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Re: Latest run of Intermountain (Wegmann) HO PFE Rebuilt Reefers

bill stanton
 

It also looks to me like the single herald versions of the r-40-19 and r-30-21 are using the incorrect later ("fatter") UP logo dating from about june 1946 whereas the rebuild dates are from march 1946 at least that's what i gather from reading Tony's PFE book...any commentary or correction most welcomed on this as i would otherwise have bought these cars...(interestingly the single herald version of the r-30-18 rebuilt 9-42 looks to have the correct UP logo with the narrower waist)...


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Tony Thompson <tony@...>
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2020 2:55 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Latest run of Intermountain (Wegmann) HO PFE Rebuilt Reefers
 
Andy Cich wrote:

I haven’t tried to fix it yet. I’m not sure how easy it will be to pry the valve off. Also, the brake cylinder is too far away from the center sill and doesn’t connect to the lever. And the rod that connects between the levers should be inside the center sill. It is in the spot where the cylinder should go.

      The PFE car I just received is the same as Andy's photo. The (rather coarse) chain attached to the brake cylinder is just glued to the center sill, no lever attachment, and the brake rodding is completely mixed up. Obviously quality control not in effect -- they have done a lot of these before.
     At the same time, the rodding errors  won't be visible in operation. The visually disturbing parts are the valve and reservoir being set so far from the floor.

Tony Thompson



Re: Roof photo of a 7000-7099 Swift reefer

Richard Townsend
 

How about this:


Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: Allan Smith <smithal9@...>
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io <main@realstmfc.groups.io>
Sent: Mon, May 11, 2020 4:33 pm
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Roof photo of a 7000-7099 Swift reefer

I have an old Walthers 40' DS wood reefer with wood ends Swift 932-2428. With all the new 37' reefer models by Rapido, I began researching info on Swift reefers. I found a photo of SRLX 7045 that shows the B end and sides, this is a 40' length series of swift reefers. I think I can kitbash a reasonable model of this series using the Walthers kit. The cars were built in the 1930's so I am assuming they had a wood roof like the 37' Rapido cars. I model 1955 and my 1958 ORER shows there were still 81 cars in existence, so I think this would be car to contrast with the 37' wood and 40' steel Swift reefers in my fleet.

Any help with info on the roofs of these cars would be most helpful.

Thanks

Al Smith
Sonora CA

Roof photo of a 7000-7099 Swift reefer

Allan Smith
 

I have an old Walthers 40' DS wood reefer with wood ends Swift 932-2428. With all the new 37' reefer models by Rapido, I began researching info on Swift reefers. I found a photo of SRLX 7045 that shows the B end and sides, this is a 40' length series of swift reefers. I think I can kitbash a reasonable model of this series using the Walthers kit. The cars were built in the 1930's so I am assuming they had a wood roof like the 37' Rapido cars. I model 1955 and my 1958 ORER shows there were still 81 cars in existence, so I think this would be car to contrast with the 37' wood and 40' steel Swift reefers in my fleet.

Any help with info on the roofs of these cars would be most helpful.

Thanks

Al Smith
Sonora CA

Re: Oyster Cars

Bob Chaparro
 

Dale Minard commented...

While reading the Oyster Car article (NMRA Sunrise Trail Division Cannon Ball Fall 2014 issue), I noticed that Part 2 was to be published in the following issue (Winter 2014).  A quick request to the editor resulted in the following link (in case anyone is interested):

http://sunrisetraildiv.com/Cannonballs/4404Winter2014.pdf

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Re: Latest run of Intermountain (Wegmann) HO PFE Rebuilt Reefers

John Sykes III
 

Just a thought, but is this their first batch of cars out of the new factory in China?

-- John

Resource about Freight Car Brakes and Braking

Bill Welch
 

Re: Latest run of Intermountain (Wegmann) HO PFE Rebuilt Reefers

John Sykes III
 

UPS just dropped them off.  Ditto here on the twin logo ones.  Y'a know I wouldn't be upset if these were $12 Tyco cars, but at $42.95 each???????  I think we've been robbed.

-- John

Re: Latest run of Intermountain (Wegmann) HO PFE Rebuilt Reefers

Tony Thompson
 

Andy Cich wrote:

I haven’t tried to fix it yet. I’m not sure how easy it will be to pry the valve off. Also, the brake cylinder is too far away from the center sill and doesn’t connect to the lever. And the rod that connects between the levers should be inside the center sill. It is in the spot where the cylinder should go.

      The PFE car I just received is the same as Andy's photo. The (rather coarse) chain attached to the brake cylinder is just glued to the center sill, no lever attachment, and the brake rodding is completely mixed up. Obviously quality control not in effect -- they have done a lot of these before.
     At the same time, the rodding errors  won't be visible in operation. The visually disturbing parts are the valve and reservoir being set so far from the floor.

Tony Thompson



Photo: Boxcars IHB 5689 and NP 29177

Hudson Leighton <hudsonl@...>
 

Boxcars  IHB 5689 and NP 29177

Re: Latest run of Intermountain (Wegmann) HO PFE Rebuilt Reefers

Tim O'Connor
 


Yikes!! It looks like they specified WIRE for the rods (a good thing) but didn't bother to tell people
how to arrange the bits. Or maybe the factory just decided to save assembly time...

Another reason not to buy RTR, if the kits are available.


On 5/11/2020 2:56 PM, Andy Cich wrote:

I recently received a few of the latest cars from Intermountain. All of mine are assembled as shown in the photo. Did anybody receive cars that are correctly assembled? I wonder if the whole run was done this way. Or just one person on the assembly line had a problem.

 

I haven’t tried to fix it yet. I’m not sure how easy it will be to pry the valve off. Also, the brake cylinder is too far away from the center sill and doesn’t connect to the lever. And the rod that connects between the levers should be inside the center sill. It is in the spot where the cylinder should go.

 

 

Andy Cich

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

Re: C&BT Upgrade

Tim O'Connor
 


Chuck, a LOT of people (including me) have paid a ridiculous amount of attention to underframes that cannot
be seen in normal operation. I remember Richard Hendrickson's analogy of Hollywood movie props - that are
often just a piece of complete junk - and for the brief 1/2 second you see them on screen your mind fills in the
details, so why bother? I have a Hendrickson 65 foot mill gondola and the entire underside has little lead weights
glued under the floor - no other details at all. Why bother? :-D



On 5/11/2020 1:05 PM, Charles Peck wrote:
When I want a showcase model, little things matter.
When Charlton Heston did a big scene with a cast of thousands, I doubt that 
everyone one of them got full makeup, full exact costume, and the proper 
period haircut.  
Just so, some of my 100 plus hopper cars might have some plastic blob that 
only halfway resembles a Wine door latch.  
Chuck Peck

On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 12:13 PM Bob Chapman <chapbob611@...> wrote:
Andy Carlson writes:
A real risk of offending folks on this subject, but I heavily disagree on the acceptance of the CB&T Shops car body. I think the Bad reputation is deserved.

Andy --
No offense here. We all model at different levels with different priorities, and the height of the bar is consistently changing with time. In the 80s, the C&BT carbodies were among the leaders, in prototype fidelity as well as offering variations in door width, number of panels, etc.

Today there are many more options on the table, including some with the right number of rivets. Were I wanting to do start from a zero-base to do the RI boxcar project today, I'd probably choose a different starting point than a C&BT kit. This not being the case, it's been fun to dress up the C&BT pig and see how good we can make her look. 

Regards,
Bob Chapman  

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

Re: -- C&BT Upgrade

Tom Madden
 

On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 01:51 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:

Tom, one thing I notice - you have used Detail Associates 22" bracket grab irons! Instead of the correct 18" style.
How do I know this? Because when the IMWX box cars were released, the bracket grabs were HORRIBLE and
so I used DA 22" grabs instead! :-D

(Those DA grabs were made for their GS gondola kits and I think they were correct for the gondolas.)
That's one of the things I would do differently, and I'd also attach the left ends of the grabs to the car ends and not to the car sides. But those DA grabs were the best available at the time and I know a lot more now than I did then. I did scratchbuild the ladders with 0.010" styrene rungs.

Tom Madden
 

Re: -- C&BT Upgrade

Tim O'Connor
 


Tom, one thing I notice - you have used Detail Associates 22" bracket grab irons! Instead of the correct 18" style.
How do I know this? Because when the IMWX box cars were released, the bracket grabs were HORRIBLE and
so I used DA 22" grabs instead! :-D

(Those DA grabs were made for their GS gondola kits and I think they were correct for the gondolas.)

When Red Caboose redid the IMWX parts tooling, Bill McClung produced a far better bracket grab. Not as good
as the later Branchline or Kadee bracket grabs, but a huge improvement, and I could use those without making the cars
look terrible. :-)


On 5/11/2020 12:25 PM, Tom Madden via groups.io wrote:
Twenty five or more years ago, when model railroading was still a hobby and not a business, I actually built some models. If you wanted a 12 panel SP B-50-25 back then, the C&BT 12 panel body was the only game in town - but it had to have 6" removed to bring the height down to the correct 10'-0". I did that for one of my last models (and even it was never completed) by carefully sawing off the roof at the eave line, sanding the body down and reattaching the roof. While we all aspire to have everything we build be museum quality, that's not practical. But modeling isn't just about the quality of the model - it's also a demonstration of our skills and craftsmanship. As I look at these photos I see lots of things I could have done differently, or better, but what I really notice is how well I hid the joints where the roof was reattached to the body. Yes, the rivets are oversize and really pop out with light weathering compared to the unweathered IMWX B-50-23 model behind it. Let's remember that this accurate freight car modeling revolution started with people like Dennis and Richard and Tony showing how to improve available models. Updating an older C&BT or Blue Box model is still a great way to develop your modeling skills.

Tom Madden

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

Re: Latest run of Intermountain (Wegmann) HO PFE Rebuilt Reefers

Gary Roe
 

Andy,

I am supposed to receive mine via UPS tomorrow.  Will let you know what I find out once I get them opened.

gary roe
quincy, illinois



On Monday, May 11, 2020, 1:56:59 PM CDT, Andy Cich <ajc5150@...> wrote:


I recently received a few of the latest cars from Intermountain. All of mine are assembled as shown in the photo. Did anybody receive cars that are correctly assembled? I wonder if the whole run was done this way. Or just one person on the assembly line had a problem.

 

I haven’t tried to fix it yet. I’m not sure how easy it will be to pry the valve off. Also, the brake cylinder is too far away from the center sill and doesn’t connect to the lever. And the rod that connects between the levers should be inside the center sill. It is in the spot where the cylinder should go.

 

 

Andy Cich

1910 view of a NYC&HR composite gon...

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Latest run of Intermountain (Wegmann) HO PFE Rebuilt Reefers

Andy Cich
 

I recently received a few of the latest cars from Intermountain. All of mine are assembled as shown in the photo. Did anybody receive cars that are correctly assembled? I wonder if the whole run was done this way. Or just one person on the assembly line had a problem.

 

I haven’t tried to fix it yet. I’m not sure how easy it will be to pry the valve off. Also, the brake cylinder is too far away from the center sill and doesn’t connect to the lever. And the rod that connects between the levers should be inside the center sill. It is in the spot where the cylinder should go.

 

 

Andy Cich

A True Fish Tale

Bob Chaparro
 

A True Fish Tale

Courtesy of Bruce Hendrick, a story from the Omaha World-Herald of an early California-bound fish car that had an unscheduled stop in Nebraska:

https://www.omaha.com/sports/local-sports/a-true-fish-tale-how-a-railroad-crash-boosted-nebraskas-fishing-stock-in-the-late/article_92703ab2-4825-573a-a105-bc2c8516a1fa.html

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

List Of Old Railroad & Railway Periodicals Available On-Line

Bob Chaparro
 

List Of Old Railroad & Railway Periodicals Available On-Line

Courtesy of Thomas Evans on the Early Rails Group:

http://www.bagrs.org/resources/Documents/OldRR_BooksOnline.pdf

Most of these are engineering journals.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Re: C&BT Upgrade

Charles Peck
 

When I want a showcase model, little things matter.
When Charlton Heston did a big scene with a cast of thousands, I doubt that 
everyone one of them got full makeup, full exact costume, and the proper 
period haircut.  
Just so, some of my 100 plus hopper cars might have some plastic blob that 
only halfway resembles a Wine door latch.  
Chuck Peck

On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 12:13 PM Bob Chapman <chapbob611@...> wrote:
Andy Carlson writes:
A real risk of offending folks on this subject, but I heavily disagree on the acceptance of the CB&T Shops car body. I think the Bad reputation is deserved.

Andy --
No offense here. We all model at different levels with different priorities, and the height of the bar is consistently changing with time. In the 80s, the C&BT carbodies were among the leaders, in prototype fidelity as well as offering variations in door width, number of panels, etc.

Today there are many more options on the table, including some with the right number of rivets. Were I wanting to do start from a zero-base to do the RI boxcar project today, I'd probably choose a different starting point than a C&BT kit. This not being the case, it's been fun to dress up the C&BT pig and see how good we can make her look. 

Regards,
Bob Chapman   

Re: Photo: Stenciling Freshly Painted NKP Box Car 27676

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Thanks Ben! Appreciated!
 
Claus Schlund
 
 

From: Benjamin Hom
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 9:04 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Stenciling Freshly Painted NKP Box Car 27676
 
Claus Schlund asked:
"Can anyone ID the road name on the gondola, I want to say N&W, but it is difficult to say really. The full resolution image can be seen at...
http://cdm16066.contentdm.oclc.org/utils/ajaxhelper/?CISOROOT=coal&CISOPTR=6&action=2&DMSCALE=100&DMWIDTH=9512&DMHEIGHT=9512&DMX=0&DMY=0&DMTEXT=railroad&DMROTATE=0 

Some additional image info can be found at ...
http://cdm16066.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/coal/id/6/rec/83 
 
 
N&W Class GG gon.  Photo from the Virginia Tech Norfolk Southern collection:
 
 
Ben Hom