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Re: Photos: PRR Boxcar 501822 (1939)

Bruce Smith
 

Johannes,

With respect to the X23 fleet the X23B is a bit of an "oddball" with only around 750 or so being converted with what was essentially an X31 roof. 

I am not aware of any brass models of this car, and one of the issues with kitbashing it is that, as you may notice from the photo, these cars mostly had their side sheathing converted from vertical to horizontal, with the concurrent deletion of the intermediate braces. 

Regards,
Bruce
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


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Sent: Friday, September 25, 2020 12:43 PM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photos: PRR Boxcar 501822 (1939)
 
What a beautyful car! Would love to have a (brass) model of it. How many were built, and for how long were they used?
 
Many thanks and greetings
 
Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953
 
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Photos: PRR Boxcar 501822 (1939)

Photos from the Hagley Digital Archives:

https://digital.hagley.org/PRR_11778?solr_nav%5Bid%5D=19b1adcfdf21984ad3ff&solr_nav%5Bpage%5D=4&solr_nav%5Boffset%5D=7

https://digital.hagley.org/PRR_11777?solr_nav%5Bid%5D=19b1adcfdf21984ad3ff&solr_nav%5Bpage%5D=4&solr_nav%5Boffset%5D=15

Caption says this is an X23b.

Click on photos to enlarge them.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Photo: PRR Automobile Boxcar 500860 (1913)

Eric Hansmann
 

Those data plaques did not last long in service.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2020 12:28 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: PRR Automobile Boxcar 500860 (1913)

 

Photo: PRR Automobile Boxcar 500860 (1913)

A photo from the Hagley Digital Archives:

https://digital.hagley.org/PRR_ME02062A?solr_nav%5Bid%5D=7825b8881faaed455cdd&solr_nav%5Bpage%5D=8&solr_nav%5Boffset%5D=11

Click on photo to enlarge it.

End doors. X24.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: former SP resin car build

Tony Thompson
 

That’s an excellent build and very nicely weathered.
Thanks, Paul. Tony


Re: Photos: PRR Boxcar 501822 (1939)

vapeurchapelon
 

What a beautyful car! Would love to have a (brass) model of it. How many were built, and for how long were they used?
 
Many thanks and greetings
 
Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953
 
Gesendet: Freitag, 25. September 2020 um 19:28 Uhr
Von: "Bob Chaparro via groups.io" <chiefbobbb@...>
An: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Betreff: [RealSTMFC] Photos: PRR Boxcar 501822 (1939)

Photos: PRR Boxcar 501822 (1939)

Photos from the Hagley Digital Archives:

https://digital.hagley.org/PRR_11778?solr_nav%5Bid%5D=19b1adcfdf21984ad3ff&solr_nav%5Bpage%5D=4&solr_nav%5Boffset%5D=7

https://digital.hagley.org/PRR_11777?solr_nav%5Bid%5D=19b1adcfdf21984ad3ff&solr_nav%5Bpage%5D=4&solr_nav%5Boffset%5D=15

Caption says this is an X23b.

Click on photos to enlarge them.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photos: PRR Boxcar 501822 (1939)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photos: PRR Boxcar 501822 (1939)

Photos from the Hagley Digital Archives:

https://digital.hagley.org/PRR_11778?solr_nav%5Bid%5D=19b1adcfdf21984ad3ff&solr_nav%5Bpage%5D=4&solr_nav%5Boffset%5D=7

https://digital.hagley.org/PRR_11777?solr_nav%5Bid%5D=19b1adcfdf21984ad3ff&solr_nav%5Bpage%5D=4&solr_nav%5Boffset%5D=15

Caption says this is an X23b.

Click on photos to enlarge them.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: PRR Automobile Boxcar 500860 (1913)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: PRR Automobile Boxcar 500860 (1913)

A photo from the Hagley Digital Archives:

https://digital.hagley.org/PRR_ME02062A?solr_nav%5Bid%5D=7825b8881faaed455cdd&solr_nav%5Bpage%5D=8&solr_nav%5Boffset%5D=11

Click on photo to enlarge it.

End doors. X24.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Heinz "Coffin Tank" Pickle Cars

Eric Hansmann
 

Bill.

 

The 1943 ORER lists 21 pickle tank cars for HJ Heinz, but few looked exactly the same.

 

One of these cars, HJHX 43, has a 60,000 pound capacity. It might be one of the truss rod coffin-type pickle cars. These have only been produced by Westerfield Models.

 

17 other cars have a 80,000 pound capacity (70, 72, 80-84, 100, 102, 104) and were similar to the Athearn pickle tank car model with the enclosed sides.

 

The remaining cars (106, 113, 114) were all 100,000 pound capacity. I have not seen photographs of these cars. There are photos of HJHX 115, 116, and 117 in David Leider’s wonderful book, “Pickle and Vinegar Makers of the Midwest.” These cars look longer than the others. I recommend this book for details on this industry and the freight cars that were used. FYI, Leider notes there were only Heinz three pickle tank cars listed in the July 1963 ORER.

 

IIRC, Tyco or AHM produced a vinegar tank car with Heinz lettering. I do not recall a pickle tank car.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill J. via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2020 8:28 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Heinz "Coffin Tank" Pickle Cars

 

OK, we've all seen them, they've been produced by everyone from Tyco to Westerfield.  The question is, how late were they used?

Thanks, Bill Jolitz


Vinegar Tank Car 1641

Lester Breuer
 

Of the resin kits to be built, Sunshine Models Standard Brands, Inc. vinegar wood tank car, SBIX  1641, was the needed addition to the current freight car fleet.  Therefore, I built what I consider a complex model. If you are interested in the build of Sunshine Models vinegar tank car  including changes and addition of parts not in the kit.  Photos and writeup of the build process including paint, lettering and weathering are now available on my blog I have to share photos and writeup of modeling projects on my Minneapolis & Northland Railroad Company.   If you would like to take a look please do at the following link:


http://mnrailroadcab100.blogspot.com/

 Lester Breuer


Photo: SP Boxcar 24583 (1917)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: SP Boxcar 24583 (1917)

A photo from the Hagley Library collection:

https://digital.hagley.org/PRR_ME04245?solr_nav%5Bid%5D=d92b4d87184601fc9f37&solr_nav%5Bpage%5D=0&solr_nav%5Boffset%5D=2

Click on the photo to enlarge it.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Question about weathering

Rob & Bev Manley
 

Tony,
As long as you are using Pan Pastels, you can use them as washes. Apply to the model and with a stiff bristle artist oil brush or alcohol moistened Q-Tip, and manipulate the color on the model. Never get the Pans wet with water or alcohol. You can also use it as a stain by heavily wiping down the kit's wood components dry and setting (soaking) the pigment with the IsoPropyl Alcohol. Gin or Vodka works as well.

Rob Manley
"Better modeling through personal embarrassment"


On Wednesday, September 23, 2020, 01:38:22 PM CDT, Tony Thompson <tony@...> wrote:


      I have a fairly extensive and well illustrated description of using acrylic washes, in what are called "Reference pages" on my blog. They are found in the upper right corner of each blog post. Here is a link to Part 1, which is the basics (there is also a Part 2 with more advanced and more detailed aspects):


I continue to rely primarily on this method, with assists from artist's color pencils and Pan-Pastels for added effects.

Tony Thompson




Another color image: Sacramento museum HO WP 1916 built 40' SS box car

Andy Carlson
 

Another idea for converting to correct wheel base would be to replace the under frame with a Tichy USRA straight center sill underframe.

-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

On Friday, September 25, 2020, 12:50:00 AM PDT, Fred Jansz <fred@...> wrote:


Garth,
if you had the ability to resolder the bolsters, the trucks would hit the steps and cause short on curves and turnouts.
That's probably why OMI did the same and even shrunk their Andrews trucks.
Fred Jansz


Re: former SP resin car build

Paul Doggett
 

Tony 

That’s an excellent build and very nicely weathered.

Paul Doggett.    England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 


On 24 Sep 2020, at 21:36, Tony Thompson <tony@...> wrote:

I've just completed the build of a Sunshine kit for an SP Class B-50-14 box car, represented as sold to the Mexican government to join the new Ferrocarril del Pacifico. (That means I get to model a paint patch relater, based on prototype photographs!) The work was shown in three blog posts, two about model building and lastly the paint and lettering. The completed model is shown below. The final post about the project, with links to the previous posts, is at this link if you're interested.


Tony Thompson
tony@...




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Re: Another color image: Sacramento museum HO WP 1916 built 40' SS box car

Fred Jansz
 

Garth,
if you had the ability to resolder the bolsters, the trucks would hit the steps and cause short on curves and turnouts.
That's probably why OMI did the same and even shrunk their Andrews trucks.
Fred Jansz


ATSF FT-I and FT-J cross-section

Richard Townsend
 

I'm looking for a cross-section of ATSF FT-I and FT-J flat cars to see how the 4 fish-belly sills were spaced.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


Heinz "Coffin Tank" Pickle Cars

Bill J.
 

OK, we've all seen them, they've been produced by everyone from Tyco to Westerfield.  The question is, how late were they used?

Thanks, Bill Jolitz


Re: Photo: PRR Boxcar 501862 (Undated)

Douglas Harding
 

According the info below the photo, the car is a Plymouth. And it appears to have a 1935 license plate.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Parker via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2020 1:43 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: PRR Boxcar 501862 (Undated)

 

Great X23 photo, and yes it's not dated. But the reweigh date is clearly Oct 1933, and the repack date looks to be the same.  Given the required service intervals of the time, summer of 1934 would be very good guess.

Somebody who knows their 1930s automobiles better can probably ID the "victim" of this accident. 
--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA


Re: Another color image: Sacramento museum HO WP 1916 built 40' SS box car

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

Andy,

And wouldn't you know, I have four of the West Side cupola cars, two each of both versions, as well as a Balboa bay-window car. I wonder if the shorter wheelbase was done on purpose to allow them to go around model railroad curves. All of these older cars need some serious underframe and brake work, but the wheelbase problem is beyond my ability with a soldering iron.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  


On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 4:42 PM Andy Carlson <midcentury@...> wrote:
I saw this wood-less WP stock car about 20 years, or more, ago. I doubt that the museum had two of these survivors so I suspect my pictured car is the finished car of the one you shared its picture with us. Truth is, I don't know for sure.

As for having a box car to restore, I could see taking one of the cabooses made from these box cars and restoring back to a box car. You would have to rule out any of the bay window variants in that they had the bolster wheel bases reduced which would make any return to box car much more work. The earlier cupola rebuilt cabooses maintained the original under frame.

As a side note-- the Japanese made brass WP cabooses all came with the shortened  wheelbase chassis which was incorrect for the cupola versions.

Everyone please do well,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

On Thursday, September 24, 2020, 2:59:05 AM PDT, Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...> wrote:


Andy and Friends,

Is the stripped car WP 75895, the car CSRM restored and displayed outside the museum, or is it another survivor? I know it would be neat to have an example of one of the original 1916 boxcars, but the stock car was equally significant.

Attached are photos of 75895 (I think!) as I found it in West Sacramento on the SN about 1977 while awaiting movement to the CSRM, and later as it was displayed. The double-sheathed boxcar is SN 2350, which also went to the CSRM.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 11:19 PM Andy Carlson <midcentury@...> wrote:
Sacramento has a stripped of wood slats stock car. This stock car was built by the WP from rebuilt donor box cars of this subject.
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Re: Another color image: Sacramento museum HO WP 1916 built 40' SS box car

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

Andy, they probably did that for the version with coach steps.  The longer wheel base should have  been used on both versions.  I have long pondered how to move the steps out and relocate the trucks. It will involve extending the platform.  Aside from that it is a good model.

Bill Pardie





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From: Andy Carlson <midcentury@...>
Date: 9/24/20 10:42 AM (GMT-10:00)
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Another color image: Sacramento museum HO WP 1916 built 40' SS box car

I saw this wood-less WP stock car about 20 years, or more, ago. I doubt that the museum had two of these survivors so I suspect my pictured car is the finished car of the one you shared its picture with us. Truth is, I don't know for sure.

As for having a box car to restore, I could see taking one of the cabooses made from these box cars and restoring back to a box car. You would have to rule out any of the bay window variants in that they had the bolster wheel bases reduced which would make any return to box car much more work. The earlier cupola rebuilt cabooses maintained the original under frame.

As a side note-- the Japanese made brass WP cabooses all came with the shortened  wheelbase chassis which was incorrect for the cupola versions.

Everyone please do well,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

On Thursday, September 24, 2020, 2:59:05 AM PDT, Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...> wrote:


Andy and Friends,

Is the stripped car WP 75895, the car CSRM restored and displayed outside the museum, or is it another survivor? I know it would be neat to have an example of one of the original 1916 boxcars, but the stock car was equally significant.

Attached are photos of 75895 (I think!) as I found it in West Sacramento on the SN about 1977 while awaiting movement to the CSRM, and later as it was displayed. The double-sheathed boxcar is SN 2350, which also went to the CSRM.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 11:19 PM Andy Carlson <midcentury@...> wrote:
Sacramento has a stripped of wood slats stock car. This stock car was built by the WP from rebuilt donor box cars of this subject.
Inline image




Another color image: Sacramento museum HO WP 1916 built 40' SS box car

Andy Carlson
 

I saw this wood-less WP stock car about 20 years, or more, ago. I doubt that the museum had two of these survivors so I suspect my pictured car is the finished car of the one you shared its picture with us. Truth is, I don't know for sure.

As for having a box car to restore, I could see taking one of the cabooses made from these box cars and restoring back to a box car. You would have to rule out any of the bay window variants in that they had the bolster wheel bases reduced which would make any return to box car much more work. The earlier cupola rebuilt cabooses maintained the original under frame.

As a side note-- the Japanese made brass WP cabooses all came with the shortened  wheelbase chassis which was incorrect for the cupola versions.

Everyone please do well,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

On Thursday, September 24, 2020, 2:59:05 AM PDT, Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...> wrote:


Andy and Friends,

Is the stripped car WP 75895, the car CSRM restored and displayed outside the museum, or is it another survivor? I know it would be neat to have an example of one of the original 1916 boxcars, but the stock car was equally significant.

Attached are photos of 75895 (I think!) as I found it in West Sacramento on the SN about 1977 while awaiting movement to the CSRM, and later as it was displayed. The double-sheathed boxcar is SN 2350, which also went to the CSRM.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 11:19 PM Andy Carlson <midcentury@...> wrote:
Sacramento has a stripped of wood slats stock car. This stock car was built by the WP from rebuilt donor box cars of this subject.
Inline image




Re: Photo: PRR Boxcar 501862 (Undated)

Tony Thompson
 

Dave Parker wrote:

Great X23 photo, and yes it's not dated. But the reweigh date is clearly Oct 1933, and the repack date looks to be the same.  Given the required service intervals of the time, summer of 1934 would be very good guess.

    Certainly a superb shot emphasizing the superstructure framing of the X23.

Somebody who knows their 1930s automobiles better can probably ID the "victim" of this accident. 

      Accident? I thought it was an attempt to develop inverse piggyback <g>.

Tony Thompson



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