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Re: F&C B&M XM1
Paul Doggett
Clark
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The fingerprint is the most important thing 😁😁😷 a nice looking build. Paul Doggett. England 🏴
On 25 Sep 2020, at 20:49, Clark Propst <cepropst@q.com> wrote:
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Re: ATSF FT-I and FT-J cross-section
Jake Schaible
Ironically, I'm working on the AT&SF FT-J as we speak too... but in N scale. You may find this helpful, PJ Student's article re the FT-J (and the Ft-O&P) in HO. http://magazine.trainlife.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/ptm_197804.pdf starting on pg 16. All I have to work with is the grainy Cyril Durrenberger image of the Wt-J in this Student article, but it seems to materially differ from the Student version beyond what he mentions, in that it seems to have 5 subfloor braces that pierce the side sill web plates and extend to flush with the deck side sills - perhaps 3 center as I beam-ish (center and other 2 at the point of the fish belly bend) and the two towards the ends being c or box channels?
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WP CONVEERTED CABOOSE
WILLIAM PARDIE
Here is a shot of the converted box car WP caboose. It is a Westside model and I picked it up finished at a train show. That is until I compared it with a prototype photo and noticed how inboard the trucks were placed too far inboard. I got the model out this morning and held the under frame from Andy’s WP box car up against it. I can see how to correct it but I have too many other projects on the pallet right now. Bill Pardie
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Re: Question about weathering
Tony Thompson
David Burnett wrote:
Auxiliary use only. <g> Tony Thompson
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Re: F&C B&M XM1
Benjamin Hom
Clark Propst wrote: "Jason Klocke came up with a photo of one of these cars with the old door on either the DCI or FtDDM&S, don’t remember which?" Here's a Jim Sands photo of a car that went to the FDDM&S with a Youngstown door: Ben Hom
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Re: ATSF FT-I and FT-J cross-section
Steve SANDIFER
Richard says, “These cars had four fishbelly sills, with the outer sills approximately parallel with the wheel treads.”
J. Stephen Sandifer
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Townsend via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2020 10:45 PM To: main@realstmfc.groups.io Subject: [RealSTMFC] ATSF FT-I and FT-J cross-section
I'm looking for a cross-section of ATSF FT-I and FT-J flat cars to see how the 4 fish-belly sills were spaced. Richard Townsend Lincoln City, OR
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Re: Question about weathering
David Burnett
Tony,
are you thinking of non model railroad usage? DSB. David S. Burnett
On Friday, September 25, 2020, 10:54:34 AM PDT, Tony Thompson <tony@...> wrote:
Rob Manley wrote:
Don't have any that would surplus for this kind of use. <g>
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F&C B&M XM1
Clark Propst
Jason Klocke came up with a photo of one of these cars with the old door on either the DCI or FtDDM&S, don’t remember which? He picked up this flat kit off eBay cheap. The kit came with the KD #5s and sprung trucks. I traded labor for merchandise and built this model as part of the bargain. Spent a couple hours three afternoons to finish. I put a coat of primer (and a finger print) on it before putting it in the box.
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa
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Re: Photos: PRR Boxcar 501822 (1939)
vapeurchapelon
Many thanks, Bruce!
Of course there isn't a brass model of these (otherwise I probably would know or even already have it :-))
Though 750 cars is a small series for a railroad empire like PRR, in my eyes it's enough to justify one in a freight train and not to be viewed as too "odd-ball".
Thanks again
Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953
Gesendet: Freitag, 25. September 2020 um 19:52 Uhr
Von: "Bruce Smith" <smithbf@...> An: "main@RealSTMFC.groups.io" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> Betreff: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photos: PRR Boxcar 501822 (1939) Johannes,
With respect to the X23 fleet the X23B is a bit of an "oddball" with only around 750 or so being converted with what was essentially an X31 roof.
I am not aware of any brass models of this car, and one of the issues with kitbashing it is that, as you may notice from the photo, these cars mostly had their side sheathing converted from vertical to horizontal, with the concurrent deletion of the intermediate braces.
Regards,
Bruce
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of vapeurchapelon <j.markwart@...>
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2020 12:43 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photos: PRR Boxcar 501822 (1939) What a beautyful car! Would love to have a (brass) model of it. How many were built, and for how long were they used?
Many thanks and greetings
Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953
Gesendet: Freitag, 25. September 2020 um 19:28 Uhr
Von: "Bob Chaparro via groups.io" <chiefbobbb@...> An: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Betreff: [RealSTMFC] Photos: PRR Boxcar 501822 (1939) Photos: PRR Boxcar 501822 (1939) Photos from the Hagley Digital Archives: Caption says this is an X23b. Click on photos to enlarge them. Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Re: Question about weathering
Tony Thompson
Rob Manley wrote:
Don't have any that would surplus for this kind of use. <g> Tony Thompson
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Re: Photos: PRR Boxcar 501822 (1939)
Johannes,
With respect to the X23 fleet the X23B is a bit of an "oddball" with only around 750 or so being converted with what was essentially an X31 roof.
I am not aware of any brass models of this car, and one of the issues with kitbashing it is that, as you may notice from the photo, these cars mostly had their side sheathing converted from vertical to horizontal, with the concurrent deletion of the intermediate
braces.
Regards,
Bruce
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of vapeurchapelon <j.markwart@...>
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2020 12:43 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photos: PRR Boxcar 501822 (1939) What a beautyful car! Would love to have a (brass) model of it. How many were built, and for how long were they used?
Many thanks and greetings
Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953
Gesendet: Freitag, 25. September 2020 um 19:28 Uhr
Von: "Bob Chaparro via groups.io" <chiefbobbb@...> An: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Betreff: [RealSTMFC] Photos: PRR Boxcar 501822 (1939) Photos: PRR Boxcar 501822 (1939) Photos from the Hagley Digital Archives: Caption says this is an X23b. Click on photos to enlarge them. Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Re: Photo: PRR Automobile Boxcar 500860 (1913)
Eric Hansmann
Those data plaques did not last long in service.
Eric Hansmann Murfreesboro, TN
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2020 12:28 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: PRR Automobile Boxcar 500860 (1913)
Photo: PRR Automobile Boxcar 500860 (1913) A photo from the Hagley Digital Archives: Click on photo to enlarge it. End doors. X24. Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Re: former SP resin car build
Tony Thompson
That’s an excellent build and very nicely weathered.Thanks, Paul. Tony
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Re: Photos: PRR Boxcar 501822 (1939)
vapeurchapelon
What a beautyful car! Would love to have a (brass) model of it. How many were built, and for how long were they used?
Many thanks and greetings
Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953
Gesendet: Freitag, 25. September 2020 um 19:28 Uhr
Von: "Bob Chaparro via groups.io" <chiefbobbb@...> An: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Betreff: [RealSTMFC] Photos: PRR Boxcar 501822 (1939) Photos: PRR Boxcar 501822 (1939) Photos from the Hagley Digital Archives: Caption says this is an X23b. Click on photos to enlarge them. Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Photos: PRR Boxcar 501822 (1939)
Photos: PRR Boxcar 501822 (1939) Photos from the Hagley Digital Archives: Caption says this is an X23b. Click on photos to enlarge them. Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Photo: PRR Automobile Boxcar 500860 (1913)
Photo: PRR Automobile Boxcar 500860 (1913) A photo from the Hagley Digital Archives: Click on photo to enlarge it. End doors. X24. Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Re: Heinz "Coffin Tank" Pickle Cars
Eric Hansmann
Bill.
The 1943 ORER lists 21 pickle tank cars for HJ Heinz, but few looked exactly the same.
One of these cars, HJHX 43, has a 60,000 pound capacity. It might be one of the truss rod coffin-type pickle cars. These have only been produced by Westerfield Models.
17 other cars have a 80,000 pound capacity (70, 72, 80-84, 100, 102, 104) and were similar to the Athearn pickle tank car model with the enclosed sides.
The remaining cars (106, 113, 114) were all 100,000 pound capacity. I have not seen photographs of these cars. There are photos of HJHX 115, 116, and 117 in David Leider’s wonderful book, “Pickle and Vinegar Makers of the Midwest.” These cars look longer than the others. I recommend this book for details on this industry and the freight cars that were used. FYI, Leider notes there were only Heinz three pickle tank cars listed in the July 1963 ORER.
IIRC, Tyco or AHM produced a vinegar tank car with Heinz lettering. I do not recall a pickle tank car.
Eric Hansmann Murfreesboro, TN
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill J. via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2020 8:28 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: [RealSTMFC] Heinz "Coffin Tank" Pickle Cars
OK, we've all seen them, they've been produced by everyone from Tyco to Westerfield. The question is, how late were they used?
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Vinegar Tank Car 1641
Lester Breuer
Of the resin kits to be built, Sunshine Models Standard Brands, Inc. vinegar wood tank car, SBIX 1641, was the needed addition to the current freight car fleet. Therefore, I built what I consider a complex model. If you are interested in the build of Sunshine Models vinegar tank car including changes and addition of parts not in the kit. Photos and writeup of the build process including paint, lettering and weathering are now available on my blog I have to share photos and writeup of modeling projects on my Minneapolis & Northland Railroad Company. If you would like to take a look please do at the following link:
Lester Breuer
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Photo: SP Boxcar 24583 (1917)
Photo: SP Boxcar 24583 (1917) A photo from the Hagley Library collection: Click on the photo to enlarge it. Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Re: Question about weathering
Tony, As long as you are using Pan Pastels, you can use them as washes. Apply to the model and with a stiff bristle artist oil brush or alcohol moistened Q-Tip, and manipulate the color on the model. Never get the Pans wet with water or alcohol. You can also use it as a stain by heavily wiping down the kit's wood components dry and setting (soaking) the pigment with the IsoPropyl Alcohol. Gin or Vodka works as well. Rob Manley
"Better modeling through personal embarrassment"
On Wednesday, September 23, 2020, 01:38:22 PM CDT, Tony Thompson <tony@...> wrote:
I have a fairly extensive and well illustrated description of using acrylic washes, in what are called "Reference pages" on my blog. They are found in the upper right corner of each blog post. Here is a link to Part 1, which is the basics (there is also a Part 2 with more advanced and more detailed aspects): I continue to rely primarily on this method, with assists from artist's color pencils and Pan-Pastels for added effects.
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