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Re: Boiler Load Project

Bob Chaparro
 

Actually, for other loads I have seen the strapping brought through the stake pocket and up again to the strapping above the pocket with some sort of fastener connecting the two. I'd probably do this next time.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] PRR X47 running board

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Guys;

 

I can’t find the correspondence on whose, but they are definitely some kind of rectangular grid.

 

Link:

 

https://digital.hagley.org/PRR_20391?solr_nav%5Bid%5D=799059ea7b852ea09a75&solr_nav%5Bpage%5D=0&solr_nav%5Boffset%5D=0

 

https://digital.hagley.org/PRR_20390?solr_nav%5Bid%5D=1d09e0c258f4cbb4aeaa&solr_nav%5Bpage%5D=0&solr_nav%5Boffset%5D=1

 

Apex or Blawknox, I don’t know.

 

Given Dec (IIRC) 1953 build, not surprising short-taper IDEs, high tack boards, OH diag panel roof.  Note doorway gussets PRR was adding in this timeframe, plus 10” (IIRC) channel side sill.

 

Don’t know all the brake details (yet).

 

One of the last cars in CK P&L.

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2021 10:32 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] PRR X47 running board

 


Photos appear to show APEX (grid) running boards, although the photos are not definitive.


On 2/11/2021 2:23 PM, Richard Townsend via groups.io wrote:

What kind of running board did the PRR use on their X47 boxcars?

Richard Townsend

Lincoln City, OR

 


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Soo Line Boxcars

Michael Gross
 

Nice work, Bill, and hope to see you again—one fine day—at a face-to-face meet.

Michael Gross
Pasadena, CA

P.S.  Reading your post made me miss Ron Sebastian at Des Plaines, all the more.  :0(


Re: Roma wine cars converted from PFE refers

jstyron
 

I have several of the RC models of these cars.  Three that came to hand were: CDLX 294 and 298 for Roma, and a Fruit Industries car No. 313.  I have others, also, probably from a years-ago swap meet binge..  These cars do not appear in my 1955 Tank Car Tariff book, so were gone by then. Maybe someone has an earlier tariff that still lists these cars. At least this may point you to the right number series.


Re: ICHS project car

Tim O'Connor
 

On 2/11/2021 2:31 PM, mopacfirst wrote:
Can anyone shed light on a Branchline car I picked up?  It's labeled as a project of the Illinois Central Historical Society, but the society's web page doesn't seem to have a company store currently.  

The model is lettered for IC 26055, and it's a 50' riveted box with bolster-to-bolster sidesill and what I would call style B stirrup steps.  The model has a white triangular DF patch to the left of the door.  I see several photos of similar cars on rr-fallenflags, and one on rr-picturearchives.  I'm not with my books but I think I also found similar cars in the color guide.  The ORER shows 25900-26099 as DF-equipped.  Other IC cars I've seen seem to mostly just have a large DF stencil near the reporting marks.

My question is mainly, did these cars have Youngstown doors?  Some cars from nearby series with basically the same body construction have Youngstown doors and one (albeit painted orange, out of my time period) has a 6-panel Superior.

Any comments appreciated.

Ron Merrick

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: PRR X47 running board

Tim O'Connor
 


Photos appear to show APEX (grid) running boards, although the photos are not definitive.


On 2/11/2021 2:23 PM, Richard Townsend via groups.io wrote:
What kind of running board did the PRR use on their X47 boxcars?

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Soo Line Boxcars

Tim O'Connor
 


FYI - the DSS&A cars continued to have black ends AND roofs. Jerry Glow made a variety of
decals for the DSS&A cars including their interesting slogans. These cars all ended up as part of the
Soo Line.


On 2/11/2021 4:57 PM, Dennis Storzek wrote:
On Thu, Feb 11, 2021 at 12:10 PM, Clark Propst wrote:
My mistake – The dollar sign logo.
As someone had already said, ALL the AAR cars built by P-S for the Soo before and during WWII came with FCR roofs, black ends, and black backgrounds in the heralds. The Soo eliminated the black background from the heralds on the cars they built for themselves starting in 1948-49, but those cars had IDE ends and diagonal panel roofs. It's debatable if the lack of backgrounds in the herald would have carried over to re-paints, but the P-S cars were new enough that it seems none were re-painted. A few years later (1953) both the black ends and $ heralds were gone.

Dennis Storzek

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Hindsight 20/20 7.0 Virtual RPM

Hunter Hughson
 


Re: Boiler Load Project

Thomas Evans
 

Great model, Bob - well worth the work & frustration.
I do wonder, however, whether the strapping alone would be sufficient to prevent sideways movement of the load?
(The Devil made me say it!!)

Tom


Roma wine cars converted from PFE refers

David Turner
 

According to the PFE book by Tony Thompson (page 83),  in 1929 100 PFE R-30-5 and -6 cars were changed to steel cast trucks. Then in 1933-35, 41 of them were sold to California Dispatch Line (CDLX 277-317) for conversion to interior tanks for wine service. Several were leased to Roma Wine Co.

Does anyone know what car numbers were leased to Roma Wine Co?

Thank you for any assistance,

David Turner


ORER Missing Page Help Request - October 1955

Allen Cain
 

I have an October 1955 ORER which has a partially torn out page 699 and the back side page 700.

I would sure appreciate it if some kind person who has the same ORER would send me a sharp high resolution image of pages 699 and the back side, page 700.

Please send OFF LIST to allencaintn@...

Thanks to anyone who can help me out.
--
Allen Cain
Modeling the Southern in 1955 in HO Scale


Re: Wilson reefers.

ROGER HINMAN
 

Wilson got started by buying out the Schwarzchild and Sulzberger co fleet just before WW1. Haskel and Barker built a few lots of 34’9inch cars at the same time and very good drawings for these are available at the IRM Library.




Roger Hinman


On Feb 11, 2021, at 4:22 PM, Steve and Barb Hile <shile@...> wrote:

Thanks!  I appreciate it!
 
Steve
 
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of John Barry
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2021 2:56 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Wilson reefers.
 
Steve,
 
811 cars of the same dimension and series 8101 to 9299 were listed in the October 1944 ORER and 805 in Jan 43, while the Jan 53 issue had 1396 cars in the 8101 to 9600 series.
 
John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA
 
 
707-490-9696 
 
 
 
 
 
 
On Thursday, February 11, 2021, 10:33:01 AM EST, Steve and Barb Hile <shile@...> wrote: 
 
 

Let me add that as of July 1950 ORER, Wilson rostered 1481 cars, but 1295 of them are on one line with common dimensions.  The number range is 8101 to 9600.  This must be the signature car for WCLX and, hopefully, the model matches it.  (I think I have one of those early F&C kits, somewhere….)

 

They list a single car in the range 4301 -4399 and the notes state that car is owned by Mather.

 

32 cars in the series 9801 -9839; 8 cars in the series 9851 – 9868 and 9 cars in the series 9879 – 9919 all belong to North American Car, according to the notes.

 

The only other block of cars of note was 7501 – 7615 listed as 105 cars.  The adjacent block, 7616 – 7630 (15 cars) have common dimensions, except slightly larger ice tanks (165 versus 153 cubic feet.) 

 

Steve Hile

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave Parker via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2021 4:54 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Wilson reefers.

 

On Wed, Feb 10, 2021 at 02:32 PM, Brian Carlson wrote:

Has anyone ever done a deep dive on history the Wilson fleet during the steam era?

No, but I took a very shallow dive.  Wilson had what I would call a medium-size reefer fleet, something on the order of 2000 cars it seems.  Data in my 1919 ORER is very sketchy.  From 1925 to 1940 (inclusive), my ORERs lack any car count data that would help identify the important cars series.  From 1945 (at least) forward there are car counts, but I am too wary of trying to backtrack the various series into the heart of the steam era.  I tried that with Swift, and it was/is an exercise in frustration.
 
YMMV, but that's as far as I was willing to go (or dive) with Wilson absent better ORER data.
-- 
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA 



Re: Soo Line Boxcars

Dennis Storzek
 

On Thu, Feb 11, 2021 at 12:10 PM, Clark Propst wrote:
My mistake – The dollar sign logo.
As someone had already said, ALL the AAR cars built by P-S for the Soo before and during WWII came with FCR roofs, black ends, and black backgrounds in the heralds. The Soo eliminated the black background from the heralds on the cars they built for themselves starting in 1948-49, but those cars had IDE ends and diagonal panel roofs. It's debatable if the lack of backgrounds in the herald would have carried over to re-paints, but the P-S cars were new enough that it seems none were re-painted. A few years later (1953) both the black ends and $ heralds were gone.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Soo Line Boxcars

O Fenton Wells
 

Thanks Bill


On Thu, Feb 11, 2021 at 11:30 AM william darnaby <wdarnaby@...> wrote:

Thanks!  But I didn’t do much except add the correct details and weather them.  Des Plaines did the paint jobs on the correct square corner bodies.  The large SOO paint had a reweigh date of 5-55 so I left that alone but I had to do reweigh patches on the original scheme to bring it in line with my railroad date and gave the car a heavier weathering.

 

Bill

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Paul Doggett via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2021 4:26 AM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Soo Line Boxcars

 

Bill 

 

Two very nice models.

 

Paul Doggett.  England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 





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Re: Wilson reefers.

Steve and Barb Hile
 

Thanks!  I appreciate it!

 

Steve

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of John Barry
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2021 2:56 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Wilson reefers.

 

Steve,

 

811 cars of the same dimension and series 8101 to 9299 were listed in the October 1944 ORER and 805 in Jan 43, while the Jan 53 issue had 1396 cars in the 8101 to 9600 series.

 

John Barry

 

ATSF North Bay Lines 

Golden Gates & Fast Freights 

Lovettsville, VA

 

 

707-490-9696 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On Thursday, February 11, 2021, 10:33:01 AM EST, Steve and Barb Hile <shile@...> wrote:

 

 

Let me add that as of July 1950 ORER, Wilson rostered 1481 cars, but 1295 of them are on one line with common dimensions.  The number range is 8101 to 9600.  This must be the signature car for WCLX and, hopefully, the model matches it.  (I think I have one of those early F&C kits, somewhere….)

 

They list a single car in the range 4301 -4399 and the notes state that car is owned by Mather.

 

32 cars in the series 9801 -9839; 8 cars in the series 9851 – 9868 and 9 cars in the series 9879 – 9919 all belong to North American Car, according to the notes.

 

The only other block of cars of note was 7501 – 7615 listed as 105 cars.  The adjacent block, 7616 – 7630 (15 cars) have common dimensions, except slightly larger ice tanks (165 versus 153 cubic feet.)

 

Steve Hile

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave Parker via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2021 4:54 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Wilson reefers.

 

On Wed, Feb 10, 2021 at 02:32 PM, Brian Carlson wrote:

Has anyone ever done a deep dive on history the Wilson fleet during the steam era?

No, but I took a very shallow dive.  Wilson had what I would call a medium-size reefer fleet, something on the order of 2000 cars it seems.  Data in my 1919 ORER is very sketchy.  From 1925 to 1940 (inclusive), my ORERs lack any car count data that would help identify the important cars series.  From 1945 (at least) forward there are car counts, but I am too wary of trying to backtrack the various series into the heart of the steam era.  I tried that with Swift, and it was/is an exercise in frustration.
 
YMMV, but that's as far as I was willing to go (or dive) with Wilson absent better ORER data.
--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA


Re: Soo Line Boxcars

Benjamin Hom
 

Clark Propst asked re: decals:
"The dollar sign logo."

K4 Decals has this set that looks like it will work.  The 40 ft boxcar data appears to match that of the Modified 1937 AAR boxcar, though I recommend double checking against a photo to make sure.

These decals are available in multiple scales.


Ben Hom


Re: Wilson reefers.

John Barry
 

Steve,

811 cars of the same dimension and series 8101 to 9299 were listed in the October 1944 ORER and 805 in Jan 43, while the Jan 53 issue had 1396 cars in the 8101 to 9600 series.

John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA


707-490-9696 






On Thursday, February 11, 2021, 10:33:01 AM EST, Steve and Barb Hile <shile@...> wrote:


Let me add that as of July 1950 ORER, Wilson rostered 1481 cars, but 1295 of them are on one line with common dimensions.  The number range is 8101 to 9600.  This must be the signature car for WCLX and, hopefully, the model matches it.  (I think I have one of those early F&C kits, somewhere….)

 

They list a single car in the range 4301 -4399 and the notes state that car is owned by Mather.

 

32 cars in the series 9801 -9839; 8 cars in the series 9851 – 9868 and 9 cars in the series 9879 – 9919 all belong to North American Car, according to the notes.

 

The only other block of cars of note was 7501 – 7615 listed as 105 cars.  The adjacent block, 7616 – 7630 (15 cars) have common dimensions, except slightly larger ice tanks (165 versus 153 cubic feet.)

 

Steve Hile

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave Parker via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2021 4:54 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Wilson reefers.

 

On Wed, Feb 10, 2021 at 02:32 PM, Brian Carlson wrote:

Has anyone ever done a deep dive on history the Wilson fleet during the steam era?

No, but I took a very shallow dive.  Wilson had what I would call a medium-size reefer fleet, something on the order of 2000 cars it seems.  Data in my 1919 ORER is very sketchy.  From 1925 to 1940 (inclusive), my ORERs lack any car count data that would help identify the important cars series.  From 1945 (at least) forward there are car counts, but I am too wary of trying to backtrack the various series into the heart of the steam era.  I tried that with Swift, and it was/is an exercise in frustration.
 
YMMV, but that's as far as I was willing to go (or dive) with Wilson absent better ORER data.
--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA


Re: ICHS project car

mopacfirst
 

Perfect.  This answers my questions.  

Thanks for the quick response.

Ron Merrick


Re: Soo Line Boxcars

Clark Propst
 

What's your target era?  Tilted square herald or billboard "SOO LINE"?

Ben Hom

 

My mistake – The dollar sign logo.

Clark

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: ICHS project car

Jeffrey White
 

Ron,

I have a prototype photo of that exact car.

26000-26099 were built at the IC Centralia shops in 1956 and had  9 belt DF loading devices and a 1 3/4 inch wood deck floor. 

Hope this helps.

Jeff White                                                                                                     Alma, IL

On 2/11/2021 1:31 PM, mopacfirst wrote:
Can anyone shed light on a Branchline car I picked up?  It's labeled as a project of the Illinois Central Historical Society, but the society's web page doesn't seem to have a company store currently.  

The model is lettered for IC 26055, and it's a 50' riveted box with bolster-to-bolster sidesill and what I would call style B stirrup steps.  The model has a white triangular DF patch to the left of the door.  I see several photos of similar cars on rr-fallenflags, and one on rr-picturearchives.  I'm not with my books but I think I also found similar cars in the color guide.  The ORER shows 25900-26099 as DF-equipped.  Other IC cars I've seen seem to mostly just have a large DF stencil near the reporting marks.

My question is mainly, did these cars have Youngstown doors?  Some cars from nearby series with basically the same body construction have Youngstown doors and one (albeit painted orange, out of my time period) has a 6-panel Superior.

Any comments appreciated.

Ron Merrick

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