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Re: Andrews truck with power pickups

Todd Sullivan
 

The LifeLike P2K USRA 0-6-0 and the later production of the USRA 0-8-0 used the standard LL 33" wheelsets, which had smooth (shiny) wheels and plastic axles, with thin shim brass or phosphor bronze wires on both sides of the truck frame (i.e., all 4 wheels) as a means to collect current from both rails.  I converted an early production 0-8-0 to the same setup.  The amount of friction caused by the pickups rubbing against the backs of the wheels (all the wheels on the tender) was pretty small, since the trucks rolled very freely to begin with, and the wheel backs were very smooth.  Using Kadee wheels would probably increase the friction due to the material and finish, but that is conjecture on my part.  Central Valley wheelsets were insulated on one side and were not shiny smooth.  Beyond that, they were made of brass which would oxidize over time on both the backs and treads, which I think would tend to reduce effective electrical pickup on the wheels.

Todd Sullivan.

Re: Andrews truck with power pickups

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Not to hijack this thread, but does anyone know where I could buy some replacement Andrews trucks for the Life-Like USRA switch engines?  I have twice now suffered a melted truck thanks to a short across a gap.  At one time extra tenders were available, and I fixed the first melted truck by replacing it with a truck from an extra tender, but I now have a sound-equipped DCC 0-8-0 that is useless.

 

Oh, and oops, I realize that on this list, I need to mention that I use my 0-8-0s to switch FREIGHT CARS!!

 

Whew!

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Charlie Vlk
Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2020 2:41 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Andrews truck with power pickups

 

All-

Does anyone know of a source for HO trucks that have power pickup on both sides similar to the ones that were provided on later production Life-Like Proto2000 steam locomotives.

I need a pair for an HO project that I am dabbling in and would prefer the N Scale type “low friction” pointed axle pickup rather than the back of the wheel or axle pickups that seem to be the accepted norm in HO.

Charlie Vlk

 

 

Re: Andrews truck with power pickups

Richard Townsend
 

Central Valley is the only thing that occurs to me, but they don't have the pointed axle pick-ups.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


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From: Charlie Vlk <cvlk@...>
To: main <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Tue, Feb 25, 2020 11:41 am
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Andrews truck with power pickups

All-
Does anyone know of a source for HO trucks that have power pickup on both sides similar to the ones that were provided on later production Life-Like Proto2000 steam locomotives.
I need a pair for an HO project that I am dabbling in and would prefer the N Scale type “low friction” pointed axle pickup rather than the back of the wheel or axle pickups that seem to be the accepted norm in HO.
Charlie Vlk
 
 

Re: Ice Reefer Conversions to Mechanical?

np328
 

   From reading in the files of my railroad I will add to what Tony has correctly stated and add - at the time mechanical refrigeration units became viable -
                                               market conditions on all sides of the rail shipment were also changing.

   Frozen and fast frozen was where the market was evolving and had been for some time. Frozen food had been around for some time. 
https://books.google.com/books?id=UigDAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA26&dq=1930+plane+%22Popular&hl=en&ei=bfiPTs-NGInE0AHC_4k_&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=8&ved=0CEwQ6AEwBzgK#v=onepage&q=1930%20plane%20%22Popular&f=true

     However it had taken some time to catch on to where the volumes were significant. (1) This was because corner markets - not super markets were the most common. And these Ma & Pa stores did not have large areas to receive, store, and display frozen foods. Larger markets had to come into general being and that did not happen in a broad way until the mid to late 50's. Food distribution centers capable of holding these large volumes of frozen food were also being built as these super market chains made their presence known. 

    (2) Once the volume of these frozen foods became significant to the railroad industry, HI reefers (high insulation) were now what the industry wanted and the railroads (or reefer consortiums of the railroads) that could supply the highly insulated cars were the ones that got the shipment. Of the high insulation reefers, they were on the scene in the mid to late forties, however there was not a big enough market at that time to over shadow the global refrigerator car makeup on the whole, so the current wood fleet soldiered on. 

    By the time a dependable mechanical unit was developed in Bloomington, MN, m
y railroad did send some folks over to check it out. And they did look at the financial ROI * of converting/rebuilding older reefers and that was a no go almost immediately as much of the fleet was already old. In the financial make up of things, building new cars provided the best return on investment. And (3) the car builders had shifted to all steel car building for some time now. 

And as Tony listed, the cars were 40 footers, with six foot doors. By this time, 50 foot cars with doors and floors built to handle pallets and pallet unloaders were what the industry demanded. 

                 * I may have stated this before however it bears repeating often. Railroads were just a vehicle for their owners to make money.  We forget that far, far,  too often. 
 
                                                                                                                                                                                                                         Jim Dick   St. Paul, MN 
              

Re: Seeking advice on Kadee 4000 boxcar use on Southeastern Road

Schleigh Mike
 

Thanks, Ben---

For re-linking us to this resource.  It is so handy as an Excel file and the whole story is pretty much there.  This is so helpful; another good example of the wonderful help this group offers.

From Mike Schleigh, Grove City in dark western Penna.

On Tuesday, February 25, 2020, 11:29:24 AM EST, Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...> wrote:


Allen Cain asked:
"I have come into several Kadee 4000 undecorated boxcars 1950-1953 Narrow Tab 40' PS-1 Boxcar with 6' Youngstown Door.
I am seeking advice for info on any southeastern roads that would have used this car in the 1950 to 1955 timeframe. Any suggestions? And if you have photos even better!
https://www.kadee.com/ho-scale-rtr-cars-c-274_278_290/4000-ho-scale-undecorated-19501953-narrow-tab-40-ps1-boxcar-with-6-youngstown-door-boxcar-red-rtr-p-624.htm

Fenton Wells replied:
"Allen go to the Steam Era Freight Car site and look at Pat Widers summary of PS-1 boxcars.  That should give you what you want."

Actually, Ed Hawkins.  It's a MS Excel file, so you'll need MS Office or an Open Office app to open it.
http://www.steamerafreightcars.com/prototype/frtcars/PullmanStandard40ftPS1boxcars.xls


Ben Hom


Re: Ice Reefer Conversions to Mechanical?

John Moore
 

The Santa Fe converted 5 ea  50' Rr-31 class ice bunker refrigerator cars to Mechanical Temperature Control cars in 1955.  The standard 5' foot wide swing plug doors were replaced with sliding plug doors.  The ice bunkers held the Waukesha package air conditioning units with the control and fuel tank attached under the car body.  They were converted back to standard ice bunker refrigerator cars in 1960.  Photos of this configuration can be found in the SFRH&MS Reference Series Volume 6  Mechanical Refrigerator Cars and Insulated Refrigerator Cars of the Santa Fe Railway  1949-1988.
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Andrews truck with power pickups

Charlie Vlk
 

All-

Does anyone know of a source for HO trucks that have power pickup on both sides similar to the ones that were provided on later production Life-Like Proto2000 steam locomotives.

I need a pair for an HO project that I am dabbling in and would prefer the N Scale type “low friction” pointed axle pickup rather than the back of the wheel or axle pickups that seem to be the accepted norm in HO.

Charlie Vlk

 

 

Re: Photo: Freight Cars The Departure Yard At Boston Freight Terminal

Peter Ness
 

Those are all in service cars my friends. Those are not the RIP tracks in South Boston Freight Terminal. Look over by the brick smokestack and sand tower to see two switchers – the S-1 is working and smoking, the HH660 probably idling. Now, since Boston was a terminal, there is no telling how long the foreign road cars lingered before returning home.

 

There are three NH box cars in the photo;

McGinnis scheme (black with large “NH”) behind the Superior reefer

Script herald (BCR, very faded lettering) coupled to the right of the Superior reefer

The storage car that is on the ground to the right of the script herald car and to the left of the RI box car.

Notice there is a phone pole directly behind the script herald boxcar described above.

 

The storage car is one of the NHs old boxes, possibly 70200 series (I have a photo of NH 70218) which were rebuilt in 1935 with steel underframes from earlier NH 170000-170999-series 30-ton box cars.

 

The 40’ steel boxcars arrived beginning 1942 but there were still over 120 wood box cars in service in Sept 1948.  Beginning post-war many of the wood cars were converted to non-revenue service, which is the fate of the car in this photo. A white “NH” is visible above the “W-series” work car number.  Some cars were grounded and used for storage which appears to be the fate of this car. The yellow visible on the side is a patch of paint only so a black lettered stencil could be applied. This could have been applied while the car was still on trucks or not.  Could have said anything from “sand service only” to “property of mechanical dept.”

 

Peter Ness

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Schuyler Larrabee via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2020 1:46 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Freight Cars The Departure Yard At Boston Freight Terminal

 

Agreed it’s a patch, but I think it’s a painted patch, painting out something, like a “return to” notice.  It’s a bit too ragged to be a carpenter’s parch.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2020 1:42 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Freight Cars The Departure Yard At Boston Freight Terminal

 


It looks like fresh unpainted wood i.e. "patches" to me, Schuyler. I do not recognize
the cars at all. They don't look like anything that I know of from the New Haven. I'm
curious if anyone can figure out what they are. But I agree the photo scan is so poor
that nothing can be inferred about the lettering.

Tim O'Connor



On 2/25/2020 12:32 PM, Schuyler Larrabee via Groups.Io wrote:

I don’t think those are “repairs.”  And at that distance and the age of the cars, dimensions and weight information may be there, faded, but not visible.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of mel perry
Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2020 11:48 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Freight Cars The Departure Yard At Boston Freight Terminal

 

couple of ss boxcars, apparently in inhouse service as all dims and weight

remarks all removed, and appears that

both had repairs to the same spot.on

both.cars, just to the left of the door,

can't remember that being a weak

structural spot in the ss design?

 

On Tue, Feb 25, 2020, 8:17 AM Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Photo: Freight Cars The Departure Yard At Boston Freight Terminal

A Donald Haskel photo taken in August 1960:

https://www.railpictures.net/photo/305071/

A good variety of cars and roads.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

 


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

Re: Photo: Freight Cars The Departure Yard At Boston Freight Terminal

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Agreed it’s a patch, but I think it’s a painted patch, painting out something, like a “return to” notice.  It’s a bit too ragged to be a carpenter’s parch.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2020 1:42 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Freight Cars The Departure Yard At Boston Freight Terminal

 


It looks like fresh unpainted wood i.e. "patches" to me, Schuyler. I do not recognize
the cars at all. They don't look like anything that I know of from the New Haven. I'm
curious if anyone can figure out what they are. But I agree the photo scan is so poor
that nothing can be inferred about the lettering.

Tim O'Connor



On 2/25/2020 12:32 PM, Schuyler Larrabee via Groups.Io wrote:

I don’t think those are “repairs.”  And at that distance and the age of the cars, dimensions and weight information may be there, faded, but not visible.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of mel perry
Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2020 11:48 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Freight Cars The Departure Yard At Boston Freight Terminal

 

couple of ss boxcars, apparently in inhouse service as all dims and weight

remarks all removed, and appears that

both had repairs to the same spot.on

both.cars, just to the left of the door,

can't remember that being a weak

structural spot in the ss design?

 

On Tue, Feb 25, 2020, 8:17 AM Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Photo: Freight Cars The Departure Yard At Boston Freight Terminal

A Donald Haskel photo taken in August 1960:

https://www.railpictures.net/photo/305071/

A good variety of cars and roads.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

 


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

Re: Photo: Freight Cars The Departure Yard At Boston Freight Terminal

Tim O'Connor
 


It looks like fresh unpainted wood i.e. "patches" to me, Schuyler. I do not recognize
the cars at all. They don't look like anything that I know of from the New Haven. I'm
curious if anyone can figure out what they are. But I agree the photo scan is so poor
that nothing can be inferred about the lettering.

Tim O'Connor



On 2/25/2020 12:32 PM, Schuyler Larrabee via Groups.Io wrote:

I don’t think those are “repairs.”  And at that distance and the age of the cars, dimensions and weight information may be there, faded, but not visible.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of mel perry
Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2020 11:48 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Freight Cars The Departure Yard At Boston Freight Terminal

 

couple of ss boxcars, apparently in inhouse service as all dims and weight

remarks all removed, and appears that

both had repairs to the same spot.on

both.cars, just to the left of the door,

can't remember that being a weak

structural spot in the ss design?

 

On Tue, Feb 25, 2020, 8:17 AM Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Photo: Freight Cars The Departure Yard At Boston Freight Terminal

A Donald Haskel photo taken in August 1960:

https://www.railpictures.net/photo/305071/

A good variety of cars and roads.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

Re: Ice Reefer Conversions to Mechanical?

Tony Thompson
 

Jim Betz wrote:

  It occurs to me to ask - did any of the RRs/owners convert ice reefers to
mechanical by adding a refridgeration unit in the ice bunker section of
the car?  Don't remember ever seeing a photo of such ...
  I know that they were used in other services (essentially a box car) - I'm
asking about still being used for reefers - just not ice.

   Yes, several did (see the PFE book, for example). No one ended up happy with the result. The available trucking-type refrigeration units weren't robust enough; the old 40-ft. cars weren't very big inside, and had only 6-foot door openings; and insulation of older cars wasn't as good as what was going into new mechanical reefers. And refrigeration in one end, though it meant you could use the other ice bunker space for cargo, also required rebuilding and adding air circulation means to the car.

Tony Thompson



Ice Reefer Conversions to Mechanical?

Jim Betz
 

Hi,
  It occurs to me to ask - did any of the RRs/owners convert ice reefers to
mechanical by adding a refridgeration unit in the ice bunker section of
the car?  Don't remember ever seeing a photo of such ...
  I know that they were used in other services (essentially a box car) - I'm
asking about still being used for reefers - just not ice.
                                                                                                 - Jim

Re: Photo: Freight Cars The Departure Yard At Boston Freight Terminal

Ken Adams
 

And the side deformation on that gondola. 

Re: Photo: Freight Cars The Departure Yard At Boston Freight Terminal

Schuyler Larrabee
 

I don’t think those are “repairs.”  And at that distance and the age of the cars, dimensions and weight information may be there, faded, but not visible.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of mel perry
Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2020 11:48 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Freight Cars The Departure Yard At Boston Freight Terminal

 

couple of ss boxcars, apparently in inhouse service as all dims and weight

remarks all removed, and appears that

both had repairs to the same spot.on

both.cars, just to the left of the door,

can't remember that being a weak

structural spot in the ss design?

 

On Tue, Feb 25, 2020, 8:17 AM Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Photo: Freight Cars The Departure Yard At Boston Freight Terminal

A Donald Haskel photo taken in August 1960:

https://www.railpictures.net/photo/305071/

A good variety of cars and roads.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Re: Photo: Freight Cars The Departure Yard At Boston Freight Terminal

mel perry
 

couple of ss boxcars, apparently in inhouse service as all dims and weight
remarks all removed, and appears that
both had repairs to the same spot.on
both.cars, just to the left of the door,
can't remember that being a weak
structural spot in the ss design?

On Tue, Feb 25, 2020, 8:17 AM Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Photo: Freight Cars The Departure Yard At Boston Freight Terminal

A Donald Haskel photo taken in August 1960:

https://www.railpictures.net/photo/305071/

A good variety of cars and roads.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Re: Photo: Freight Cars The Departure Yard At Boston Freight Terminal

Tim O'Connor
 

Sweet. Notice the nearly hidden Canadian Pacific wood reefer seen above and behind
the gondola coupled to the PFE reefer in the foreground.

I'd like to know what that green tank car is.

Tim O'Connor

On 2/25/2020 11:17 AM, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io wrote:

Photo: Freight Cars The Departure Yard At Boston Freight Terminal

A Donald Haskel photo taken in August 1960:

https://www.railpictures.net/photo/305071/

A good variety of cars and roads.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA
--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*

Re: Seeking advice on Kadee 4000 boxcar use on Southeastern Road

Benjamin Hom
 

Allen Cain asked:
"I have come into several Kadee 4000 undecorated boxcars 1950-1953 Narrow Tab 40' PS-1 Boxcar with 6' Youngstown Door.
I am seeking advice for info on any southeastern roads that would have used this car in the 1950 to 1955 timeframe. Any suggestions? And if you have photos even better!
https://www.kadee.com/ho-scale-rtr-cars-c-274_278_290/4000-ho-scale-undecorated-19501953-narrow-tab-40-ps1-boxcar-with-6-youngstown-door-boxcar-red-rtr-p-624.htm

Fenton Wells replied:
"Allen go to the Steam Era Freight Car site and look at Pat Widers summary of PS-1 boxcars.  That should give you what you want."

Actually, Ed Hawkins.  It's a MS Excel file, so you'll need MS Office or an Open Office app to open it.
http://www.steamerafreightcars.com/prototype/frtcars/PullmanStandard40ftPS1boxcars.xls


Ben Hom

Re: Seeking advice on Kadee 4000 boxcar use on Southeastern Road

Tim O'Connor
 


????????

Just look on the Kadee web site under discontinued models - You will find virtually
every southeastern owner of the cars there.




On 2/25/2020 10:48 AM, Allen Cain wrote:
I have come into several Kadee 4000 undecorated boxcars 1950-1953 Narrow Tab 40' PS-1 Boxcar with 6' Youngstown Door.
I am seeking advice for info on any southeastern roads that would have used this car in the 1950 to 1955 timeframe. Any suggestions? And if you have photos even better!
Thanks,
Allen Cain


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

Photo: Freight Cars The Departure Yard At Boston Freight Terminal

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Freight Cars The Departure Yard At Boston Freight Terminal

A Donald Haskel photo taken in August 1960:

https://www.railpictures.net/photo/305071/

A good variety of cars and roads.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Re: Seeking advice on Kadee 4000 boxcar use on Southeastern Road

O Fenton Wells
 

Allen go to the Steam Era Freight Car site and look at Pat Widers summary of PS-1 boxcars.  That should give you what you want.
Fenton

On Tue, Feb 25, 2020 at 10:48 AM Allen Cain <Allencaintn@...> wrote:
I have come into several Kadee 4000 undecorated boxcars 1950-1953 Narrow Tab 40' PS-1 Boxcar with 6' Youngstown Door.
I am seeking advice for info on any southeastern roads that would have used this car in the 1950 to 1955 timeframe. Any suggestions? And if you have photos even better!

Thanks,

Allen Cain



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