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Re: Pacific Electric

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

Tim,

Then usual rodding to the hand brake must have interfered with truck swing where it passed over the B-end truck.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Thu, Feb 4, 2021 at 12:05 PM Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:
Garth

Excellent photos thank you. I have only a photo of 00119 from the OTHER side ! :-D

And 00119 has AB brakes! So evidently this problem was entirely about the hand
brake rods, and nothing else. ;-)


On 2/4/2021 11:55 AM, Garth Groff and Sally Sanford wrote:
Tim,

Interesting question. Tony would be the one to comment on that. Most of the surviving PE cars were transferred to the SP circa 1951-1952, and any that were worthy of continued service would have needed AB brakes. The examples that survive were PE MW service, and were still around in the 1960s before being preserved. AFAIK, all that are preserved are at the OREM. My photos from circa 1975 are attached.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Thu, Feb 4, 2021 at 11:30 AM Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

Garth, I wonder if that rigging (ref for the 1,300-1,900 #'s?) disappeared on cars that received AB brakes. Any idea?

Every single PE freight car photo I've seen is the right side (B-end to the left) or is from the A-end. :-P



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Pacific Electric

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

RJ,

I found no indication in Tony's book that the stock cars had the tight-curve brakes. There were only 10 cars, PE 8500-8509. These were class S-40-4 built in 1914, which is about 10 years before the special application on the bulk of new PE cars. The cars went to the SP in 1940. Also consider that these cars were 37', and might not have needed the special brake arrangement, or they might have been in pretty restricted service to customers that didn't have tight curves. The only photo I've ever seen of these is the builders photo in Tony's series (V.1) on page 264. It is from the "wrong" corner, and Tony's roster doesn't call out any special equipment. The general arrangement diagram is in Swett's CARS OF PACIFIC ELECTRIC, V.3 page 783, but no brake details are given.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆 

On Thu, Feb 4, 2021 at 11:30 AM radiodial868 <radiodial57@...> wrote:
I was really into the PE in the early 1970's (having been born in SoCal), Let me see if I can find my ETT from the 1930's that contained the restrictions. I also purchased photos form the Huntington and couple of commercial sellers back then and you can see how sharp the curves were.  Wish I could share them, but it'll bring out the ire of the Fair Use dudes again.
Garth, I recall one of the photos showed a PE stockcar (RH side unfortunately) and you can't see the number. Probably an S-40-4. This was still the era of stock pens downtown. Any info on those?
--
-------------------
RJ Dial

Mendocino, CA


Re: Pacific Electric

Tim O'Connor
 

Garth

Excellent photos thank you. I have only a photo of 00119 from the OTHER side ! :-D

And 00119 has AB brakes! So evidently this problem was entirely about the hand
brake rods, and nothing else. ;-)


On 2/4/2021 11:55 AM, Garth Groff and Sally Sanford wrote:
Tim,

Interesting question. Tony would be the one to comment on that. Most of the surviving PE cars were transferred to the SP circa 1951-1952, and any that were worthy of continued service would have needed AB brakes. The examples that survive were PE MW service, and were still around in the 1960s before being preserved. AFAIK, all that are preserved are at the OREM. My photos from circa 1975 are attached.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Thu, Feb 4, 2021 at 11:30 AM Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

Garth, I wonder if that rigging (ref for the 1,300-1,900 #'s?) disappeared on cars that received AB brakes. Any idea?

Every single PE freight car photo I've seen is the right side (B-end to the left) or is from the A-end. :-P



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Pacific Electric

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

Tim,

Interesting question. Tony would be the one to comment on that. Most of the surviving PE cars were transferred to the SP circa 1951-1952, and any that were worthy of continued service would have needed AB brakes. The examples that survive were PE MW service, and were still around in the 1960s before being preserved. AFAIK, all that are preserved are at the OREM. My photos from circa 1975 are attached.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Thu, Feb 4, 2021 at 11:30 AM Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

Garth, I wonder if that rigging (ref for the 1,300-1,900 #'s?) disappeared on cars that received AB brakes. Any idea?

Every single PE freight car photo I've seen is the right side (B-end to the left) or is from the A-end. :-P


On 2/3/2021 3:19 PM, Garth Groff and Sally Sanford wrote:
Tim and Paul,

The PE's special brake rigging was designed so the cars could go around a 45-foot radius curve. Not all PE cars had this feature, but a surprising number did. In fact, there were at least 1,300 such cars, maybe as many as 1,900. It appears the brake rigging was applied to cars built in the 1920s, and I know of no evidence for its use on earlier cars, except possibly Hart ballast gondolas (see below).

PE 5900-5999, 6000-6099, and 20000-20599; G-50-9 GS gondolas delivered in 1923 and 1924 (800 cars). The feature seems to be invisible on these cars and may not be the same arrangement as on boxcars and flats.

PE 2614-3673; F-50-8 40' flat cars delivered in 1923 (150 cars).

PE 30000-30149; F-50-9 40' flat cars delivered in 1924 (150 cars). (Some of the Arrowhead tank cars converted from flat cars may have had the feature as well).

PE 2700-2899; B-40-13 40' SS boxcars delivered in 1924 (200 cars).

Possibly PE 10000-10599; B-40-14 SS boxcars delivered in 1924 (600 cars). 

In the rosters in Tony Thompson's epic books, all but the boxcars are called out with the special brake rigging. He mentions the B-40-13s as having this in a photo cutline (on a survivor at the OREM, but seem to recall they had several when I was last there in the 1975). I saw nothing about PE B-40-14s being so equipped. The PE-40-14 photos in his book are all taken from the wrong side or end to show this, as it can only be seen clearly in a photo that shows the truck on the corner closest to the brake wheel. Ira Swett's CARS OF PACIFIC ELECTRIC V. 3 does not mention the special brake rigging at all, and the few photos there are too small and grainy to tell. Martin Loftin's instructions for his kits imply, but don't state clearly, that both classes had them on the PE. Maybe Tony would like to chime in on this

It also seems that PE 6200-6249, W-50-3 40' Hart ballast cars also had something similar to this feature, but that may have had more to do with the outside hung K-brake cylinders on the  heavily trussed underframes.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff 

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: questions regarding ACF Carbon Black Hopper

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

Johannes,

Were you aware that Funero & Camerlengo have kits for carbon black cars? See http://fandckits.com/HOFreight/6310.html 

Yours Aye,


Garth Gorff  🦆


On Thu, Feb 4, 2021 at 9:08 AM vapeurchapelon <j.markwart@...> wrote:
Hello friends,

please have a look to these ebay auctions of differently lettered but otherwise identical cars:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Overland-OMI-3274-4-ACF-Carbon-Black-hopper-Micronex-Columbian-Carbon-F-P-brass/233883368291?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Overland-OMI-3274-3-ACF-Carbon-Black-hopper-JM-Huber-Corp-F-P-brass/333878132958?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Overland-OMI-3274-1-ACF-Carbon-Black-hopper-Cabot-F-P-brass/233883372581?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649

I would like to get one of these, but at first have questions which need an answer in order to decide for or against a purchase.
1. How many of these cars were in existence? Were they very rare?
2. Did they travel nationwide or usually not far around their owners?
3. The Micronex car is most attractive to me, but the "NEW date" is 1934 - far too early for my period of post-war years. Is this lettering scheme correct for my period that I only would have to change that date?

Lots of thanks

Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953


Re: Pacific Electric

radiodial868
 

I was really into the PE in the early 1970's (having been born in SoCal), Let me see if I can find my ETT from the 1930's that contained the restrictions. I also purchased photos form the Huntington and couple of commercial sellers back then and you can see how sharp the curves were.  Wish I could share them, but it'll bring out the ire of the Fair Use dudes again.
Garth, I recall one of the photos showed a PE stockcar (RH side unfortunately) and you can't see the number. Probably an S-40-4. This was still the era of stock pens downtown. Any info on those?
--
-------------------
RJ Dial

Mendocino, CA


Re: Pacific Electric

Tim O'Connor
 


Garth, I wonder if that rigging (ref for the 1,300-1,900 #'s?) disappeared on cars that received AB brakes. Any idea?

Every single PE freight car photo I've seen is the right side (B-end to the left) or is from the A-end. :-P


On 2/3/2021 3:19 PM, Garth Groff and Sally Sanford wrote:
Tim and Paul,

The PE's special brake rigging was designed so the cars could go around a 45-foot radius curve. Not all PE cars had this feature, but a surprising number did. In fact, there were at least 1,300 such cars, maybe as many as 1,900. It appears the brake rigging was applied to cars built in the 1920s, and I know of no evidence for its use on earlier cars, except possibly Hart ballast gondolas (see below).

PE 5900-5999, 6000-6099, and 20000-20599; G-50-9 GS gondolas delivered in 1923 and 1924 (800 cars). The feature seems to be invisible on these cars and may not be the same arrangement as on boxcars and flats.

PE 2614-3673; F-50-8 40' flat cars delivered in 1923 (150 cars).

PE 30000-30149; F-50-9 40' flat cars delivered in 1924 (150 cars). (Some of the Arrowhead tank cars converted from flat cars may have had the feature as well).

PE 2700-2899; B-40-13 40' SS boxcars delivered in 1924 (200 cars).

Possibly PE 10000-10599; B-40-14 SS boxcars delivered in 1924 (600 cars). 

In the rosters in Tony Thompson's epic books, all but the boxcars are called out with the special brake rigging. He mentions the B-40-13s as having this in a photo cutline (on a survivor at the OREM, but seem to recall they had several when I was last there in the 1975). I saw nothing about PE B-40-14s being so equipped. The PE-40-14 photos in his book are all taken from the wrong side or end to show this, as it can only be seen clearly in a photo that shows the truck on the corner closest to the brake wheel. Ira Swett's CARS OF PACIFIC ELECTRIC V. 3 does not mention the special brake rigging at all, and the few photos there are too small and grainy to tell. Martin Loftin's instructions for his kits imply, but don't state clearly, that both classes had them on the PE. Maybe Tony would like to chime in on this

It also seems that PE 6200-6249, W-50-3 40' Hart ballast cars also had something similar to this feature, but that may have had more to do with the outside hung K-brake cylinders on the  heavily trussed underframes.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff 

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Dalman-Andrews trucks with LM

Ken Soroos
 

Here’s the Soo version of this truck and the major car type with which it was used.  These Soo cars were discussed by Ted Cullotta in his Essential Freight Car series.  1000 of these cars were built by Pullman and Siems-Stembel from 1928 through 1930.  These were the last of the Soo’s “sawtooth” boxcars.

Kits for this car were produced by Sunshine in HO scale and by Chooch in O-Ultrascale.  The Soo Line Historical and Technical Society is hoping to have a limited number of one-piece body resin versions of this car available in the near future.  Soo modelers will also be excited about having this truck available.

Ken Soroos
Special Projects, SLHTS





Re: Rio Grande decals - assistance please

Jack Burgess
 

San Juan Decals (http://sanjuandecals.com/) might have what you want.

Jack Burgess

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, February 3, 2021 5:24 PM
To: RealSTMFC@groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Rio Grande decals - assistance please

 

I need some help finding the appropriate decals for a car I’m doing for a friend.  I am not a D&RGW modeler.

 

I would appreciate assistance in finding the best decals for the job.

 

Thanks

 

Schuyler Larrabee

 

schuyler (DOT) larrabee (AT) Verizon (DOT) net


Re: questions regarding ACF Carbon Black Hopper

Tim O'Connor
 


I forgot to include this photo of a JMHX 3600 cuft rebuild. All of the JMHX 3000 cuft cars were rebuilt
as 3600 cuft between 1959 and 1963.


On 2/4/2021 9:07 AM, vapeurchapelon wrote:
Hello friends,

please have a look to these ebay auctions of differently lettered but otherwise identical cars:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Overland-OMI-3274-4-ACF-Carbon-Black-hopper-Micronex-Columbian-Carbon-F-P-brass/233883368291?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Overland-OMI-3274-3-ACF-Carbon-Black-hopper-JM-Huber-Corp-F-P-brass/333878132958?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Overland-OMI-3274-1-ACF-Carbon-Black-hopper-Cabot-F-P-brass/233883372581?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649

I would like to get one of these, but at first have questions which need an answer in order to decide for or against a purchase.
1. How many of these cars were in existence? Were they very rare?
2. Did they travel nationwide or usually not far around their owners?
3. The Micronex car is most attractive to me, but the "NEW date" is 1934 - far too early for my period of post-war years. Is this lettering scheme correct for my period that I only would have to change that date?

Lots of thanks

Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] OMI 3-compartment insulated tank is too big?

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

From the many photos I have seen over the years, there are enormous variations in capacities.  The users had varied needs, so did the tank cars.

 

I like the cars that had the tank capacities stenciled on the dome.

 

Places like USSteel’s Clairton Works shipped three different products in one car, so had similar capacity compartments.

 

Users that shipped clean oil in, and used oil out, sometimes had very different capacity compartments.

 

And those converted from single to triple compartment, often had a larger center compartment, and dome, than the outer compartments.

 

Things to make tank cars even more interesting….

 

Elden Gatwood

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of O Fenton Wells
Sent: Wednesday, February 3, 2021 6:53 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] OMI 3-compartment insulated tank is too big?

 

Charlie Southern Car co makes great 3 dome and 2 dome tank car kits.

Fenton

 

On Wed, Feb 3, 2021 at 5:13 PM Charlie Vlk <cvlk@...> wrote:

All-

Isn’t a three compartment tank smaller gallonage due to the extra tank bulkheads separating the compartments? That would make the 2K difference reasonable.
Charlie Vlk

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of nyc3001 .
Sent: Wednesday, February 3, 2021 3:02 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] OMI 3-compartment insulated tank is too big?

 

Hi guys,

I was comparing my model of the OMI 8k 3-compartment insulated wine tank car (3271) to the OMI GATX 10k insulated car (3229). The tanks look like they're the same diameter and length even though there's supposed to be a 2k gal. difference between them. Is the 3-compartment car's tank larger than the prototype?

Thanks,
Phil


 

--

Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd

Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...


Re: questions regarding ACF Carbon Black Hopper

Tim O'Connor
 


I think all of the models (brass - resin - plastic) represent one design - I am not certain which one!
It's either the 2850 cuft or the 3000 cuft car. But it's not the 3480 cuft design which was wider and
taller.

By 1953 SHPX series 25162 to 25181 was 20 2850 cuft cars. By 1972 the exact same
number series still has 19 cars but are now listed at 2998 cuft. Unfortunately the 1953 ORER
does not have the extreme height and width information listed in 1972, so all I can do is
guess that the cars were rebuilt by increasing the height slightly. 




On 2/4/2021 9:07 AM, vapeurchapelon wrote:
Hello friends,

please have a look to these ebay auctions of differently lettered but otherwise identical cars:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Overland-OMI-3274-4-ACF-Carbon-Black-hopper-Micronex-Columbian-Carbon-F-P-brass/233883368291?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Overland-OMI-3274-3-ACF-Carbon-Black-hopper-JM-Huber-Corp-F-P-brass/333878132958?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Overland-OMI-3274-1-ACF-Carbon-Black-hopper-Cabot-F-P-brass/233883372581?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649

I would like to get one of these, but at first have questions which need an answer in order to decide for or against a purchase.
1. How many of these cars were in existence? Were they very rare?
2. Did they travel nationwide or usually not far around their owners?
3. The Micronex car is most attractive to me, but the "NEW date" is 1934 - far too early for my period of post-war years. Is this lettering scheme correct for my period that I only would have to change that date?

Lots of thanks

Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: OMI 3-compartment insulated tank is too big?

Charlie Vlk
 

Fenton-

Yes, but I have no way to shrink them about 55 percent to N Scale!!!

Charlie

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of O Fenton Wells
Sent: Wednesday, February 3, 2021 6:53 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] OMI 3-compartment insulated tank is too big?

 

Charlie Southern Car co makes great 3 dome and 2 dome tank car kits.

Fenton

 

On Wed, Feb 3, 2021 at 5:13 PM Charlie Vlk <cvlk@...> wrote:

All-

Isn’t a three compartment tank smaller gallonage due to the extra tank bulkheads separating the compartments? That would make the 2K difference reasonable.
Charlie Vlk

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of nyc3001 .
Sent: Wednesday, February 3, 2021 3:02 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] OMI 3-compartment insulated tank is too big?

 

Hi guys,

I was comparing my model of the OMI 8k 3-compartment insulated wine tank car (3271) to the OMI GATX 10k insulated car (3229). The tanks look like they're the same diameter and length even though there's supposed to be a 2k gal. difference between them. Is the 3-compartment car's tank larger than the prototype?

Thanks,
Phil


 

--

Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd

Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] OMI 3-compartment insulated tank is too big?

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Guys;

 

I measured the OVL tank cars back in ~2009, and put this in my tank car presentation to the WPM.

Builder & Type

Frame Length over run Boards

Truck Center

Tank Length (O/L)

Tank Diameter

Dome Diameter

Dome Height

~Built

Date, or date in CBC

Cap.

Etc.

 

OVL insul 103

~36’

 

~33’9”

~92”

~65”

 

1941

8k

OVL GATC insulated 8k w/platform 3270

OVL insul 3-dome

~35’8”

 

~33’7”

90”

53”+67”

 

1940

8k

OVL GATC insulated 103 3-dome 3271

OVL insul 103

 

 

 

 

 

 

1930

10k

OVL GATC insulated 103 w/o platform  3229

OVL insul 2-dome

~36’4”

 

~34’6”

92”

69”

 

1930

10k

OVL GATC insulated 103 2-dome 3230

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

ACF insul 103

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Prototype

OVL insul 103

~36’10”

 

~33’9”

94”

67”

 

 

 

OVL ACF insulated 10k w/platform

OVL insul 103

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

8k

OVL ACF insulated 8k w/platform 3133

OVLuninsul 2-dome

~36’1”

 

~32’8”

87”

60”

 

 

8k

OVL ACF uninsulated 103 2-dome 3131

OVLuninsul 3-dome

~36’1”

 

~32’8”

87”

60”

 

 

8k

OVL ACF uninsulated 103 3-dome 3132

 

Elden Gatwood

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of nyc3001 .
Sent: Thursday, February 4, 2021 1:08 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] OMI 3-compartment insulated tank is too big?

 

Thanks for the info guys. 

Fenton, I saw that the tank car kits on the SC&F site are all apparently unavailable. It seems like this is the only source of STC tank models.

-Phil


Re: questions regarding ACF Carbon Black Hopper

John Sykes III
 

I may  be wrong (and often are) but I think the Cabot car is closest to your time frame needs (car is stenciled "NEW 8-49").  These cars are still used to haul carbon black from the refineries along the Gulf coast to tire manufactures in Ohio (e.g., Firestone, Goodyear).  Carbon black is a byproduct of oil refining and is added to rubber tires to improve their durability and provide UV protection.  Cabot Carbon was a big actor in this business.  Alas, several of their former properties are now Superfund cleanup sites due to chemicals they dealt with.

-- John


Re: questions regarding ACF Carbon Black Hopper

Douglas Harding
 

The Society of Freight Car Historians published a 87 page “book” by Eric A. Neubauer in 1990, entitled "Carbon Black  Cars", ISSN 0884-027x.  This book not only explains the manufacture and uses of carbon black but, also lists the carbon black manufacturers and their locations as well as car rosters by cubic foot capacity with line drawings and, by operator, from 1933 to 1989.  The January 1997 issue of Railroad Model Craftsman had a photo and drawing of a 1964 vintage Thrall 4727 cu. ft. car.

 

The cars went everywhere. Any manufacturer that made rubber, ie tires, hoses, belts, used Carbon Black. Also paint producers. Production was at petroleum plants. The gulf coast was one location.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of vapeurchapelon
Sent: Thursday, February 4, 2021 8:08 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] questions regarding ACF Carbon Black Hopper

 

Hello friends,

please have a look to these ebay auctions of differently lettered but otherwise identical cars:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Overland-OMI-3274-4-ACF-Carbon-Black-hopper-Micronex-Columbian-Carbon-F-P-brass/233883368291?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Overland-OMI-3274-3-ACF-Carbon-Black-hopper-JM-Huber-Corp-F-P-brass/333878132958?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Overland-OMI-3274-1-ACF-Carbon-Black-hopper-Cabot-F-P-brass/233883372581?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649

I would like to get one of these, but at first have questions which need an answer in order to decide for or against a purchase.
1. How many of these cars were in existence? Were they very rare?
2. Did they travel nationwide or usually not far around their owners?
3. The Micronex car is most attractive to me, but the "NEW date" is 1934 - far too early for my period of post-war years. Is this lettering scheme correct for my period that I only would have to change that date?

Lots of thanks

Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953


Re: questions regarding ACF Carbon Black Hopper

Steve and Barb Hile
 

Richard Hendrickson did a nice article in January 2007 RMJ on Carbon Black cars which has background and photos

 

rmj_2007_1 – Trainlife.com Model Railroading Magazine Archive

 

Steve Hile

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of vapeurchapelon
Sent: Thursday, February 4, 2021 8:08 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] questions regarding ACF Carbon Black Hopper

 

Hello friends,

please have a look to these ebay auctions of differently lettered but otherwise identical cars:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Overland-OMI-3274-4-ACF-Carbon-Black-hopper-Micronex-Columbian-Carbon-F-P-brass/233883368291?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Overland-OMI-3274-3-ACF-Carbon-Black-hopper-JM-Huber-Corp-F-P-brass/333878132958?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Overland-OMI-3274-1-ACF-Carbon-Black-hopper-Cabot-F-P-brass/233883372581?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649

I would like to get one of these, but at first have questions which need an answer in order to decide for or against a purchase.
1. How many of these cars were in existence? Were they very rare?
2. Did they travel nationwide or usually not far around their owners?
3. The Micronex car is most attractive to me, but the "NEW date" is 1934 - far too early for my period of post-war years. Is this lettering scheme correct for my period that I only would have to change that date?

Lots of thanks

Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953


questions regarding ACF Carbon Black Hopper

vapeurchapelon
 

Hello friends,

please have a look to these ebay auctions of differently lettered but otherwise identical cars:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Overland-OMI-3274-4-ACF-Carbon-Black-hopper-Micronex-Columbian-Carbon-F-P-brass/233883368291?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Overland-OMI-3274-3-ACF-Carbon-Black-hopper-JM-Huber-Corp-F-P-brass/333878132958?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Overland-OMI-3274-1-ACF-Carbon-Black-hopper-Cabot-F-P-brass/233883372581?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649

I would like to get one of these, but at first have questions which need an answer in order to decide for or against a purchase.
1. How many of these cars were in existence? Were they very rare?
2. Did they travel nationwide or usually not far around their owners?
3. The Micronex car is most attractive to me, but the "NEW date" is 1934 - far too early for my period of post-war years. Is this lettering scheme correct for my period that I only would have to change that date?

Lots of thanks

Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953


Re: OMI 3-compartment insulated tank is too big?

O Fenton Wells
 

I wasn't sure but hopefully they will be back.


On Thu, Feb 4, 2021 at 1:08 AM nyc3001 . <nyc3001@...> wrote:
Thanks for the info guys. 

Fenton, I saw that the tank car kits on the SC&F site are all apparently unavailable. It seems like this is the only source of STC tank models.

-Phil



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Re: OMI 3-compartment insulated tank is too big?

nyc3001 .
 

Thanks for the info guys. 

Fenton, I saw that the tank car kits on the SC&F site are all apparently unavailable. It seems like this is the only source of STC tank models.

-Phil

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