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Re: OMI 1930-built double dome tank car

Richard Townsend
 

Here's a light colored (silver?) one, without any obvious markings:

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From: Steve and Barb Hile <shile@...>
To: main <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Wed, Nov 6, 2019 8:26 pm
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] OMI 1930-built double dome tank car

We have been away for a few days, so this is a bit late to the party.  But, let me say that the Mainline Modeler UTLX 10,000 gallon tank car drawings seem to match pretty closely to a UTLX drawn general arrangement drawing for cars built in 1930 by UTLX with tanks provided by ACF.  The 10,000 gallon cars were numbered 27146-27324.  For reasons that I can't explain, perhaps related to the tanks being slightly different from the UTLX standard, this batch of X-3 cars had underframes that were 15 inches longer that the UTLX standard X-3 design.
 
As Tony often says, a few more details are in the UTLX book...
 
Richard Hendrickson provided a copy of this UTLX drawing to me, and probably to Bob Hundman, as well, as its basic dimensions followed into the MM drawing and then, apparently into the Overland model.
 
After Richard passed away, I was very glad to purchase his Overland model from his estate.  It has been painted and numbered into the above series, and I am proud to own it.
 
Steve Hile
 


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of WILLIAM PARDIE
Sent: Monday, November 04, 2019 5:48 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] OMI 1930-built double dome tank car

Overland produced many fine pieces of rolling stock many of which I am proud to have in my collection.  Some of their tank cars gave me reason to question them.  They produced a three dome model which years ago I finished as a ULTX car.
I was pleased with the model until several years ago when I purchased a Tangent three dome car.  The Tangent car looked like an N scale model next to the Overland car.  I found some drawings in Mailine Modeler which were smaller than the Overland car.

I also had a problem with their 10,000 gallon car which had a rather large platform on each end of the car.  Searched and searched but none found a prototype photo of this car.  Again Mainline modeler had a drawing that exactly matched the
 Overland car.  Possibly Overland used this drawing in producing the car.

My only other disappointment was a Texas & Pacific caboose which was 6' too short.  This car was replaced with a Hallmark model that was correct.

These disappointments are avery small percentage of the many fine models that they produced.  I recently rounded out my collection with the purchase of an Overland E-1 diesel originally done for the City Of San Francisco.  Overland also produced the version that SP converted to the Daylight scheme with the big number boards. Very pleased with this model.

Bill Pardie



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-------- Original message --------
From: Tony Thompson <tony@...>
Date: 11/4/19 1:20 PM (GMT-10:00)
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] OMI 1930-built double dome tank car

Bruce Smith wrote:

I was quoting the man… I can find no subsequent change of that sentiment, and it is clear from Richard’s comments that he was not involved in the design of this car.

     You are right that Richard had nothing to do with model design and was less than happy about what eventually came from OMI.
      At one point he pulled out his prints of all the photos he had sent to OMI. I had a few of those cars, and he had others, which we then looked at. I don't have any doubts of his connection as at least a source of info for OMI.

Tony Thompson



Re: OMI 1930-built double dome tank car

Steve and Barb Hile
 

We have been away for a few days, so this is a bit late to the party.  But, let me say that the Mainline Modeler UTLX 10,000 gallon tank car drawings seem to match pretty closely to a UTLX drawn general arrangement drawing for cars built in 1930 by UTLX with tanks provided by ACF.  The 10,000 gallon cars were numbered 27146-27324.  For reasons that I can't explain, perhaps related to the tanks being slightly different from the UTLX standard, this batch of X-3 cars had underframes that were 15 inches longer that the UTLX standard X-3 design.
 
As Tony often says, a few more details are in the UTLX book...
 
Richard Hendrickson provided a copy of this UTLX drawing to me, and probably to Bob Hundman, as well, as its basic dimensions followed into the MM drawing and then, apparently into the Overland model.
 
After Richard passed away, I was very glad to purchase his Overland model from his estate.  It has been painted and numbered into the above series, and I am proud to own it.
 
Steve Hile
 



From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of WILLIAM PARDIE
Sent: Monday, November 04, 2019 5:48 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] OMI 1930-built double dome tank car

Overland produced many fine pieces of rolling stock many of which I am proud to have in my collection.  Some of their tank cars gave me reason to question them.  They produced a three dome model which years ago I finished as a ULTX car.
I was pleased with the model until several years ago when I purchased a Tangent three dome car.  The Tangent car looked like an N scale model next to the Overland car.  I found some drawings in Mailine Modeler which were smaller than the Overland car.

I also had a problem with their 10,000 gallon car which had a rather large platform on each end of the car.  Searched and searched but none found a prototype photo of this car.  Again Mainline modeler had a drawing that exactly matched the
 Overland car.  Possibly Overland used this drawing in producing the car.

My only other disappointment was a Texas & Pacific caboose which was 6' too short.  This car was replaced with a Hallmark model that was correct.

These disappointments are avery small percentage of the many fine models that they produced.  I recently rounded out my collection with the purchase of an Overland E-1 diesel originally done for the City Of San Francisco.  Overland also produced the version that SP converted to the Daylight scheme with the big number boards. Very pleased with this model.

Bill Pardie



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

-------- Original message --------
From: Tony Thompson <tony@...>
Date: 11/4/19 1:20 PM (GMT-10:00)
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] OMI 1930-built double dome tank car

Bruce Smith wrote:

I was quoting the man… I can find no subsequent change of that sentiment, and it is clear from Richard’s comments that he was not involved in the design of this car.

     You are right that Richard had nothing to do with model design and was less than happy about what eventually came from OMI.
      At one point he pulled out his prints of all the photos he had sent to OMI. I had a few of those cars, and he had others, which we then looked at. I don't have any doubts of his connection as at least a source of info for OMI.

Tony Thompson



Re: RPM Chicagoland summary

Tim O'Connor
 

Thanks for sharing your fantastic presentation on UP freight cars Dick. Wow!

On 11/6/2019 7:50 PM, Dick Harley via Groups.Io wrote:

I also posted my clinic on UP freight car painting & lettering at:
https://harley-trains.smugmug.com/UP-PLN-FRT

Enjoy,
Dick Harley
Laguna Beach,  CA
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*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*

D&RGW Society Vol 18 #4 Prospector article

Tim O'Connor
 

Just FYI -

This issue has a 27 page article on Rio Grande's Pressed Steel box cars!
Lots of photos including some in color.




--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*

Re: OMI 1930-built GATC 10,000 Gal double dome tank car

John Barry
 

Fred,

From the 1936 tank car capacity tariff NIPX 6, 7 & 8 were heater coil equipped two compartment cars with shippers gauge shell/dome capacities as follows:

NIPX 6 A-4951/226, B-4948/226, total-9899/452

NIPX 7 A-4950/226, B-4953/226, total-9903/452

NIPX 8 A-4952/226, B-4949/226, total-9901/452

Multiple compartment domes usually had the compartment ID and shell capacity on the side.


John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736

On Wednesday, November 6, 2019, 4:38:17 AM EST, Fred Jansz <fred@...> wrote:


To all interested,

When pictured by H.A. Gerritsen in ca. 1988, NIPX 8 was a 'toxic waste' car serving as such on the NIPCO property, Michigan City, Indiana. Where the other two cars went to after their last appearance in the 1936 ORER, is a mystery, but I guess back into the GATX pool until retirement at some date.
Capy is 100000
LT WT 60800
CH 7-57
Asked Brian Marsh if he could check the archives for the original pics made by Mr. Gerritsen. Would like to see what's on the domes so I can make some decals for them (probably TANK A and tech specs and TANK B and tech specs).

NB: if the car was built in 1930 by GATC and photographed in 1988, it was operating and 'kind of lost' in my year 1950, probably illegally dumping it's toxic waste in the beautiful Feather River on my future layout....
I'm so sorry, but that's how it was in 1950 (on my layout).

cheers, Fred Jansz

PS, also own the single dome version of the OMI GATX 30 10K Gals insulated car.
This one will be painted & lettered for Western Asphalt.

Chicagoland Mini Kit

Gary Roe
 

Guys,

I am in the process of gathering the parts I need to build one of the HO versions of the mini kit.  I went to Yarmouth Model Works web site to order the Carmer cut levers.  Pierre has a half dozen different styles; but I don't have a prototype photo to use to compare.

Can someone point me in the right direction?

TIA

gary roe
quincy, illinois

Re: RPM Chicagoland summary

Dick Harley
 


I have posted my photos from RPM Chicagoland on my SmugMug site:
https://harley-trains.smugmug.com/Model-RR-Shows

I also posted my clinic on UP freight car painting & lettering at:
https://harley-trains.smugmug.com/UP-PLN-FRT

Enjoy,
Dick Harley
Laguna Beach,  CA

Re: OMI TANK CAR FOOTNOTE

Tim O'Connor
 


Shouldn't the reporting mark be
CDLX ?

They're both good models for sure.


On 11/6/2019 12:40 PM, WILLIAM PARDIE wrote:


One Overland tank car that I was rather pleased with was their Western Asphalt car.  The Roma Wine car is from Precision 
Scale and just happened to be sitting there.

Bill Pardie

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Re: CNW 43959 With Hay Dryer Load

bill woelfel
 

This would be on the ATSF's Pekin branch, right? Pretty rare to see any pics from that.  Bill

Re: OMI TANK CAR FOOTNOTE

Daniel A. Mitchell
 

While not comparable in detail to the OMI model,  the old Thomas 6-dome wine car is decent, about the correct size, and far above the norm for it’s time. It came in the livery of several wine companies. The only detail it really needs to look good is a set of Owl Mtn. pressure-release vents.

Dan Mitchell
==========

On Nov 6, 2019, at 3:42 PM, Fred Jansz <fred@...> wrote:

Bill, That's the way I'm going to paint my single dome OMI car too.
Your OMI Western Asphalt has the correct font, decalling being done by OMI at the time.
Unfortunately Tichy's decals' font is a bit skinny compared to the real thing.
Reporting marks are OK though: CDLX (OMI used COLX).
Your 6-dome ROMA tanker I'm quite jealous of!
Been bidding on one on fleebay last year, it went over the top for me at $400.
Oh well I'll cherish my Tangent single dome car...
best regards, Fred Jansz

Re: OMI TANK CAR FOOTNOTE

Fred Jansz
 

Bill, That's the way I'm going to paint my single dome OMI car too.
Your OMI Western Asphalt has the correct font, decalling being done by OMI at the time.
Unfortunately Tichy's decals' font is a bit skinny compared to the real thing.
Reporting marks are OK though: CDLX (OMI used COLX).
Your 6-dome ROMA tanker I'm quite jealous of!
Been bidding on one on fleebay last year, it went over the top for me at $400.
Oh well I'll cherish my Tangent single dome car...
best regards, Fred Jansz

Refrigerator Clean-out Track

Peter Hall
 

I'd like to ask the group to please send me photos of refrigerator car clean-out tracks.  I need to know what facilities were available at, say, PFE yards for cleaning out their reefers, in the immediate post-WWII era.  If not PFE, then any reefer clean-out track will do.

Thanks in advance.
Pete

Re: how automobiles were loaded onto racks in boxcars in 1932

Jack Mullen
 

This group of photos was discussed here recently. 
A key point is that the trucks are NOT loaded on racks, but are supported with individual wooden A-frames and blocking, the pre-rack technology. This link should take you to the original thread:
https://realstmfc.groups.io/g/main/topic/35071473?p=Created,,,20,1,0,0::recentpostdate%2Fsticky,,,20,0,60,35071473
Jack Mullen

Re: QREX Reporting Marks

Tony Thompson
 

Bob Chaparro wrote:

QREX Reporting Marks
Ian's Cranstone's list of reporting marks show QREX as assigned to:
Quaker City Refrigerator Line (7/1930-7/1932)
Quaker City Refrigerator Line (General American Tank Car Corp. 7/1935)
General American Transportation Corp. (7/1937)
I've noticed quite a few models carry the QREX reporting marks. These include the following companies . . .
I only found a prototype photo for Schlosser Brothers Dairy Products.
Can anyone verify prototypes for the other QREX reefers?

   See Chapter 9 in Hendrickson and Kaminski's book on Billboard Reefers, which covers Quaker, and includes these and other examples of prototype paint schemes. Full disclosure: it's a Signature Press book.

Tony Thompson



QREX Reporting Marks

Bob Chaparro
 

QREX Reporting Marks

Ian's Cranstone's list of reporting marks show QREX as assigned to:

Quaker City Refrigerator Line (7/1930-7/1932)

Quaker City Refrigerator Line (General American Tank Car Corp. 7/1935)

General American Transportation Corp. (7/1937)

I've noticed quite a few models carry the QREX reporting marks. These include the following companies on those models:

  • Booter's Hatcheries
  • Jack Daniel (You know what this is.)
  • Evansville Packing Company (May Blossom Butter)
  • Grand Union Food Markets
  • Guggenheim Brothers (Beef Packers)
  • Holland Butter
  • Krey Packing Company
  • Madame Butterfly (Cigars)
  • Norman & Company Cheese
  • Red Kamel (Cigarettes)
  • Schlosser Brothers Dairy Products
  • Tick Produce Company (Poultry & Eggs)
  • C. F. Vissman & Company (Pork & Beef Packers)

I only found a prototype photo for Schlosser Brothers Dairy Products.

Can anyone verify prototypes for the other QREX reefers?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] OMI 1930-built double dome tank car

Jon Miller
 

On 11/6/2019 10:43 AM, Jon Miller via Groups.Io wrote:

 

    Got some 4x glasses out and started looking.  Found Ajin in a small etching on the bottom and used calipers on the wheels and they are overall back to front .066. so am assuming  they are actually scale.
-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
SPROG User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS

Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] OMI 1930-built double dome tank car

Jon Miller
 

    Since we are talking about 2 dome cars does anyone have information on this one.  Bought it off (probably) eBay years ago.  At one time I may have known but am getting forgetful.  It came, to me, with the .088 wheelsets, and all painted black.  I'm guessing 8K without doing any measurements. (brass of course)


-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
SPROG User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS

Re: how automobiles were loaded onto racks in boxcars in 1932

Dennis Storzek
 

On Wed, Nov 6, 2019 at 09:38 AM, Claus Schlund \(HGM\) wrote:
http://www.railfan.net/lists/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-10-18-19/X7862.jpg
Those are actually truck chassis. The last image, link above, shows just a bare frame behind the firewall, and you can read GENERAL MOTORS TRUCK on the side of the hood.

Dennis Storzek

Re: PM Box loading with ground corn cobs.

Matt Goodman
 

This has been an interesting thread for me as one of the industries on my Railroad (Maizo Mills) produced patented products from ground corn cobs.

Maizo ground cobs to produce a patented product used for a variety of things. My notes are at home but the uses I remember offhand were as as a de-greaser and polishing medium in machining processes, in the furrier trade (probably as a dessicant) and by jewelry makers as a polishing medium (Maizo was owned by a Columbus jeweler, so it must have been important for that industry). Other contemporary sources said ground corn cobs were a component of linoleum.

Prior to the uses mentioned above, it was also used as a filler in animal feed, which apparently was made illegal in the twenties or thirties. Not a lot of nutritional value.

I have one poor-quality photo showing boxcars outside of Maizo, and an advertisement showing their product in bags - so probably about any class of boxcar could be used for shipping the bagged end product. My assumption is that cobs could have been shipped to Maizo from local elevators, by box car or truck.

This particular mill's output was reported to be 100% dedicated to the war effort (WWII) - especially after a sister mill in Illinois burned to the ground during the war. Maizo's fate was the same, although not until the mid-fifties.  1890's construction materials and methods and dust make good bon fires.

Matt Goodman
Columbus Ohio

On November 4, 2019 at 1:00 PM, "Matt Smith" <flyn96@...> wrote:

Nice pic of car loading with ground corn cobs. I read that corn cobs used during the war effort I believe it had something to do with plastics manufacturing??? Several articles indicated local elevators shipping corn cobs for the war effort.

http://www.idaillinois.org/digital/collection/p16614coll35/id/34348/rec/62

No location but somewhere in the central Illinois area.
5/4/44 IDA Pantagraph Collection
--
Matt Smith
Bloomington, IL



OMI TANK CAR FOOTNOTE

WILLIAM PARDIE
 



One Overland tank car that I was rather pleased with was their Western Asphalt car.  The Roma Wine car is from Precision 
Scale and just happened to be sitting there.

Bill Pardie