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Re: DuPont tank car DUPX 254 - October 1944

Tim O'Connor
 


This was part of a LARGE group of cars numbered DUPX 102 to 274 - there were still 60 cars in
this series in 1970! Why hasn't ATLAS done their car in this paint scheme? (Or have they?)




On 2/1/2021 12:34 PM, Dave Parker via groups.io wrote:
My understanding is that these ICC 105A cars dedicated to anhydrous ammonia use were all ~11,000 gallons. This one was 11,313.

Photo is too fuzzy to be certain, but it looks like an AC&F build to me.
--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Pacific Electric

Tim O'Connor
 


All copyrights expire eventually. Including photographs. There are a lot of factors - how old was the
photographer and (if) when did they die? Was the photo ever published? Where did you get the photo?
A nearly 80 year old photo of a freight car... not much chance of a lawsuit. Just sayin'. And to win, the
suit would have to demonstrate actual damage to the copyright holder (diminishment of residual economic
value of the photo or publication).


On 2/3/2021 6:54 PM, SHAY STARK wrote:
Garth,

I have a photo of PE10237 taken in Centerville Utah on Bamberger Railroad with a packing date of 11-41 and BLT 6-24 B-50-14, that has the brake staff rigging located on the outside of the car. Unfortunately I don't have permission to post the photo. I also remember an article in Main Line Modeler in the 1990's that had a few photos of the PE cars along with the SP variants. I seem to remember at least one photo showing the brake staff rigging. Maybe someone has that article and could provide more information.

Shay Stark

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Congratulations to Clark

Steve SANDIFER
 

I got my latest MR yesterday and enjoyed the article by Clark.  Well done. I wish they had included a lot more photos!


Re: questions regarding ACF Carbon Black Hopper

vapeurchapelon
 

Ed,
 
many thanks to you, too. Of course this helps a lot! I will need 1 or 2 days to go through all the material I received today.
 
Greetings
 
Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953
 
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 04. Februar 2021 um 19:33 Uhr
Von: "Ed Hawkins" <hawk0621@...>
An: "main@realstmfc.groups.io" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Betreff: Re: [RealSTMFC] questions regarding ACF Carbon Black Hopper
 
 
On Feb 4, 2021, at 8:07 AM, vapeurchapelon <j.markwart@...> wrote:
 
I would like to get one of these, but at first have questions which need an answer in order to decide for or against a purchase.
1. How many of these cars were in existence? Were they very rare?
2. Did they travel nationwide or usually not far around their owners?
3. The Micronex car is most attractive to me, but the "NEW date" is 1934 - far too early for my period of post-war years. Is this lettering scheme correct for my period that I only would have to change that date?
 
Johannes, 
I’ll take a stab at answering your questions. 
 
Over time during the STMFC period were several sizes of carbon black cars to include capacities of 3000, 3400, 3465, 3480 & 3500 cubic feet. The OMI model is based on the 3000 cu. ft cars, and slightly more than 600 cars were built by ACF, GATC, and PSC (Pressed Steel Car Co.) from late 1933 thru 1949 with a production break during World War II. The larger cars collectively added to slightly less than 300 cars built from 1950 thru 1959 by ACF, GATC, Magor, and Thrall.
 
The following quantities of 3000 cu. ft. cars were in service as of Jan. 1952.
 
CABX - 116 Cabot
CCX - 95 Columbian Carbon
JMHX - 60 J.M. Huber
UCBX - 120 United Carbon
 
Several others had 40 cars or less in Jan. 1952: CCCX (40), CLTX (15), GACX (25), SHPX (20), SRCX (25), WITX (18). Some of these cars were transfers from previous original owners.
 
For accurate models, the modeler should be aware that not all 3000 cu. ft. cars were identical. Cars built from late 1933 thru early 1942 came with wood running boards and vertical-staff hand brakes as were used on the OMI model. Due to WPB restrictions during World War II, production of carbon black cars were on hold from mid-1942 thru 1946. Production of 3000 cu. ft. carbon black cars resumed in 1947 with wood running boards, but hand brakes were changed to power-type (Ajax). Cars built in 1948-1949 continued with power hand brakes, and running boards were changed to steel. I’m unaware of any 3000 cu. ft cars built after ca. 8-49. 
 
Regarding the three OMI models, I’ll address each one individually. 
 
1. CLTX 107 should be from series 106-110, 5 cars built 11-36 by ACF (lot 1572). The model is generally correct except for the build date. The 9-34 build date on the model would be accurate for CLTX 101-105 built by ACF in lot 1376. It’s highly doubtful if the original lettering would have been found in the postwar years, and it will take a photo of one of the 15 CLTX cars 101-115 to know how the cars were stenciled in the postwar years.
 
2. CABX 127 matches the scheme of an in-service photo of CABX 78 taken ca. 1948 (Charles E. Winters collection). Given the model has a wood running board & vertical-staff hand brake, the car number 127 is incorrect. The model can be made correct for the postwar years if the car number is changed from 31 thru 106. Build date stencils would of course depend on the car number selected, and could one of many from 12-34 thru 4-42.
 
Conversely, the CABX 127 model can be corrected for prototype cars CABX 127-146, built 8-49 by ACF (lot 3389), which came with Apex Tri-lok rectangular open-grid running boards & Ajax power hand brakes.
 
3. JMHX 226 was from original series JMHX 225-230, 6 cars built 12-40 in ACF lot 2108. For many years the J.M. Huber cars had serif-style stencils for their 3000 cu. ft. cars built 12-35 thru 1-42, and on larger 3480 cu. ft. cars built in 5-52 per in-service photo of 267 from series JMHX 266-280. The company name stencils appear to have been 7” high extending across only the middle section of the car. I’ve not seen any 1940s-1950s photos of J.M. Huber cars matching the 226 model, and based on limited photos in my personal collection I believe this scheme would not be accurate for your 1953 cut-off date. Otherwise, the model could corrected for your period of interest by re-lettering with smaller serif stencils.
 
Depending on how you might choose to proceed, I can help by providing you a scan to reflect the specific car of interest. 
 
Hope this helps.
Regards, Ed Hawkins
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


Re: Pacific Electric

mel perry
 

bruce;
1) simple, i've never seen it in service,
only on dead lines, not to say it didn't
happen, i just haven't seen it

2)PE8501?, i'm teferencing PE00119,
which clearly a t-section on the left
and a bettendorf on the right
;-)
mel perry


On Thu, Feb 4, 2021, 1:04 PM Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:
Mel,

1) Why would two different trucks imply a scrap line? While not common, it occurred.

2) Um, the trucks on PE 8501 sure both look like Andrews trucks to me.

Regards

Bruce


Bruce F. Smith            

Auburn, AL

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."




On Feb 4, 2021, at 2:51 PM, mel perry <clipper841@...> wrote:

interesting, that car has two different
trucks, is it on a scrap line?
mel perry


Re: Pacific Electric

Bruce Smith
 

Mel,

1) Why would two different trucks imply a scrap line? While not common, it occurred.

2) Um, the trucks on PE 8501 sure both look like Andrews trucks to me.

Regards

Bruce


Bruce F. Smith            

Auburn, AL

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."




On Feb 4, 2021, at 2:51 PM, mel perry <clipper841@...> wrote:

interesting, that car has two different
trucks, is it on a scrap line?
mel perry


Re: Pacific Electric

mel perry
 

interesting, that car has two different
trucks, is it on a scrap line?
mel perry


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] OMI 3-compartment insulated tank is too big?

Mont Switzer
 

Eldon,

Those who stenciled compartment capacities on the domes hoped it would help the loader avoid overfilling and overrunning the compartment.

Another reason for the voids between compartments (double bulkhead) was to avoid contamination.  If a compartment leaked it went into the vid between compartments, not into the adjoining compartment. 

Mont


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] on behalf of Gatwood, Elden J SAD [elden.j.gatwood@...]
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2021 10:31 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] OMI 3-compartment insulated tank is too big?

From the many photos I have seen over the years, there are enormous variations in capacities.  The users had varied needs, so did the tank cars.

 

I like the cars that had the tank capacities stenciled on the dome.

 

Places like USSteel’s Clairton Works shipped three different products in one car, so had similar capacity compartments.

 

Users that shipped clean oil in, and used oil out, sometimes had very different capacity compartments.

 

And those converted from single to triple compartment, often had a larger center compartment, and dome, than the outer compartments.

 

Things to make tank cars even more interesting….

 

Elden Gatwood

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of O Fenton Wells
Sent: Wednesday, February 3, 2021 6:53 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] OMI 3-compartment insulated tank is too big?

 

Charlie Southern Car co makes great 3 dome and 2 dome tank car kits.

Fenton

 

On Wed, Feb 3, 2021 at 5:13 PM Charlie Vlk <cvlk@...> wrote:

All-

Isn’t a three compartment tank smaller gallonage due to the extra tank bulkheads separating the compartments? That would make the 2K difference reasonable.
Charlie Vlk

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of nyc3001 .
Sent: Wednesday, February 3, 2021 3:02 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] OMI 3-compartment insulated tank is too big?

 

Hi guys,

I was comparing my model of the OMI 8k 3-compartment insulated wine tank car (3271) to the OMI GATX 10k insulated car (3229). The tanks look like they're the same diameter and length even though there's supposed to be a 2k gal. difference between them. Is the 3-compartment car's tank larger than the prototype?

Thanks,
Phil


 

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Re: Rio Grande decals - assistance please

Tim O'Connor
 


Schuyler

Champ HN-123 has black lettering including the "X" for mofw equipment.

Send me your address and I'll mail you the set.

:-)


On 2/4/2021 12:43 PM, Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io wrote:

Of course I am if you look at it that way.  What I was looking for and have received is a couple or useful responses from people with some direct knowledge of D&RGW equipment who contacted me off list, which is why I gave my email address in the first email.

 

Since you seem to really want to know. I am looking to more-or-less accurately decal some troop sleepers in work train service.  The decal sheet my friend gave me, Microscale 87-73 “D&RGW Narrow Gauge Freight Cars,” does not include much black lettering and I am not convinced the “Rio Grande” speed lettering is the correct size.  I suspect there are better choices.  I want to letter it as accurately as I can, though the owner is very much satisfied with a “three-foot rule” result.  It’s >>ME<< being picky, not the owner.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Benjamin Hom
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2021 12:35 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Rio Grande decals - assistance please

 

Schuyler Larrabee asked:

"I need some help finding the appropriate decals for a car I’m doing for a friend.  I am not a D&RGW modeler.

 I would appreciate assistance in finding the best decals for the job."


You're casting a pretty wide net.  What specifically are you trying to letter?


Ben Hom



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Painting Stainless Steel Wire - Suggestions?

Tony Thompson
 

Bob Chaparro wrote:

I have a presentation on open car loads for general service gons and flat cars that is nearing completion. This was to be given at the NMRA National Convention this year but the convention is cancelled.

For Bob and everyone's information, the NMRA National this summer has only been cancelled in the in-person form. There will be a rather large and complete clinic program presented virtually, along with virtual layout and prototype tours and other features.
     You can visit the announcement in present form at:


Tony Thompson




Re: questions regarding ACF Carbon Black Hopper

vapeurchapelon
 

Hello Garth,
 
no I wasn't. Many thanks for the link!
 
Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953
 
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 04. Februar 2021 um 17:34 Uhr
Von: "Garth Groff and Sally Sanford" <mallardlodge1000@...>
An: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [RealSTMFC] questions regarding ACF Carbon Black Hopper
Johannes,
 
Were you aware that Funero & Camerlengo have kits for carbon black cars? See http://fandckits.com/HOFreight/6310.html 
 
Yours Aye,
 
 
Garth Gorff  🦆

 
On Thu, Feb 4, 2021 at 9:08 AM vapeurchapelon <j.markwart@...> wrote:
Hello friends,

please have a look to these ebay auctions of differently lettered but otherwise identical cars:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Overland-OMI-3274-4-ACF-Carbon-Black-hopper-Micronex-Columbian-Carbon-F-P-brass/233883368291?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Overland-OMI-3274-3-ACF-Carbon-Black-hopper-JM-Huber-Corp-F-P-brass/333878132958?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Overland-OMI-3274-1-ACF-Carbon-Black-hopper-Cabot-F-P-brass/233883372581?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649

I would like to get one of these, but at first have questions which need an answer in order to decide for or against a purchase.
1. How many of these cars were in existence? Were they very rare?
2. Did they travel nationwide or usually not far around their owners?
3. The Micronex car is most attractive to me, but the "NEW date" is 1934 - far too early for my period of post-war years. Is this lettering scheme correct for my period that I only would have to change that date?

Lots of thanks

Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953

 

 


Re: questions regarding ACF Carbon Black Hopper

vapeurchapelon
 

Hello friends,
 
thanks to all who replied! Much more than I did expect!
 
Tim,
 
whereas JMHX 252 very obviously is a heigthened car, I think on SHPX #25176 the slope sheets are lower compared to the OMI model (assuming that model is accurate...). Maybe even the angle is more flat, both would make a little more capacity.
 
Thanks again!
 
Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953
 
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 04. Februar 2021 um 16:29 Uhr
Von: "Tim O'Connor" <timboconnor@...>
An: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [RealSTMFC] questions regarding ACF Carbon Black Hopper

I think all of the models (brass - resin - plastic) represent one design - I am not certain which one!
It's either the 2850 cuft or the 3000 cuft car. But it's not the 3480 cuft design which was wider and
taller.

By 1953 SHPX series 25162 to 25181 was 20 2850 cuft cars. By 1972 the exact same
number series still has 19 cars but are now listed at 2998 cuft. Unfortunately the 1953 ORER
does not have the extreme height and width information listed in 1972, so all I can do is
guess that the cars were rebuilt by increasing the height slightly. 




On 2/4/2021 9:07 AM, vapeurchapelon wrote:
Hello friends,

please have a look to these ebay auctions of differently lettered but otherwise identical cars:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Overland-OMI-3274-4-ACF-Carbon-Black-hopper-Micronex-Columbian-Carbon-F-P-brass/233883368291?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Overland-OMI-3274-3-ACF-Carbon-Black-hopper-JM-Huber-Corp-F-P-brass/333878132958?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Overland-OMI-3274-1-ACF-Carbon-Black-hopper-Cabot-F-P-brass/233883372581?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649

I would like to get one of these, but at first have questions which need an answer in order to decide for or against a purchase.
1. How many of these cars were in existence? Were they very rare?
2. Did they travel nationwide or usually not far around their owners?
3. The Micronex car is most attractive to me, but the "NEW date" is 1934 - far too early for my period of post-war years. Is this lettering scheme correct for my period that I only would have to change that date?

Lots of thanks

Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: questions regarding ACF Carbon Black Hopper

Ed Hawkins
 



On Feb 4, 2021, at 8:07 AM, vapeurchapelon <j.markwart@...> wrote:

I would like to get one of these, but at first have questions which need an answer in order to decide for or against a purchase.
1. How many of these cars were in existence? Were they very rare?
2. Did they travel nationwide or usually not far around their owners?
3. The Micronex car is most attractive to me, but the "NEW date" is 1934 - far too early for my period of post-war years. Is this lettering scheme correct for my period that I only would have to change that date?

Johannes, 
I’ll take a stab at answering your questions. 

Over time during the STMFC period were several sizes of carbon black cars to include capacities of 3000, 3400, 3465, 3480 & 3500 cubic feet. The OMI model is based on the 3000 cu. ft cars, and slightly more than 600 cars were built by ACF, GATC, and PSC (Pressed Steel Car Co.) from late 1933 thru 1949 with a production break during World War II. The larger cars collectively added to slightly less than 300 cars built from 1950 thru 1959 by ACF, GATC, Magor, and Thrall.

The following quantities of 3000 cu. ft. cars were in service as of Jan. 1952.

CABX - 116 Cabot
CCX - 95 Columbian Carbon
JMHX - 60 J.M. Huber
UCBX - 120 United Carbon

Several others had 40 cars or less in Jan. 1952: CCCX (40), CLTX (15), GACX (25), SHPX (20), SRCX (25), WITX (18). Some of these cars were transfers from previous original owners.

For accurate models, the modeler should be aware that not all 3000 cu. ft. cars were identical. Cars built from late 1933 thru early 1942 came with wood running boards and vertical-staff hand brakes as were used on the OMI model. Due to WPB restrictions during World War II, production of carbon black cars were on hold from mid-1942 thru 1946. Production of 3000 cu. ft. carbon black cars resumed in 1947 with wood running boards, but hand brakes were changed to power-type (Ajax). Cars built in 1948-1949 continued with power hand brakes, and running boards were changed to steel. I’m unaware of any 3000 cu. ft cars built after ca. 8-49. 

Regarding the three OMI models, I’ll address each one individually. 

1. CLTX 107 should be from series 106-110, 5 cars built 11-36 by ACF (lot 1572). The model is generally correct except for the build date. The 9-34 build date on the model would be accurate for CLTX 101-105 built by ACF in lot 1376. It’s highly doubtful if the original lettering would have been found in the postwar years, and it will take a photo of one of the 15 CLTX cars 101-115 to know how the cars were stenciled in the postwar years.

2. CABX 127 matches the scheme of an in-service photo of CABX 78 taken ca. 1948 (Charles E. Winters collection). Given the model has a wood running board & vertical-staff hand brake, the car number 127 is incorrect. The model can be made correct for the postwar years if the car number is changed from 31 thru 106. Build date stencils would of course depend on the car number selected, and could one of many from 12-34 thru 4-42.

Conversely, the CABX 127 model can be corrected for prototype cars CABX 127-146, built 8-49 by ACF (lot 3389), which came with Apex Tri-lok rectangular open-grid running boards & Ajax power hand brakes.

3. JMHX 226 was from original series JMHX 225-230, 6 cars built 12-40 in ACF lot 2108. For many years the J.M. Huber cars had serif-style stencils for their 3000 cu. ft. cars built 12-35 thru 1-42, and on larger 3480 cu. ft. cars built in 5-52 per in-service photo of 267 from series JMHX 266-280. The company name stencils appear to have been 7” high extending across only the middle section of the car. I’ve not seen any 1940s-1950s photos of J.M. Huber cars matching the 226 model, and based on limited photos in my personal collection I believe this scheme would not be accurate for your 1953 cut-off date. Otherwise, the model could corrected for your period of interest by re-lettering with smaller serif stencils.

Depending on how you might choose to proceed, I can help by providing you a scan to reflect the specific car of interest. 

Hope this helps.
Regards, Ed Hawkins
















Re: Rio Grande decals - assistance please

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Well, thanks, Ben, I appreciate that help.  The linked photo is exactly the car in question.  I bought two of the Champ sets (there are two cars to do) and I expect that will get me pretty close to accurately decaled cars.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Benjamin Hom
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2021 1:19 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Rio Grande decals - assistance please

 

Schuyler Larrabee wrote: 

"Since you seem to really want to know. I am looking to more-or-less accurately decal some troop sleepers in work train service.  The decal sheet my friend gave me, Microscale 87-73 “D&RGW Narrow Gauge Freight Cars,” does not include much black lettering and I am not convinced the “Rio Grande” speed lettering is the correct size.  I suspect there are better choices.  I want to letter it as accurately as I can, though the owner is very much satisfied with a “three-foot rule” result.  It’s >>ME<< being picky, not the owner."

 

You mean something like this?

 

Agree with you regarding Microscale 87-73 - along with the limited black lettering, the stencil breaks don't conform with the car in the photo.

 

Champ HN-123 might scratch your itch.  It's in black, and features four sizes of the speed lettering.  Here's an active listing:

 

 

Ben Hom


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Painting Stainless Steel Wire - Suggestions?

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Bob;

 

I will very much look forward to seeing your presentation!

 

I love open loads, and have dozens of those WalMart clear plastic containers with loads I populate my cars with on my empties-in/loads-out; loads in/empties-out operation.  I have hundreds of loads I have created, including some I did from masters, to populate the dozens of industries also served on my layout and beyond.

 

I can’t wait to  see what you present!


Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, February 4, 2021 12:45 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Painting Stainless Steel Wire - Suggestions?

 

Thank you, Elden. 
Many of the improvements to my modeling (still a ways to go) are a result of reading posts on this site. I'm finding satisfaction in making and installing loads in cars.
I have a presentation on open car loads for general service gons and flat cars that is nearing completion. This was to be given at the NMRA National Convention this year but the convention is cancelled. I hope to present it at the NMRA Pacific Coast Region's convention if that is not cancelled.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Re: Rio Grande decals - assistance please

Benjamin Hom
 

Schuyler Larrabee wrote: 
"Since you seem to really want to know. I am looking to more-or-less accurately decal some troop sleepers in work train service.  The decal sheet my friend gave me, Microscale 87-73 “D&RGW Narrow Gauge Freight Cars,” does not include much black lettering and I am not convinced the “Rio Grande” speed lettering is the correct size.  I suspect there are better choices.  I want to letter it as accurately as I can, though the owner is very much satisfied with a “three-foot rule” result.  It’s >>ME<< being picky, not the owner."

You mean something like this?

Agree with you regarding Microscale 87-73 - along with the limited black lettering, the stencil breaks don't conform with the car in the photo.

Champ HN-123 might scratch your itch.  It's in black, and features four sizes of the speed lettering.  Here's an active listing:


Ben Hom


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Painting Stainless Steel Wire - Suggestions?

Bob Chaparro
 

Thank you, Elden. 
Many of the improvements to my modeling (still a ways to go) are a result of reading posts on this site. I'm finding satisfaction in making and installing loads in cars.
I have a presentation on open car loads for general service gons and flat cars that is nearing completion. This was to be given at the NMRA National Convention this year but the convention is cancelled. I hope to present it at the NMRA Pacific Coast Region's convention if that is not cancelled.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Re: Rio Grande decals - assistance please

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Of course I am if you look at it that way.  What I was looking for and have received is a couple or useful responses from people with some direct knowledge of D&RGW equipment who contacted me off list, which is why I gave my email address in the first email.

 

Since you seem to really want to know. I am looking to more-or-less accurately decal some troop sleepers in work train service.  The decal sheet my friend gave me, Microscale 87-73 “D&RGW Narrow Gauge Freight Cars,” does not include much black lettering and I am not convinced the “Rio Grande” speed lettering is the correct size.  I suspect there are better choices.  I want to letter it as accurately as I can, though the owner is very much satisfied with a “three-foot rule” result.  It’s >>ME<< being picky, not the owner.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Benjamin Hom
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2021 12:35 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Rio Grande decals - assistance please

 

Schuyler Larrabee asked:

"I need some help finding the appropriate decals for a car I’m doing for a friend.  I am not a D&RGW modeler.

 I would appreciate assistance in finding the best decals for the job."


You're casting a pretty wide net.  What specifically are you trying to letter?


Ben Hom


Re: Rio Grande decals - assistance please

Benjamin Hom
 

Schuyler Larrabee asked:
"I need some help finding the appropriate decals for a car I’m doing for a friend.  I am not a D&RGW modeler.
 I would appreciate assistance in finding the best decals for the job."

You're casting a pretty wide net.  What specifically are you trying to letter?


Ben Hom


Re: Pacific Electric

Tim O'Connor
 


does not appear to have any special equipment


On 2/4/2021 12:09 PM, Garth Groff and Sally Sanford wrote:
RJ,

I found no indication in Tony's book that the stock cars had the tight-curve brakes. There were only 10 cars, PE 8500-8509. These were class S-40-4 built in 1914, which is about 10 years before the special application on the bulk of new PE cars. The cars went to the SP in 1940. Also consider that these cars were 37', and might not have needed the special brake arrangement, or they might have been in pretty restricted service to customers that didn't have tight curves. The only photo I've ever seen of these is the builders photo in Tony's series (V.1) on page 264. It is from the "wrong" corner, and Tony's roster doesn't call out any special equipment. The general arrangement diagram is in Swett's CARS OF PACIFIC ELECTRIC, V.3 page 783, but no brake details are given.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

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