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There's the OMI Wabash steel dd car...eh NOT

Fred Jansz
 

Received my OMI 'Wabash' steel dd boxcar today...NOT.
This 'wooden' ss beauty was in the box.
It reminds me of something, but not a steel Wabash dd car.
Any idea what it might be?
regards
Fred Jansz

Re: Boxcar With Roof Hatches

Armand Premo
 

Can we also add those with hopper bottoms.Armand Premo

On Thu, Oct 31, 2019 at 6:57 AM Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:
B&O converted some of their USRA single-sheathed boxcars with roof hatches in the late 1920s.


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On October 30, 2019 at 8:16 PM Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

Bob

A quick scan of the hard drive shows ACL, ATSF, BAR, BN, CN, CG, CP, D&H, DTI, EL, GN,
HS, LV, MILW, MONON, MP, N&W, NS, OAR, PC, PRR, RI, SAL, SCL, SOU, TH&B, UP, and WABASH
all had box cars with roof hatches.

And that's not a complete list. Tony mentioned the SP, too.

Tim



On 10/30/2019 5:51 PM, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io wrote:

Boxcar With Roof Hatches

I've seen a few photos of boxcars with roof hatches for loading such commodities as aluminum dross, cement, various clays, lime and spent grain.

All of the photos I've seen are associated with shippers in the Southeast and Midwest.

Would such boxcars have served shippers in the Southwest to any degree?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

 

Re: RPM Chicagoland summary

Lester Breuer
 

Thank You Eric for your time and effort to take and create the 120 photo gallery.  Well done.
Lester Breuer

Chicagoland RPM Handouts

gtws00
 

Mike Skibbe provided a link to the 2019 Chicagland RPM Handouts


Thanks to Mike and his crew for an excellent event

George Toman

Re: OPEN LOAD TIE DOWNS

Todd Horton
 

The CG cars didn’t get roof hatches till after the 1963 takeover by Southern, well past the era of this group’s time era.   


On Oct 30, 2019, at 10:40 PM, WILLIAM PARDIE <pardiew001@...> wrote:



In a discussion last week magnet wire was mentioned as a good candidate for tie downs on open loads  Does anyone have a source for small quantities for this item?  The spools that I see would last till the next milainium.

Bill Pardie


Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

-------- Original message --------
From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...>
Date: 10/30/19 7:16 PM (GMT-08:00)
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Boxcar With Roof Hatches

Bob

A quick scan of the hard drive shows ACL, ATSF, BAR, BN, CN, CG, CP, D&H, DTI, EL, GN,
HS, LV, MILW, MONON, MP, N&W, NS, OAR, PC, PRR, RI, SAL, SCL, SOU, TH&B, UP, and WABASH
all had box cars with roof hatches.

And that's not a complete list. Tony mentioned the SP, too.

Tim



On 10/30/2019 5:51 PM, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io wrote:

Boxcar With Roof Hatches

I've seen a few photos of boxcars with roof hatches for loading such commodities as aluminum dross, cement, various clays, lime and spent grain.

All of the photos I've seen are associated with shippers in the Southeast and Midwest.

Would such boxcars have served shippers in the Southwest to any degree?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Boxcar With Roof Hatches

Eric Hansmann
 

B&O converted some of their USRA single-sheathed boxcars with roof hatches in the late 1920s.


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On October 30, 2019 at 8:16 PM Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

Bob

A quick scan of the hard drive shows ACL, ATSF, BAR, BN, CN, CG, CP, D&H, DTI, EL, GN,
HS, LV, MILW, MONON, MP, N&W, NS, OAR, PC, PRR, RI, SAL, SCL, SOU, TH&B, UP, and WABASH
all had box cars with roof hatches.

And that's not a complete list. Tony mentioned the SP, too.

Tim



On 10/30/2019 5:51 PM, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io wrote:

Boxcar With Roof Hatches

I've seen a few photos of boxcars with roof hatches for loading such commodities as aluminum dross, cement, various clays, lime and spent grain.

All of the photos I've seen are associated with shippers in the Southeast and Midwest.

Would such boxcars have served shippers in the Southwest to any degree?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

 

Re: Boxcar With Roof Hatches

Donald B. Valentine
 

And the Central Vermont can be added to that list as well for a very small number of 40 ft. boxcars that had
roof hatches added for grain shipment.

Cordially, Don Valentine

Re: Wabash auto boxcar

Fred Jansz
 

Thanks for the hint Eric.
Not exactly the same car, but will do fine I suppose.
best regards,
Fred Jansz

Re: Boxcar With Roof Hatches

Fred Jansz
 
Edited

And Fred adds to that the WP 26001-26125 series of cars, with either 2 or 4 roof hatches. Ran from US Gypsum plant's exchange in Gerlach NV to San Fransisco. So not to the Southeast I'm afraid. (© Picture N.Holmes)
best regards,
Fred Jansz

Re: OPEN LOAD TIE DOWNS

Charles Peck
 

Sources of magnet wire in small quantities include:
Motors with the magic smoke escaped.
That switch machine that just quit working.
Any kind of electric coil at the bottom of your junk box.
Most of these are available at LOW cost.
Chuck Peck


On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 10:40 PM WILLIAM PARDIE <PARDIEW001@...> wrote:

In a discussion last week magnet wire was mentioned as a good candidate for tie downs on open loads  Does anyone have a source for small quantities for this item?  The spools that I see would last till the next milainium.

Bill Pardie


Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

-------- Original message --------
From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...>
Date: 10/30/19 7:16 PM (GMT-08:00)
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Boxcar With Roof Hatches

Bob

A quick scan of the hard drive shows ACL, ATSF, BAR, BN, CN, CG, CP, D&H, DTI, EL, GN,
HS, LV, MILW, MONON, MP, N&W, NS, OAR, PC, PRR, RI, SAL, SCL, SOU, TH&B, UP, and WABASH
all had box cars with roof hatches.

And that's not a complete list. Tony mentioned the SP, too.

Tim



On 10/30/2019 5:51 PM, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io wrote:

Boxcar With Roof Hatches

I've seen a few photos of boxcars with roof hatches for loading such commodities as aluminum dross, cement, various clays, lime and spent grain.

All of the photos I've seen are associated with shippers in the Southeast and Midwest.

Would such boxcars have served shippers in the Southwest to any degree?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


OPEN LOAD TIE DOWNS

WILLIAM PARDIE
 


In a discussion last week magnet wire was mentioned as a good candidate for tie downs on open loads  Does anyone have a source for small quantities for this item?  The spools that I see would last till the next milainium.

Bill Pardie


Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

-------- Original message --------
From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...>
Date: 10/30/19 7:16 PM (GMT-08:00)
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Boxcar With Roof Hatches

Bob

A quick scan of the hard drive shows ACL, ATSF, BAR, BN, CN, CG, CP, D&H, DTI, EL, GN,
HS, LV, MILW, MONON, MP, N&W, NS, OAR, PC, PRR, RI, SAL, SCL, SOU, TH&B, UP, and WABASH
all had box cars with roof hatches.

And that's not a complete list. Tony mentioned the SP, too.

Tim



On 10/30/2019 5:51 PM, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io wrote:

Boxcar With Roof Hatches

I've seen a few photos of boxcars with roof hatches for loading such commodities as aluminum dross, cement, various clays, lime and spent grain.

All of the photos I've seen are associated with shippers in the Southeast and Midwest.

Would such boxcars have served shippers in the Southwest to any degree?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Boxcar With Roof Hatches

Tim O'Connor
 

Bob

A quick scan of the hard drive shows ACL, ATSF, BAR, BN, CN, CG, CP, D&H, DTI, EL, GN,
HS, LV, MILW, MONON, MP, N&W, NS, OAR, PC, PRR, RI, SAL, SCL, SOU, TH&B, UP, and WABASH
all had box cars with roof hatches.

And that's not a complete list. Tony mentioned the SP, too.

Tim



On 10/30/2019 5:51 PM, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io wrote:

Boxcar With Roof Hatches

I've seen a few photos of boxcars with roof hatches for loading such commodities as aluminum dross, cement, various clays, lime and spent grain.

All of the photos I've seen are associated with shippers in the Southeast and Midwest.

Would such boxcars have served shippers in the Southwest to any degree?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

Re: Wabash auto boxcar

Eric Hansmann
 

BTW, Allen found some sets at Black Cat. The website is now updated for these HO scale decals.

https://www.blackcatdecals.com/product/wab48507-wabash-single-sheath-auto-car/

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Eric Hansmann
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2019 12:02 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Wabash auto boxcar

 

I talked with Al Ferguson of Black Cat at the RPM. He can run the decal again if he gets some requests. Send him an email through the contacts on the Black Cat website. 

  

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN


On Oct 28, 2019, at 9:56 AM, Rob M. via Groups.Io <rule292@...> wrote:

Ted Schnepf of Rails Unlimited offers the Wabash car in O scale resin.  You might contact him and see if his decal source can downscale and print you a set in HO.  

Rob Mondichak 

Re: Boxcar With Roof Hatches

Tony Thompson
 

SP had such box cars for cement.
Tony Thompson 


On Oct 30, 2019, at 2:51 PM, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:



Boxcar With Roof Hatches

I've seen a few photos of boxcars with roof hatches for loading such commodities as aluminum dross, cement, various clays, lime and spent grain.

All of the photos I've seen are associated with shippers in the Southeast and Midwest.

Would such boxcars have served shippers in the Southwest to any degree?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Boxcar With Roof Hatches

Bob Chaparro
 

Boxcar With Roof Hatches

I've seen a few photos of boxcars with roof hatches for loading such commodities as aluminum dross, cement, various clays, lime and spent grain.

All of the photos I've seen are associated with shippers in the Southeast and Midwest.

Would such boxcars have served shippers in the Southwest to any degree?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Re: Swift paint scheme

Bruce Smith
 

Dennis, Folks,

I’ve definitely seen orthochromatic photos in the early WWII era. On particular example I can recall discussing here many years ago was a string of UTLX tank cars on a WWII B&O oil train that appeared to be undecorated as the yellow lettering was interpreted by the film to the be the same as the black body paint.

Regards

Bruce


Bruce F. Smith            

Auburn, AL

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."




On Oct 30, 2019, at 4:47 PM, Dennis Storzek <destorzek@...> wrote:

On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 02:14 PM, Douglas Harding wrote:
But I struggle with that being the explanation for the photo in question of 12624, which has very visible white lettering on the sides and ends. Nor does it explain the 1952 photo from Pittsburgh that shows what appears to be a red car with white lettering coupled to a yellow car with black lettering.
 
I agree the dark car in the 1952 photo is likely an early version of the bright red scheme, using the old style lettering and lacking the white fascia of the later cars. What it doesn't have is any indication of black lettering on the car sides, which the 12624 has. I'm still convinced that is a yellow car and the film is fooling us. I wonder when orthchromatic film was last used? I have several examples of images of cars built in the mid twenties that exhibit the color shift unique to that film. It apparently continued in use for large format industrial photography after the introduction of panchromatic film because it was prized for its fine grain and good contrast. As to availability, it's likely still available is anyone is still supplying film for photostat copy cameras.

Dennis Storzek

Re: Swift paint scheme

Dennis Storzek
 

On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 02:14 PM, Douglas Harding wrote:

But I struggle with that being the explanation for the photo in question of 12624, which has very visible white lettering on the sides and ends. Nor does it explain the 1952 photo from Pittsburgh that shows what appears to be a red car with white lettering coupled to a yellow car with black lettering.

 

I agree the dark car in the 1952 photo is likely an early version of the bright red scheme, using the old style lettering and lacking the white fascia of the later cars. What it doesn't have is any indication of black lettering on the car sides, which the 12624 has. I'm still convinced that is a yellow car and the film is fooling us. I wonder when orthchromatic film was last used? I have several examples of images of cars built in the mid twenties that exhibit the color shift unique to that film. It apparently continued in use for large format industrial photography after the introduction of panchromatic film because it was prized for its fine grain and good contrast. As to availability, it's likely still available is anyone is still supplying film for photostat copy cameras.

Dennis Storzek

Re: Swift paint scheme

Douglas Harding
 

I can accept the film argument for the attached photos of 10370 from the Steamtown Erie Lackawanna collection. These photos were taken in 1913, and lettering on the sides is very hard to decipher. But the white lettering on the ends is clearly visible. But I struggle with that being the explanation for the photo in question of 12624, which has very visible white lettering on the sides and ends. Nor does it explain the 1952 photo from Pittsburgh that shows what appears to be a red car with white lettering coupled to a yellow car with black lettering.

 

Attached are photos of 6714 in the 1950 red P/L and 6723 in the 1948 P/L. Both these cars appear to share the same underframe design and other features as 12624. The only other cars with this unique underframe in my collection of photos, the photos taken in the early 50s, when different film was used. We know General American was rebuilding and renumbering Swift reefers as a common practice. It appears this was done with cars from this unique class of cars, but still does not explain the P/L scheme on 12624.

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve and Barb Hile
Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2019 10:08 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Swift paint scheme

 

Curiouser and curiouser.  The orthocromatic film theory doesn't explain the example of the dark colored Swift car from Pittsburg with the 1952 Chevy billboard in the background that Doug Harding referred to.

 

https://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3A86.16.109/from_search/0e627706c76dfa0bd1e3411e89500dfc-91

 

Also, Dave Parker's made a point about "new" or "added" cars entering the 12xxx series for Swift under GAT by the mid 1930's.  Plus the car that we're discussing has those corner straps and a fishbelly underframe, both of which are not at all common among Swift cars.  Perhaps GAT was adding cars from other builders/leaseholders to the Swift fleet as needed.  Yet another challenge.

 

Steve

 


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dennis Storzek
Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2019 8:20 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Swift paint scheme

On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 08:30 PM, Steve and Barb Hile wrote:

If you then look around the car corner, into the shadowed side of the car, the items that wrap around the corner, such as the facial and the corner strap are all darker in the shadow side.  So, I will assume that the whole car side is dark and the lettering is white, and not an optical illusion.

There is one argument against this theory; there IS black (or at least dark) lettering on the car side. Look just to the left of the third from the bottom grab that makes the side ladder, and you will see the top line of the dimensional data as light colored lettering. The next couple lines are missing as the lettering morphs to a graytone that matches the side, then the bottom two lines are faintly visible as dark lettering. Same with the reporting marks, the top line (or bar) and SRLX appear light, the number is missing, but then the bottom line appears dark.

I think we are being fooled by a photo taken on orthchromatic film, which typically turns yellows very dark. I am very familiar with photos of Soo Line reefers that appear to have absolutely no lettering other than the $ herald; the black lettering and yellow side are both rendered as the same graytine. Looking at the subject photo, both the side fascia and side sill appear slight;y darker than the sidem which would be consistent with FCR fascia, yellow side, and black underframe.

How to explain the apparent white lettering on the side? It is possible that glossier black paint is reflecting sunlight. This brings to mind a question; was Swift using glass beads in their lettering? The technique was relatively popular during the thirties and forties, to give a surface that would reflect auto headlights at grade crossings, sort of a precursor to Scotchlite.  The beads were typically applied to fresh stencil paste because it stayed sticky long enough to grab them and bond them to the car. Car Builder's Cycs of the era have ads for the glass beads, the trade name escapes me at the moment.

Dennis Storzek

Re: RPM Chicagoland summary

Paul Doggett
 

Eric 

Thanks for sharing your photos.

Paul Doggett.  England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 


On 30 Oct 2019, at 17:51, Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:



I’ve posted a short summary of the recently RPM Chicagoland event. This includes a link to a gallery of photos I snapped during the meet. Please share the link with friends so they can plan to attend an RPM. Enjoy!

 

http://designbuildop.hansmanns.org/2019/10/30/2019-rpm-chicagoland-summary/

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

RPM Chicagoland summary

Eric Hansmann
 

I’ve posted a short summary of the recently RPM Chicagoland event. This includes a link to a gallery of photos I snapped during the meet. Please share the link with friends so they can plan to attend an RPM. Enjoy!

 

http://designbuildop.hansmanns.org/2019/10/30/2019-rpm-chicagoland-summary/

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN