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Re: How would the carbon black product have been shipped prior...

Tim O'Connor
 


Carbon black was produced in large quantities in TX-OK-NM area served by the ATSF
from natural gas feedstock. Distances for commodities is almost meaningless - it's just about
the delivered cost. :-)


On 2/5/2021 6:58 PM, Claus Schlund \(HGM\) wrote:
Hi Rick,
 
Thanks Rick for the info. Wow, delivered to New Jersey in ATSF boxcars - I wonder where the cars were loaded? If loaded on the ATSF, that seems like a long distance to haul carbon black...
 
Claus Schlund
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2021 6:14 PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] How would the carbon black product have been shipped prior...

Claus,

In the mid seventies, a plant in Monmouth, NJ received Carbon Black, in bags delivered in ATSF Fe-27, and Fe-28 50' boxcars.  

Rick Dietrichson


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: DuPont tank car DUPX 254 - October 1944

Tim O'Connor
 


Nearly the same size and type of cars (#254 and #3257) - SHPX had a huge number
(many hundreds) of these cars

Note the built date on the prototype (#3257) is 1948. The Atlas car seems like a
reasonable facsimile of the real one, and the model number is valid and evidently so
is the paint & lettering.


On 2/5/2021 6:05 PM, Dave Parker via groups.io wrote:
On Thu, Feb 4, 2021 at 02:40 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:
Why hasn't ATLAS done their car in this paint scheme? (Or have they?)
They have, but it looks like an imperfect match:

http://archive.atlasrr.com/Images/HOFreightCars/ho11ktankers/0913/20002647_TQ.jpg
 
--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Pullman Standard Door comparisons

Tim O'Connor
 


Makes you wonder huh? I mean Kadee is usually -so- meticulous in their tooling but they
have made their exaggerated PS-1 doors over and over again. Sad.

:-\

On 2/5/2021 2:52 PM, Andy Carlson wrote:
2 Pullman standard doors in HO and one prototype photo.



Kadee door from about 10 years ago   Prototype PS-1 door                           Kurtz Kraft door (early 60s)

-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


On Friday, February 5, 2021, 10:57:11 AM PST, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:


Photos: The Doors

Not Jim Morrison and his group, but Pullman Standard doors from the Pullman Library:

https://pullman-lib.smugmug.com/P-S-Doors/

Unfortunately, there are no captions for the photos other than some vague "Photo Details" and "Camera Information" from an icon on the left of each photo.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Attachments:



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Box Car Pbotos

Scott
 

Bill, it was in the resin building group.

Scott McDonald 


Re: How would the carbon black product have been shipped prior...

mopacfirst
 

There was a big Cabot plant just west of Pampa, Texas, served by Santa Fe.  Probably other carbon black plants nearby, since there was plenty of gas. 

One other plant that used natural gas as a feedstock was a big Celanese plant, also just west of Pampa but on the opposite side of the main line from Cabot.  One of its main products was acetic acid.  Although this plant was started in 1952 on natural gas, in the late 70s it added a coal-fired power plant which took unit coal trains inbound.  That had the benefit of freeing more natural gas for feedstock.

There was quite a bit of traffic in Celanese tank cars to and from this plant and the other Celanese plants in the Houston area (Bayport and Clear Lake) served by SP, and in south Texas, at Bishop, served by the MoPac.

Ron Merrick


Re: How would the carbon black product have been shipped prior...

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 


Hi Rick,
 
Thanks Rick for the info. Wow, delivered to New Jersey in ATSF boxcars - I wonder where the cars were loaded? If loaded on the ATSF, that seems like a long distance to haul carbon black...
 
Claus Schlund
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2021 6:14 PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] How would the carbon black product have been shipped prior...

Claus,

In the mid seventies, a plant in Monmouth, NJ received Carbon Black, in bags delivered in ATSF Fe-27, and Fe-28 50' boxcars.  

Rick Dietrichson

-----------------------------------------

From: "Claus Schlund \(HGM\)"
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Cc:
Sent: Friday February 5 2021 5:43:46PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] How would the carbon black product have been shipped prior...

Thanks Garth!
 
Claus Schlund
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2021 4:51 PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] How would the carbon black product have been shipped prior...

Claus,

Before there were the steel covered hoppers we know and love, bulk granular and powdered materials were sometimes shipped in LT (with loading equipment) and LTA (without loading equipment) "tank cars". These looked pretty much like a conventional multi-compartment tank car, except the domes had some sort of small loading doors/hatches in the top, and there were usually two loading gates for each compartment at the tank bottom. The 1919 CBC has a photo on page 181 of CYX 102, built for American Cyanamid Company. A year or so ago we discussed UTLX 81014, a similar three-dome car converted from a conventional frameless tank car. 

Whether such cars were actually used for carbon black, I can't say for sure, but it does seem possible. This would probably take some research with ORERs, and a knowledge of what companies produced carbon black. I only have a complete 1958 ORER, and found no such cars under Cabot or Columbian Carbon, just 46' LO cars like the F&C model. There still were 100 LT and LTA cars operated by Barret, and 37 in the General American lease fleet, but I don't know that these cars carried. There might be more buried among the small operators, but our Chinese take-out has just arrived.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Fri, Feb 5, 2021 at 1:02 PM Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) <claus@...> wrote:
Hi Eric and List Members,
 
Thanks Eric for the interesting links.
 
How would the carbon black product have been shipped prior to the use of dedicated carbon black hoppers? Bags or barrels in boxcars? Other method?
 
Claus Schlund
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Eric Hansmann
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2021 10:27 AM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] questions regarding ACF Carbon Black Hopper---Rail Shop

IIRC, some of the earliest carbon black production was done in W. Va. Here’s a story on an early operation.

http://www.hurherald.com/cgi-bin/db_scripts/articles?Action=user_view&db=hurheral_articles&id=42822

 

And news of Cabot closing their Waverly, W. Va., operation in 2008.
https://investor.cabot-corp.com/news-releases/news-release-details/cabot-corporation-close-west-virginia-carbon-black-plant

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of O Fenton Wells
Sent: Friday, February 5, 2021 8:50 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] questions regarding ACF Carbon Black Hopper---Rail Shop

 

Years ago, early 198-'s I was a salesman for Honeywell.  I had OH, western KY and WV for my territory.  I always carried a camera, even though I never learned to take good photos, because of all the railroads in OH and WV.  Saw many carbon black hoppers in WV.If I can find my photos I'll send what I have

Fenton.  Maybe too late for your lettering help but who knows.

 

On Fri, Feb 5, 2021 at 9:28 AM Chuck Cover <chuck.cover@...> wrote:

Thanks for the kind words Fenton.  I model the PRR’s Shamokin Branch in central PA in 1955.  This area was the last stand for PRR steam.  My layout can be viewed at:  www.chuck-cover.net

 

Chuck Cover

Santa Fe, NM


 

--

Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd

Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...


Re: How would the carbon black product have been shipped prior...

rdietrichson
 

Claus,

In the mid seventies, a plant in Monmouth, NJ received Carbon Black, in bags delivered in ATSF Fe-27, and Fe-28 50' boxcars.  

Rick Dietrichson

-----------------------------------------

From: "Claus Schlund \(HGM\)"
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Cc:
Sent: Friday February 5 2021 5:43:46PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] How would the carbon black product have been shipped prior...

Thanks Garth!
 
Claus Schlund
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2021 4:51 PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] How would the carbon black product have been shipped prior...

Claus,

Before there were the steel covered hoppers we know and love, bulk granular and powdered materials were sometimes shipped in LT (with loading equipment) and LTA (without loading equipment) "tank cars". These looked pretty much like a conventional multi-compartment tank car, except the domes had some sort of small loading doors/hatches in the top, and there were usually two loading gates for each compartment at the tank bottom. The 1919 CBC has a photo on page 181 of CYX 102, built for American Cyanamid Company. A year or so ago we discussed UTLX 81014, a similar three-dome car converted from a conventional frameless tank car. 

Whether such cars were actually used for carbon black, I can't say for sure, but it does seem possible. This would probably take some research with ORERs, and a knowledge of what companies produced carbon black. I only have a complete 1958 ORER, and found no such cars under Cabot or Columbian Carbon, just 46' LO cars like the F&C model. There still were 100 LT and LTA cars operated by Barret, and 37 in the General American lease fleet, but I don't know that these cars carried. There might be more buried among the small operators, but our Chinese take-out has just arrived.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Fri, Feb 5, 2021 at 1:02 PM Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) <claus@...> wrote:
Hi Eric and List Members,
 
Thanks Eric for the interesting links.
 
How would the carbon black product have been shipped prior to the use of dedicated carbon black hoppers? Bags or barrels in boxcars? Other method?
 
Claus Schlund
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Eric Hansmann
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2021 10:27 AM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] questions regarding ACF Carbon Black Hopper---Rail Shop

IIRC, some of the earliest carbon black production was done in W. Va. Here’s a story on an early operation.

http://www.hurherald.com/cgi-bin/db_scripts/articles?Action=user_view&db=hurheral_articles&id=42822

 

And news of Cabot closing their Waverly, W. Va., operation in 2008.
https://investor.cabot-corp.com/news-releases/news-release-details/cabot-corporation-close-west-virginia-carbon-black-plant

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of O Fenton Wells
Sent: Friday, February 5, 2021 8:50 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] questions regarding ACF Carbon Black Hopper---Rail Shop

 

Years ago, early 198-'s I was a salesman for Honeywell.  I had OH, western KY and WV for my territory.  I always carried a camera, even though I never learned to take good photos, because of all the railroads in OH and WV.  Saw many carbon black hoppers in WV.If I can find my photos I'll send what I have

Fenton.  Maybe too late for your lettering help but who knows.

 

On Fri, Feb 5, 2021 at 9:28 AM Chuck Cover <chuck.cover@...> wrote:

Thanks for the kind words Fenton.  I model the PRR’s Shamokin Branch in central PA in 1955.  This area was the last stand for PRR steam.  My layout can be viewed at:  www.chuck-cover.net

 

Chuck Cover

Santa Fe, NM


 

--

Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd

Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...


Re: DuPont tank car DUPX 254 - October 1944

Dave Parker
 

On Thu, Feb 4, 2021 at 02:40 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:
Why hasn't ATLAS done their car in this paint scheme? (Or have they?)
They have, but it looks like an imperfect match:

http://archive.atlasrr.com/Images/HOFreightCars/ho11ktankers/0913/20002647_TQ.jpg
 
--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA


Re: How would the carbon black product have been shipped prior...

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 


Thanks Garth!
 
Claus Schlund
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2021 4:51 PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] How would the carbon black product have been shipped prior...

Claus,

Before there were the steel covered hoppers we know and love, bulk granular and powdered materials were sometimes shipped in LT (with loading equipment) and LTA (without loading equipment) "tank cars". These looked pretty much like a conventional multi-compartment tank car, except the domes had some sort of small loading doors/hatches in the top, and there were usually two loading gates for each compartment at the tank bottom. The 1919 CBC has a photo on page 181 of CYX 102, built for American Cyanamid Company. A year or so ago we discussed UTLX 81014, a similar three-dome car converted from a conventional frameless tank car. 

Whether such cars were actually used for carbon black, I can't say for sure, but it does seem possible. This would probably take some research with ORERs, and a knowledge of what companies produced carbon black. I only have a complete 1958 ORER, and found no such cars under Cabot or Columbian Carbon, just 46' LO cars like the F&C model. There still were 100 LT and LTA cars operated by Barret, and 37 in the General American lease fleet, but I don't know that these cars carried. There might be more buried among the small operators, but our Chinese take-out has just arrived.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Fri, Feb 5, 2021 at 1:02 PM Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) <claus@...> wrote:
Hi Eric and List Members,
 
Thanks Eric for the interesting links.
 
How would the carbon black product have been shipped prior to the use of dedicated carbon black hoppers? Bags or barrels in boxcars? Other method?
 
Claus Schlund
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2021 10:27 AM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] questions regarding ACF Carbon Black Hopper---Rail Shop

IIRC, some of the earliest carbon black production was done in W. Va. Here’s a story on an early operation.

http://www.hurherald.com/cgi-bin/db_scripts/articles?Action=user_view&db=hurheral_articles&id=42822

 

And news of Cabot closing their Waverly, W. Va., operation in 2008.
https://investor.cabot-corp.com/news-releases/news-release-details/cabot-corporation-close-west-virginia-carbon-black-plant

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of O Fenton Wells
Sent: Friday, February 5, 2021 8:50 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] questions regarding ACF Carbon Black Hopper---Rail Shop

 

Years ago, early 198-'s I was a salesman for Honeywell.  I had OH, western KY and WV for my territory.  I always carried a camera, even though I never learned to take good photos, because of all the railroads in OH and WV.  Saw many carbon black hoppers in WV.If I can find my photos I'll send what I have

Fenton.  Maybe too late for your lettering help but who knows.

 

On Fri, Feb 5, 2021 at 9:28 AM Chuck Cover <chuck.cover@...> wrote:

Thanks for the kind words Fenton.  I model the PRR’s Shamokin Branch in central PA in 1955.  This area was the last stand for PRR steam.  My layout can be viewed at:  www.chuck-cover.net

 

Chuck Cover

Santa Fe, NM


 

--

Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd

Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...


Re: How would the carbon black product have been shipped prior...

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

Claus,

Before there were the steel covered hoppers we know and love, bulk granular and powdered materials were sometimes shipped in LT (with loading equipment) and LTA (without loading equipment) "tank cars". These looked pretty much like a conventional multi-compartment tank car, except the domes had some sort of small loading doors/hatches in the top, and there were usually two loading gates for each compartment at the tank bottom. The 1919 CBC has a photo on page 181 of CYX 102, built for American Cyanamid Company. A year or so ago we discussed UTLX 81014, a similar three-dome car converted from a conventional frameless tank car. 

Whether such cars were actually used for carbon black, I can't say for sure, but it does seem possible. This would probably take some research with ORERs, and a knowledge of what companies produced carbon black. I only have a complete 1958 ORER, and found no such cars under Cabot or Columbian Carbon, just 46' LO cars like the F&C model. There still were 100 LT and LTA cars operated by Barret, and 37 in the General American lease fleet, but I don't know that these cars carried. There might be more buried among the small operators, but our Chinese take-out has just arrived.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Fri, Feb 5, 2021 at 1:02 PM Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) <claus@...> wrote:
Hi Eric and List Members,
 
Thanks Eric for the interesting links.
 
How would the carbon black product have been shipped prior to the use of dedicated carbon black hoppers? Bags or barrels in boxcars? Other method?
 
Claus Schlund
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2021 10:27 AM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] questions regarding ACF Carbon Black Hopper---Rail Shop

IIRC, some of the earliest carbon black production was done in W. Va. Here’s a story on an early operation.

http://www.hurherald.com/cgi-bin/db_scripts/articles?Action=user_view&db=hurheral_articles&id=42822

 

And news of Cabot closing their Waverly, W. Va., operation in 2008.
https://investor.cabot-corp.com/news-releases/news-release-details/cabot-corporation-close-west-virginia-carbon-black-plant

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of O Fenton Wells
Sent: Friday, February 5, 2021 8:50 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] questions regarding ACF Carbon Black Hopper---Rail Shop

 

Years ago, early 198-'s I was a salesman for Honeywell.  I had OH, western KY and WV for my territory.  I always carried a camera, even though I never learned to take good photos, because of all the railroads in OH and WV.  Saw many carbon black hoppers in WV.If I can find my photos I'll send what I have

Fenton.  Maybe too late for your lettering help but who knows.

 

On Fri, Feb 5, 2021 at 9:28 AM Chuck Cover <chuck.cover@...> wrote:

Thanks for the kind words Fenton.  I model the PRR’s Shamokin Branch in central PA in 1955.  This area was the last stand for PRR steam.  My layout can be viewed at:  www.chuck-cover.net

 

Chuck Cover

Santa Fe, NM


 

--

Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd

Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...


Re: Tool Improvement

Daniel A. Mitchell
 

UMM-USA also offers the ST-150mm bender that incorporates most of the improvements you suggest … a spring-loaded jaw and knurled knobs. It also features a number of different-width and odd shaped bending jaws on the opposite face of the reversible main bending jaw.

Dan Mitchell
=========

On Feb 5, 2021, at 11:08 AM, Lester Breuer <rforailroad@...> wrote:

A tool purchased to help improve our freight car modeling works well; however, someone makes an improvement to it to make it work even better or easier to use.  The UMM-USA bender used to bend photo etched ladder stiles is one such tool I purchased.  If you are interested in seeing an easy to make improvement to the UMM-USA bender to make it easier to use, photos and writeup are now available on my blog I have to share photos and writeup of modeling projects on my Minneapolis & Northland Railroad Company.   If you would like to take a look please do at the following link:

 

http://mnrailroadcab100.blogspot.com/

 

Lester Breuer



Re: FS - Last Four Resin Kits in my HO scale kits box

Ross Dando
 

Thank you, all kits have found new homes.


Re: questions regarding ACF Carbon Black Hopper---Rail Shop

Allen Cain
 

As a teen in the early 1970's to earn money for college, I worked in the Kelly Springfield tire plant in Fayetteville, NC.  My job was running a Banbury which is where the various types of rubber are compounded and mixed with carbon black.  On occasion, there would be a blow back from the loading hopper spewing a cloud of carbon black back onto the operator, me.  Mixed with sweat, it coated your body with a greasy black coating.  The only way to get it off of your skin was to shower using dishwashing detergent and even that left some, particularly around your eyes (PPE was unheard of even then).

The company sponsored an open house for employees' families one day.  My mother and father walked right up to me and did not recognize me thinking that I was a Black American (forgive me if this is not the PC term these days, back then the correct term was Afro American and I am not trying to start anything).  And FYI, I am Caucasian.

Probably still have some in my lungs!

Allen Cain


Re: Congratulations to Clark

Jeffrey White
 

The post office finally got around to delivering my copy today.  I look forward to reading the article tonight.

Jeff White

Alma IL

On 2/5/2021 10:11 AM, Clark Propst wrote:
Thanks, I sent them a few more photos than printed. This one is my favorite, probably wasn't used because it featured a box car instead of an engine?
Clark Propst


Pullman Standard Door comparisons

Andy Carlson
 

2 Pullman standard doors in HO and one prototype photo.

Inline image

Kadee door from about 10 years ago   Prototype PS-1 door                           Kurtz Kraft door (early 60s)

-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


On Friday, February 5, 2021, 10:57:11 AM PST, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:


Photos: The Doors

Not Jim Morrison and his group, but Pullman Standard doors from the Pullman Library:

https://pullman-lib.smugmug.com/P-S-Doors/

Unfortunately, there are no captions for the photos other than some vague "Photo Details" and "Camera Information" from an icon on the left of each photo.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photos: The Doors

Bob Chaparro
 

Photos: The Doors

Not Jim Morrison and his group, but Pullman Standard doors from the Pullman Library:

https://pullman-lib.smugmug.com/P-S-Doors/

Unfortunately, there are no captions for the photos other than some vague "Photo Details" and "Camera Information" from an icon on the left of each photo.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Pacific Electric

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Thanks for the images that should settle this debate, interesting as it has been.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of radiodial868
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2021 10:57 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Pacific Electric

 

Here's some present day photo's of the linkage from a -14 at OERM with AB brakes. The original K Brakes were attached in the same location as the present brake cylinder.
--
-------------------
RJ Dial

Mendocino, CA


Pacific Electric Agricultural Traffic - 1937

Bob Chaparro
 

Pacific Electric Agricultural Traffic - 1937

An old post on the PE group from Allen Copeland.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

++++

PE Hauls

Several months ago, while working in the OERM Library with John Smatlak, we found an interesting 1939 Survey of the PE made by the California Railroad Commission. Part IX covered freight traffic, and in there was a table showing the kinds of products that were hauled by the PE in 1937.  Unfortunately, this did not show where the products were hauled from or to. 

I have only listed the products of agriculture.

 

Commodity                         Cars      Tons

Oranges & Grape Fruit          125        2,021

Oranges                              3,911     70,502

Lemons & Citrus Fruit            286       5,329

Lemons                               2,294     39,036

Apples                                       3             45

Bananas                             3,595      37,626

Grapes                                     42          693

Watermelons                             5           181

Potatoes                                  78        1,318

Cabbage                                    1            14

Onions                                       2            30

Tomatoes                                  3           151

Fresh Vegetables                  195        5,370

Cauliflower                               90       1,005

Fresh Celery                          644       7,167

Fresh Lettuce                            2            21

Beans                                    197       6,107

Dried Fruit                                 2            52

Dry Vegetables                       48          808

Veg. Oil Cake, etc.                  11          457

Peanuts                                    9          159

Agric. Products                       69       1,718

Agric. Products-Beet Pulp        3            66

Agric. Products-Coffee           36          980

Agric. Products-Fruit Juices   85       2,727

Agric. Products-Malt                2            58

Agric. Products-Toa               17          288

Agric. Products-Walnuts        34          641

Horses & Mules                       8            89

Cattle                                     32          390

Sheep                                      2            20

Cured Meat                              2            40

Butterine                                24          494

Packing House Prod.               6          133

Dressed Poultry                       1            12

Cheese                                   11          197

Wool                                         6            77

Green Hides                             1           15

Fish Oil                                   68       2,098

Animal Products                     83       2,616


How would the carbon black product have been shipped prior...

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 


Hi Eric and List Members,
 
Thanks Eric for the interesting links.
 
How would the carbon black product have been shipped prior to the use of dedicated carbon black hoppers? Bags or barrels in boxcars? Other method?
 
Claus Schlund
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2021 10:27 AM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] questions regarding ACF Carbon Black Hopper---Rail Shop

IIRC, some of the earliest carbon black production was done in W. Va. Here’s a story on an early operation.

http://www.hurherald.com/cgi-bin/db_scripts/articles?Action=user_view&db=hurheral_articles&id=42822

 

And news of Cabot closing their Waverly, W. Va., operation in 2008.
https://investor.cabot-corp.com/news-releases/news-release-details/cabot-corporation-close-west-virginia-carbon-black-plant

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of O Fenton Wells
Sent: Friday, February 5, 2021 8:50 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] questions regarding ACF Carbon Black Hopper---Rail Shop

 

Years ago, early 198-'s I was a salesman for Honeywell.  I had OH, western KY and WV for my territory.  I always carried a camera, even though I never learned to take good photos, because of all the railroads in OH and WV.  Saw many carbon black hoppers in WV.If I can find my photos I'll send what I have

Fenton.  Maybe too late for your lettering help but who knows.

 

On Fri, Feb 5, 2021 at 9:28 AM Chuck Cover <chuck.cover@...> wrote:

Thanks for the kind words Fenton.  I model the PRR’s Shamokin Branch in central PA in 1955.  This area was the last stand for PRR steam.  My layout can be viewed at:  www.chuck-cover.net

 

Chuck Cover

Santa Fe, NM


 

--

Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd

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Re: Fw: RP Cyc 31/32

Armand Premo
 



On Fri, Feb 5, 2021 at 12:19 PM Ted Schnepf <railsunl@...> wrote:
Hello Everyone,

Was searching the book boxes and found one copy of R P Cyc 31/32 all about lightweight house cars. Now is the time to grab this missing copy. I only have one left. I believe #35 is also available if still needed.

Rails Unlimited
Ted Schnepf
126 Will Scarlet,
Elgin, Ill. 60120


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