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Re: SL-SF boxcar color help with SC II Paints

O Fenton Wells
 

Thanks, that’s interesting. I already have that mixed up. I have to change the MDC inverse 3/3/3 end to a regular 3/3/3 end. 


On Feb 8, 2021, at 6:54 PM, gary laakso <vasa0vasa@...> wrote:



The Sunshine Frisco Howe Truss boxcars were featured in the RPC Volume 2 and the Joe Pennington formula for paint was a 50/50 mix of Floquil boxcar red and Southern freight car brown. 

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of O Fenton Wells
Sent: Monday, February 8, 2021 3:44 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] SL-SF boxcar color help with SC II Paints

 

Thanks Chris, I’ll check it out. The Bill Welch article in Speedwitch magazine looks very red. Bill used Vallejo paints which don’t give paint colors that a model railroader can translate at least only if inspector Closeau could investigate 

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On Feb 8, 2021, at 6:32 PM, bigfourroad <vannessco@...> wrote:

Fenton 
It sounds a little counter-intuitive but it is always worth consulting a purportedly matching TruColor chart of freight car colors.  The Frisco color mentioned there is TCP 184 1944  - 1960 bc red which seems to be very close to a number of bc colors including C of G bc red. By a process of triangulation you may be able to land almost exactly on the offered Scalecoat II color.  180-200.jpg (3283×2528) (trucolorpaint.com)
Cheers
Chris Rooney


Re: SL-SF boxcar color help with SC II Paints

gary laakso
 

The Sunshine Frisco Howe Truss boxcars were featured in the RPC Volume 2 and the Joe Pennington formula for paint was a 50/50 mix of Floquil boxcar red and Southern freight car brown. 

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of O Fenton Wells
Sent: Monday, February 8, 2021 3:44 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] SL-SF boxcar color help with SC II Paints

 

Thanks Chris, I’ll check it out. The Bill Welch article in Speedwitch magazine looks very red. Bill used Vallejo paints which don’t give paint colors that a model railroader can translate at least only if inspector Closeau could investigate 

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On Feb 8, 2021, at 6:32 PM, bigfourroad <vannessco@...> wrote:

Fenton 
It sounds a little counter-intuitive but it is always worth consulting a purportedly matching TruColor chart of freight car colors.  The Frisco color mentioned there is TCP 184 1944  - 1960 bc red which seems to be very close to a number of bc colors including C of G bc red. By a process of triangulation you may be able to land almost exactly on the offered Scalecoat II color.  180-200.jpg (3283×2528) (trucolorpaint.com)
Cheers
Chris Rooney


Re: AP article on model railroading today...

fire5506
 

I'm sure I'm like a lot on here. I started with trains when a child became a teenager, still interested in trains but had also started getting interested in the opposite sex so that started taking more of my time. I did join a club (West Island MRR club on Long Island) I moved to Florida when I was 21 and model railroading went to the back burner as I got married plus work got in the way. Later on many years later I was able to bring MRR more to the front. I went through times I could not afford to purchase anything for a hobby, but in later years I had a little more available for luxuries such as model trains. Now that I am retired, model railroading is more on the front burner. I'm sure I wasn't on the radar of most of the older people that were saying MRR was dying, but here I am now. I still have to watch how much I spend on models, but am sure a lot more active in it.

Richard Webster


Re: SL-SF boxcar color help with SC II Paints

O Fenton Wells
 

Thanks Chris, I’ll check it out. The Bill Welch article in Speedwitch magazine looks very red. Bill used Vallejo paints which don’t give paint colors that a model railroader can translate at least only if inspector Closeau could investigate 

Sent from my iP

On Feb 8, 2021, at 6:32 PM, bigfourroad <vannessco@...> wrote:

Fenton 
It sounds a little counter-intuitive but it is always worth consulting a purportedly matching TruColor chart of freight car colors.  The Frisco color mentioned there is TCP 184 1944  - 1960 bc red which seems to be very close to a number of bc colors including C of G bc red. By a process of triangulation you may be able to land almost exactly on the offered Scalecoat II color.  180-200.jpg (3283×2528) (trucolorpaint.com)
Cheers
Chris Rooney


Re: GATC reweight station symbols

Steve and Barb Hile
 

Thanks, with Tony’s C for Colton, we have, at least, a reasonable idea for those other letters.

 

Steve

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard Townsend via groups.io
Sent: Monday, February 8, 2021 4:07 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] GATC reweight station symbols

 

I'll make some nominations. Not the least bit authoritative, but based on where GATC had some type of facilities, so somewhat SWAGish.

 

L - Lawrenceville, IL

J - Jacksonville, FL

P - Portland, OR

Richard Townsend

Lincoln City, OR

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Steve and Barb Hile <shile@...>
To: STMFC <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Mon, Feb 8, 2021 9:22 am
Subject: [RealSTMFC] GATC reweight station symbols

I have been looking at a lot of Swift reefer pictures recently, partially for reweight dates and locations.  I have seen a number of cars with

 

EC

 

which makes good sense as East Chicago, Inidana.  A main plant location

 

But I also see

 

L

J

C

P

 

Multiple times in the same set of stencils

 

Can anyone point to locations to match these reweigh locations, probably remote shop sites for GATC.  I note that in the ORER’s it lists East Chicago, Union Stock Yards (Chicago) and Kansas City as home points for refrigerator cars.

 

Thanks a bunch.

 

Steve Hile


Re: SL-SF boxcar color help with SC II Paints

bigfourroad
 

Fenton 
It sounds a little counter-intuitive but it is always worth consulting a purportedly matching TruColor chart of freight car colors.  The Frisco color mentioned there is TCP 184 1944  - 1960 bc red which seems to be very close to a number of bc colors including C of G bc red. By a process of triangulation you may be able to land almost exactly on the offered Scalecoat II color.  180-200.jpg (3283×2528) (trucolorpaint.com)
Cheers
Chris Rooney


Re: GATC reweight station symbols

Tim O'Connor
 


EC appears on many GATX tank cars. SHN (Sharon) is another.



On 2/8/2021 5:06 PM, Richard Townsend via groups.io wrote:
I'll make some nominations. Not the least bit authoritative, but based on where GATC had some type of facilities, so somewhat SWAGish.

L - Lawrenceville, IL
J - Jacksonville, FL
P - Portland, OR

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: Steve and Barb Hile <shile@...>
To: STMFC <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Mon, Feb 8, 2021 9:22 am
Subject: [RealSTMFC] GATC reweight station symbols

I have been looking at a lot of Swift reefer pictures recently, partially for reweight dates and locations.  I have seen a number of cars with
 
EC
 
which makes good sense as East Chicago, Inidana.  A main plant location
 
But I also see
 
L
J
C
P
 
Multiple times in the same set of stencils
 
Can anyone point to locations to match these reweigh locations, probably remote shop sites for GATC.  I note that in the ORER’s it lists East Chicago, Union Stock Yards (Chicago) and Kansas City as home points for refrigerator cars.
 
Thanks a bunch.
 
Steve Hile


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: AP article on model railroading today...

Tim O'Connor
 


I joined the Facebook "Athearn blue box" group for the same reason - many inexperienced modelers
and lots of enthusiasm - I don't know (or care) about their ages but many of them seem young at heart. :-)
Good modelers are made, not born that way - pass on what we've learned - and remember it's fun.


On 2/8/2021 4:51 PM, CJ Riley via groups.io wrote:
I belong to the NMRA Facebook group and the posts age rife with questions from beginners, many obviously young because they want answers from the net and not from books or magazines. And they usually get proper and complete answers although there are often differences of opinion.  They also love to post photos of their latest bargains found on eBay or at train shows. While I am older than probably 95% of the hobby, it seems to be in good hands, just different approaches.


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: AP article on model railroading today...

Brian Termunde
 

Bob;
It's nice to hear some good news among all the negative! Thanks for sharing both of this cheerful items as well as all of the other nuggets you are so generous in sharing. Especially the Barringer photos, it was wonderful to see the photos of the Grand Canyon (where I started my career in the hospitality industry 30 years ago) and at William, Ariz.! Thanks ever so much!


Take care, 


Brian


Re: AP article on model railroading today...

maynard stowe
 

I just stopped by at East Deerfield, Mass after getting my car washed. Not much going on; there was a young guy - late teens/ ear twenties - standing taking pictures for at least 20 minutes. It was 27 degrees out; I don't think the hobby is dead yet.
Maynard Stowe 


Re: GATC reweight station symbols

Richard Townsend
 

I'll make some nominations. Not the least bit authoritative, but based on where GATC had some type of facilities, so somewhat SWAGish.

L - Lawrenceville, IL
J - Jacksonville, FL
P - Portland, OR

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: Steve and Barb Hile <shile@...>
To: STMFC <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Mon, Feb 8, 2021 9:22 am
Subject: [RealSTMFC] GATC reweight station symbols

I have been looking at a lot of Swift reefer pictures recently, partially for reweight dates and locations.  I have seen a number of cars with
 
EC
 
which makes good sense as East Chicago, Inidana.  A main plant location
 
But I also see
 
L
J
C
P
 
Multiple times in the same set of stencils
 
Can anyone point to locations to match these reweigh locations, probably remote shop sites for GATC.  I note that in the ORER’s it lists East Chicago, Union Stock Yards (Chicago) and Kansas City as home points for refrigerator cars.
 
Thanks a bunch.
 
Steve Hile


Re: AP article on model railroading today...

CJ Riley
 

I belong to the NMRA Facebook group and the posts age rife with questions from beginners, many obviously young because they want answers from the net and not from books or magazines. And they usually get proper and complete answers although there are often differences of opinion.  They also love to post photos of their latest bargains found on eBay or at train shows. While I am older than probably 95% of the hobby, it seems to be in good hands, just different approaches.




Re: Jon MIller - sad news

Tony Thompson
 

Tom Madden wrote:

Just heard from Jon's daughter, Stephanie, that Jon passed away on January 21. Jon was diagnosed with lung cancer in early January and it was too advanced to treat. I believe Jon was one of the original members of this list and, personally, was very supportive of my casting and 3D printing endeavors. You will remember Jon for his tag line, "For me, time stopped in 1941". 

    I will certainly miss Jon and his trademark fedora. He often contributed to this list, as experienced members will remember. He was a fixture at Pacific Coast Region events and always an interesting person to talk modeling with. I enjoyed his stories and his respect for the hobby's pioneers. Another friend departed.

Tony Thompson




Re: AP article on model railroading today...

Tony Thompson
 

Tim O'Connor wrote:

Old guys (like us, now) have been crying about the death of the hobby since I was a child.

Very true. In this context, I always mention the editorial in _Model Railroader_ in the early 1950s, a period when MR surveyed its members every year or two. They had noted that the average age in the previous few years had been increasing, and concluded that the hobby only had a few years to run -- unless we all started vigorously recruiting the young. Sound familiar?

Tony Thompson




Re: Jon MIller - sad news

O Fenton Wells
 

Thanks Tom, so sorry to hear.


On Mon, Feb 8, 2021 at 3:08 PM Tom Madden via groups.io <pullmanboss=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Just heard from Jon's daughter, Stephanie, that Jon passed away on January 21. Jon was diagnosed with lung cancer in early January and it was too advanced to treat. I believe Jon was one of the original members of this list and, personally, was very supportive of my casting and 3D printing endeavors. You will remember Jon for his tag line, "For me, time stopped in 1941". 

Fare well, friend...

Tom Madden



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Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...


Re: Jon MIller - sad news

 

Another good one, gone too soon.

 

 

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

 

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of "Tom Madden via groups.io" <pullmanboss@...>
Reply-To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Monday, February 8, 2021 at 2:07 PM
To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Jon MIller - sad news

 

Just heard from Jon's daughter, Stephanie, that Jon passed away on January 21. Jon was diagnosed with lung cancer in early January and it was too advanced to treat. I believe Jon was one of the original members of this list and, personally, was very supportive of my casting and 3D printing endeavors. You will remember Jon for his tag line, "For me, time stopped in 1941". 

Fare well, friend...

Tom Madden


Jon MIller - sad news

Tom Madden
 

Just heard from Jon's daughter, Stephanie, that Jon passed away on January 21. Jon was diagnosed with lung cancer in early January and it was too advanced to treat. I believe Jon was one of the original members of this list and, personally, was very supportive of my casting and 3D printing endeavors. You will remember Jon for his tag line, "For me, time stopped in 1941". 

Fare well, friend...

Tom Madden


Re: SL-SF boxcar color help with SC II Paints

O Fenton Wells
 

Thanks Ron


On Mon, Feb 8, 2021 at 11:46 AM mopacfirst <ron.merrick@...> wrote:
Advice from somebody who can't see reds very well --

I have four Sunshine Frisco cars that will soon be ready to paint.  The Sunshine instructions (based on Floquil) suggest a color similar to oxide red.  I would probably use Scalecoat II oxide red or boxcar red #3.  But I'd be really happy to hear from somebody else with more experience or capability than I.  I do know I had seen a couple of the 32000 series cars still around, about 1970, and I think that oxide-ish color is what my photo showed.  Could have been fading, since this is a small sample size.  

Ron Merrick



--
Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...


Re: GATC reweight station symbols

Tony Thompson
 

Steve Hile wrote:

I have been looking at a lot of Swift reefer pictures recently, partially for reweight dates and locations. . .
But I also see
 
L
J
C
P

  GATC had a repair plant at Colton, California, likely the "C". I have seen photos of GA tank cars with either C or COLN on them.

Tony Thompson




Re: PRECO Fan Ownership

Tony Thompson
 

Ken Adams wrote:

PFE was responsible for maintenance motors and fan belts in 1971-72. I worked the PFE payables desk during that period and processed many payments to outside vendors for rewinding burned out motors and replacement fan belts. By 1973 ice services were being wound down but top ice and fans were still specified on a lot of ice car loads. 

    Do you mean the onboard motors and drive belts in the PFE car? The question was about the motors that shippers kept in their facility to use with the original mechanical fans.

Tony Thompson



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