd Sullivan
 

What fascinates me the most is that two masted fishing schooner tied up at the wharf.  She looks like she might have been a fast fisherman in her day.  (Boston and Gloucester were the principal homeports of the U.S. cod fishing sailing fleet from the mid 1800s to the mid 1930s.)

Todd Sullivan


Re: Boxcar identification assistance

Brian Carlson
 

No. They didn’t. He’s asking about the car on the left.  It’s clearly NKP freight car color. You’re looking at the car on the right. 

Brian J. Carlson 

On Feb 14, 2021, at 5:43 PM, Scott <repairman87@...> wrote:

Nickel plate painted thier cars white?  Anybody have a proto photo of one?

Scott McDonald


Re: Boxcar identification assistance

Scott
 

Nickel plate painted thier cars white?  Anybody have a proto photo of one?

Scott McDonald


Re: Earliest Color Photo of US Freight Cars?

Chris Barkan
 

Ken, Yes, I was unsure of those two as well.  I was just going off of what I thought I could see written on the side, not any knowledge of the cars' design.
Chris


Re: Earliest Color Photo of US Freight Cars?

akerboomk
 

The 2 “Boston &” cars look to be more “Boston & Maine” to me

But then I may be biased :-)

 

Ken


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National Vinegar Works tank car taken in 1920 Maltimore MD

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
Some might enjoy this view of a National Vinegar Works tank car taken in 1920 Maltimore MD.
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 


Re: Earliest Color Photo of US Freight Cars?

Ted Schnepf
 

Hello,

I thought I remember reading Fort Dodge cars were grey in a early period.

Ted Schnepf
126 Will Scarlet,
Elgin, Ill. 60120


847=697-5353

On Sunday, February 14, 2021, 02:56:16 PM CST, Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:


The Fort Dodge Line car seems like a very pale green to my eye.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Peter Ness
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2021 1:51 PM
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My opinion only; it appears to be a colorized image as the box car on the extreme left has no color.

 

Peter Ness

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris Barkan
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2021 2:10 PM
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Subject: [RealSTMFC] Earliest Color Photo of US Freight Cars?

 

This photo is said to have been taken ca.1910 at the Eastern Packet Pier looking at the Commercial Wharf in Boston, MA just off Atlantic Avenue.  Rail service at this location was provided by the Union Freight Railroad that connected the New Haven and the Boston & Maine via street trackage that skirted downtown Boston serving various wharves, industries, and warehouses along the waterfront.  Four boxcars are visible: L to R, Fort Dodge, Des Moines & Southern, Erie, and two that appear to be Boston & Albany.  According to the individual who posted this it is a true color Autochrome Plate.  I would be happy have my speculation that it might be the "earliest" color photo of freight cars proven wrong, and would enjoy seeing any supporting evidence.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/91981316@N06/50861430552

The following photo taken by Leslie Jones ca. 1930 shows the same wharf and is helpful visualizing the exact location in Boston.  That is the Atlantic Avenue Elevated on the left side of the photo, and long-departed component of what eventually became the present-day MBTA Orange Line.  This photo also has some interesting freight cars visible, including a NYNH&H double-sheathed wooden boxcar and an MDT reefer.
https://www.digitalcommonwealth.org/search/commonwealth:5h73s608r

Chris Barkan
Champaign, IL

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