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Re: PRECO Fan Ownership

Ken Adams
 

PFE was responsible for maintenance motors and fan belts in 1971-72. I worked the PFE payables desk during that period and processed many payments to outside vendors for rewinding burned out motors and replacement fan belts. By 1973 ice services were being wound down but top ice and fans were still specified on a lot of ice car loads. 
--
Ken Adams
Still in splendid Shelter In Place solitude, about half way up Walnut Creek
Owner PlasticFreightCarBuilders@groups.io


GATC reweight station symbols

Steve and Barb Hile
 

I have been looking at a lot of Swift reefer pictures recently, partially for reweight dates and locations.  I have seen a number of cars with

 

EC

 

which makes good sense as East Chicago, Inidana.  A main plant location

 

But I also see

 

L

J

C

P

 

Multiple times in the same set of stencils

 

Can anyone point to locations to match these reweigh locations, probably remote shop sites for GATC.  I note that in the ORER’s it lists East Chicago, Union Stock Yards (Chicago) and Kansas City as home points for refrigerator cars.

 

Thanks a bunch.

 

Steve Hile


Re: SL-SF boxcar color help with SC II Paints

mopacfirst
 

Advice from somebody who can't see reds very well --

I have four Sunshine Frisco cars that will soon be ready to paint.  The Sunshine instructions (based on Floquil) suggest a color similar to oxide red.  I would probably use Scalecoat II oxide red or boxcar red #3.  But I'd be really happy to hear from somebody else with more experience or capability than I.  I do know I had seen a couple of the 32000 series cars still around, about 1970, and I think that oxide-ish color is what my photo showed.  Could have been fading, since this is a small sample size.  

Ron Merrick


Re: AP article on model railroading today...

Steve SANDIFER
 

Our club here in Houston is helping sponsor a model railroad club at a local middle school. The kids are building modules and learning how to do things. We include them on our layout tour and support their annual train show.  

 

At our train show, you can purchase all the blue box and equivalent cars with Kadees that you want for $5. With the deaths of owners of large railroads, the local market is saturated with quality equipment and the only way to sell it is to sell it cheap. So if you don’t require the latest greatest, there is a very large supply of affordable equipment available.

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Douglas Harding
Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2021 4:31 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] AP article on model railroading today...

 

Lets rethink this for a moment. Walthers has brand new Accurail boxcars on sale for $12.98. Not everyone starts out with super detailed RTR $50 cars. In fact almost no one does. As a married grad student, I started with a Bachmann train set, followed by a bunch of Tyco train set cars and Athearn kits. Today I still purchase Accurail kits. Why? Because they are cheap and durable, which is great for building a fleet for operations.

 

I have people younger than me asking for advice on how to get started with track, engines, cars, etc. No they don’t have lots of money, but with judicious purchasing at swap meets and hobby shops that deal with used items anyone can get a good start. With some guidance from someone “who has been there” and who knows what is good and what is not, a new person can stretch those dollars. And let us not forget the large number of “estates” that are starting to show up on the market. One hobby shop I frequent has been purchasing estates and has used track, engines and cars at prices that a beginner can afford. Later that hobby shop will sell new items to that same repeat customer.

 

It is up to each of us experienced modelers to share our expertise and mentor those who are interested. When was the last time you showed someone how to assemble an Athearn or Accurail boxcar? The grab irons and brake detail can wait for later, after you have showed them how to drill holes in plastic and wood.

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Nelson
Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2021 3:44 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] AP article on model railroading today...

 

Whistling past the graveyard (literally).  Any hobby with an average age of 68 is in trouble and with models of freight cars costing $40-$50 a pop there is no pulling in teenagers or young adults.

 

Dave Nelson

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2021 8:47 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] AP article on model railroading today...

 

A positive message from a Southern California railroad hobby shop owner:

https://groups.io/g/ModelRailroadsofSoCalif/message/16456?p=,,,20,0,0,0::Created,,railMaster,20,2,0,80172809

And a story about Walthers:

https://groups.io/g/ModelRailroadsofSoCalif/message/16443?p=,,,20,0,0,0::Created,,walthers,20,2,0,80172809

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: End stiles

Clark Propst
 

Dave nice Dave! Way to fiddly for me.

Clark Propst

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: AP article on model railroading today...

Mark Rossiter
 

Dave, I respectfully disagree with your position.  Our local model railroad club has at least a half-dozen members under the age of 20 and they are very enthusiastic about the hobby.  Most are active railfans as well.  The big difference as I see it is they are more interested in operations (running trains) than they are in building models.  Yes, some add super details to their equipment, but for the most part they buy RTR.  Somehow they seem to be able to afford the latest in sound-equipped DCC locomotives and highly detailed freight cars.  One young member is starting to amass a sizeable collection of brass steam locomotives.  He is not a rich kid, so I suspect he prefers saving his money for models over X-box games and $300 sneakers.

 

This is all anecdotal, of course, but I don’t see the hobby as dying, just changing. 

 

Mark Rossiter   

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: AP article on model railroading today...

Brian Carlson
 

Around 1988, I saved my allowance and did chores for a couple of months in order to afford an atlas RS 11 at $45. Even then I was modeling the steam era.  Today that same locomotive would be $100 accounting for inflation. If you shop around you can get decent locomotives for that price or less. Heck even Bachmann with DCC can be had around that price  We tend to forget inflation when looking back.  

Brian J. Carlson 

On Feb 8, 2021, at 9:03 AM, Dennis Storzek <destorzek@...> wrote:

On Sun, Feb 7, 2021 at 02:30 PM, Douglas Harding wrote:
Lets rethink this for a moment. Walthers has brand new Accurail boxcars on sale for $12.98.
Well, we try. The real problem, as I see it, is the disappearance of $40 locomotives to pull those cars.

Dennis Storzek
Accurail, Inc.


Re: AP article on model railroading today...

Dennis Storzek
 

On Sun, Feb 7, 2021 at 02:30 PM, Douglas Harding wrote:
Lets rethink this for a moment. Walthers has brand new Accurail boxcars on sale for $12.98.
Well, we try. The real problem, as I see it, is the disappearance of $40 locomotives to pull those cars.

Dennis Storzek
Accurail, Inc.


SL-SF boxcar color help with SC II Paints

O Fenton Wells
 

I have a couple of Frisco (SL-SF, a road I'm not familiar with) boxcars to paint and want to use SCII.  Any recommendations on paint color.  I model 1953 so anything from the 40's through 1953 is good.
Thanks in advance
Fenton


Re: PRECO Fan Ownership

Bill Parks
 

Tony - 

Thanks for answer

--
Bill Parks
Cumming, GA
Modelling the Seaboard Airline in Central Florida


Re: PRECO Fan Ownership

Tony Thompson
 

My understanding is that shippers owned those motors and fan belts. PFE advised on what to buy.
Tony Thompson 


On Feb 7, 2021, at 12:54 PM, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:



PRECO Fan Ownership

A question posted on several other groups.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

++++

Does anyone know who owned the motors that would be attached to reefers to run the PRECO fans while the cars were being loading? Was it the shipper, the railroad, or the car companies (PFE, SFRD, FGE, etc.)?
Also, I assume that the shippers were the ones responsible for attaching the motors to the cars, running them, and removing them before the car was moved. Is that correct?
Thanks in advance for any insight.
Bill Parks
Cumming, GA
Modelling the Seaboard Airline in Central Florida


Re: Photo: N&W Livestock Car 33000

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Interesting,  I guess it could be my monitor, but at 32.5” I (apparently mistakenly) thought it was showing things in accurate proportion.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2021 4:32 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: N&W Livestock Car 33000

 

Hi Schuyler,

 

Frankly, my eyes do not see any change in image proportions.

 

Furthermore, on my browser (Firefox), the image info is as follows:

 

Full size image width 800px, height 579px, ratio of width to height is 1.382

 

Origional (smaller) image width 500px, height 362px, ratio of width to height is 1.381

 

Since the ratio of width to height is virtually unchanged between the two viewing options, this supports the notion that there is no distortion

 

Claus Schlund

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2021 3:20 PM

Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: N&W Livestock Car 33000

 

Note that when you click on the image for a larger view, the proportions of the car are different.  Longer, less tall.  The original image (I assume) is distorted.

 

BTW, can anyone make out the BLT date?  I read the servicing date as 5-53, is that right?

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2021 12:33 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: N&W Livestock Car 33000

 

Photo: N&W Livestock Car 33000

A photo from the Virginia Tech Universities Library:

https://imagebase.lib.vt.edu/image_viewer.php?q=NS2780

Click on the photo to enlarge it. Cars were forty-two feet long.

Part of series 33000-33249

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: AP article on model railroading today...

Douglas Harding
 

Lets rethink this for a moment. Walthers has brand new Accurail boxcars on sale for $12.98. Not everyone starts out with super detailed RTR $50 cars. In fact almost no one does. As a married grad student, I started with a Bachmann train set, followed by a bunch of Tyco train set cars and Athearn kits. Today I still purchase Accurail kits. Why? Because they are cheap and durable, which is great for building a fleet for operations.

 

I have people younger than me asking for advice on how to get started with track, engines, cars, etc. No they don’t have lots of money, but with judicious purchasing at swap meets and hobby shops that deal with used items anyone can get a good start. With some guidance from someone “who has been there” and who knows what is good and what is not, a new person can stretch those dollars. And let us not forget the large number of “estates” that are starting to show up on the market. One hobby shop I frequent has been purchasing estates and has used track, engines and cars at prices that a beginner can afford. Later that hobby shop will sell new items to that same repeat customer.

 

It is up to each of us experienced modelers to share our expertise and mentor those who are interested. When was the last time you showed someone how to assemble an Athearn or Accurail boxcar? The grab irons and brake detail can wait for later, after you have showed them how to drill holes in plastic and wood.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Nelson
Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2021 3:44 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] AP article on model railroading today...

 

Whistling past the graveyard (literally).  Any hobby with an average age of 68 is in trouble and with models of freight cars costing $40-$50 a pop there is no pulling in teenagers or young adults.

 

Dave Nelson

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2021 8:47 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] AP article on model railroading today...

 

A positive message from a Southern California railroad hobby shop owner:

https://groups.io/g/ModelRailroadsofSoCalif/message/16456?p=,,,20,0,0,0::Created,,railMaster,20,2,0,80172809

And a story about Walthers:

https://groups.io/g/ModelRailroadsofSoCalif/message/16443?p=,,,20,0,0,0::Created,,walthers,20,2,0,80172809

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: AP article on model railroading today...

Tim O'Connor
 


Old guys (like us, now) have been crying about the death of the hobby since I was a child.
I read Super Bowl tickets cost more than $6,000. Is football dying? No. I think the average
adult age of becoming an ACTIVE model railroader has always been in the 30-40 age range
and the median age of modelers, while climbing, was in the mid 40's when I was a kid. I see
a LOT of children and families at the Springfield Big E train show. And I see young modelers
with some very impressive skills. And remember that it is a WORLD hobby - there are people
who love trains all over the world. :-)


On 2/7/2021 4:57 PM, Scott Kremer wrote:
Get them involved in operations, which requires little to nothing, and you have a reasonable chance that they will come back to the hobby later in life.  Get the ones who are involved in making plastic models to realize there is a lot of opportunity to make great models in model railroading and they too will stay involved.

Scott Kremer

On Feb 7, 2021, at 4:43 PM, Dave Nelson <Lake_Muskoka@...> wrote:

Whistling past the graveyard (literally).  Any hobby with an average age of 68 is in trouble and with models of freight cars costing $40-$50 a pop there is no pulling in teenagers or young adults.
 
Dave Nelson
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2021 8:47 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] AP article on model railroading today...
 
A positive message from a Southern California railroad hobby shop owner:
And a story about Walthers:
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: End stiles

Dave Parker
 

I don't remember Craig's fix, but here's mine.  Take a Yarmouth ladder stile with 16" spacing, and separate it into its two component strips.  Three or flour trips through the PE bending tool will do this.  Trim the ends just a tad as needed.  Now you have that flat bar with the correct holes for the inside stile.

It's a little fiddly getting it attached, but I used some grabs to help get the horizontal spacing.  Where a hole landed right on the crest of a rib, I drilled through into the end for extra security.  Where a hole fell over a "valley", I simply trimmed the leg of the grab short, and only cemented it to the stile.  All the grabs were installed after the flat stile was secure, but there are probably other ways to sequence it.

BTW, those are scale (0.008") grabs on my ladder.  They will work with Pierre's ladders, but some adjustments may be needed if you are used to 0.0125".

--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA


Re: AP article on model railroading today...

mel perry
 

RIGHT ON, tell it like it is, between the
passing of the present generation and
the increasing prices, only the rich and
the millennials will be able to afford this
"hobby", but i forget, this hobby was
"created" to make money, how ironic
;-(


On Sun, Feb 7, 2021, 1:44 PM Dave Nelson <Lake_Muskoka@...> wrote:

Whistling past the graveyard (literally).  Any hobby with an average age of 68 is in trouble and with models of freight cars costing $40-$50 a pop there is no pulling in teenagers or young adults.

 

Dave Nelson

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2021 8:47 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] AP article on model railroading today...

 

A positive message from a Southern California railroad hobby shop owner:

https://groups.io/g/ModelRailroadsofSoCalif/message/16456?p=,,,20,0,0,0::Created,,railMaster,20,2,0,80172809

And a story about Walthers:

https://groups.io/g/ModelRailroadsofSoCalif/message/16443?p=,,,20,0,0,0::Created,,walthers,20,2,0,80172809

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: AP article on model railroading today...

Scott Kremer
 

Get them involved in operations, which requires little to nothing, and you have a reasonable chance that they will come back to the hobby later in life.  Get the ones who are involved in making plastic models to realize there is a lot of opportunity to make great models in model railroading and they too will stay involved.

Scott Kremer

On Feb 7, 2021, at 4:43 PM, Dave Nelson <Lake_Muskoka@...> wrote:

Whistling past the graveyard (literally).  Any hobby with an average age of 68 is in trouble and with models of freight cars costing $40-$50 a pop there is no pulling in teenagers or young adults.
 
Dave Nelson
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2021 8:47 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] AP article on model railroading today...
 
A positive message from a Southern California railroad hobby shop owner:
And a story about Walthers:
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA



Re: AP article on model railroading today...

Dave Nelson
 

Whistling past the graveyard (literally).  Any hobby with an average age of 68 is in trouble and with models of freight cars costing $40-$50 a pop there is no pulling in teenagers or young adults.

 

Dave Nelson

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2021 8:47 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] AP article on model railroading today...

 

A positive message from a Southern California railroad hobby shop owner:

https://groups.io/g/ModelRailroadsofSoCalif/message/16456?p=,,,20,0,0,0::Created,,railMaster,20,2,0,80172809

And a story about Walthers:

https://groups.io/g/ModelRailroadsofSoCalif/message/16443?p=,,,20,0,0,0::Created,,walthers,20,2,0,80172809

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Photo: N&W Livestock Car 33000

Jeff Coleman
 

The SK class were built from the BK USRA SS boxcars. 

Jeff Coleman

On Sun, Feb 7, 2021, 3:20 PM Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io <schuyler.larrabee=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Note that when you click on the image for a larger view, the proportions of the car are different.  Longer, less tall.  The original image (I assume) is distorted.

 

BTW, can anyone make out the BLT date?  I read the servicing date as 5-53, is that right?

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2021 12:33 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: N&W Livestock Car 33000

 

Photo: N&W Livestock Car 33000

A photo from the Virginia Tech Universities Library:

https://imagebase.lib.vt.edu/image_viewer.php?q=NS2780

Click on the photo to enlarge it. Cars were forty-two feet long.

Part of series 33000-33249

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Photo: N&W Livestock Car 33000

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 


Hi Schuyler,
 
Frankly, my eyes do not see any change in image proportions.
 
Furthermore, on my browser (Firefox), the image info is as follows:
 
Full size image width 800px, height 579px, ratio of width to height is 1.382
 
Origional (smaller) image width 500px, height 362px, ratio of width to height is 1.381
 
Since the ratio of width to height is virtually unchanged between the two viewing options, this supports the notion that there is no distortion
 
Claus Schlund
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2021 3:20 PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: N&W Livestock Car 33000

Note that when you click on the image for a larger view, the proportions of the car are different.  Longer, less tall.  The original image (I assume) is distorted.

 

BTW, can anyone make out the BLT date?  I read the servicing date as 5-53, is that right?

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2021 12:33 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: N&W Livestock Car 33000

 

Photo: N&W Livestock Car 33000

A photo from the Virginia Tech Universities Library:

https://imagebase.lib.vt.edu/image_viewer.php?q=NS2780

Click on the photo to enlarge it. Cars were forty-two feet long.

Part of series 33000-33249

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

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