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Re: Dalman-Andrews trucks with LM

al_brown03
 

One class of Seaboard boxcars (B-5) had Dalman-Andrews trucks too.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


Dalman-Andrews trucks with LM

Andy Carlson
 

Bill-
The time in the bar was explaining how to convert a Tahoe Model Works Dalmann 2-level with lateral motion device into an Andrews variation. Razor saw cuts, styrene strips, some NBW castings, some 0.010" wire and a bit of filing. From what Dennis Storzek added, in addition to the GN, Soo was the only other RR which had these trucks. The Eastern Car Works styrene Dalmann 2-level lends itself to easier mods, as it glues better than engineered plastics, but it is in another universe in appearance compared with the exquisite TMW's design.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

On Wednesday, February 3, 2021, 3:43:58 PM PST, WILLIAM PARDIE <pardiew001@...> wrote:


Rich:

I don't have any documentation for you but I would be the first customer.  Andy Carlson is quite well versed on the Dalman Andrew's.  He spent an evening in the bar at Naperville a while back detailing how to build one from a Kadee truck.

Now if someone would do the Santa Fe (two versions) Andrew's truck I would be the complete man.

Bill Pardie



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone


-------- Original message --------
From: Richard Remiarz <rremiarz@...>
Date: 2/3/21 12:41 PM (GMT-10:00)
To: RealSTMFC@groups.io, ResinFreightCarBuilders@groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Dalman-Andrews trucks

Greetings,

 

The Great Northern Railway Historical Society Modelers Committee is considering developing an HO scale Dalman-Andrews truck as one of our upcoming projects.  The first thing we are trying to determine is what kind of documentation exists on the trucks.  Do drawings exist anywhere?  I have seen drawings of many different trucks in various Car Builders Cyclopedias.  Were the Dalman-Andrews trucks featured in any of the CBCs?  Any help we can get would be appreciated, and could help bring a needed truck to the market.

 

Sincerely,

Rich Remiarz

Vadnais Heights, MN

Member GNRHS Modelers Committee

GNRHS Modelers’ Pages Coordinator

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Rio Grande decals - assistance please

Schuyler Larrabee
 

I need some help finding the appropriate decals for a car I’m doing for a friend.  I am not a D&RGW modeler.

 

I would appreciate assistance in finding the best decals for the job.

 

Thanks

 

Schuyler Larrabee

 

schuyler (DOT) larrabee (AT) Verizon (DOT) net


Re: 1954 Great Northern Perishable Interchange Traffic - Eastern Lines

Richard Wilkens
 

Had a request for Rock Island, here are some of them. Will try to find time to scan the others, in the middle of laying up a quarterly magazine.

Rich Wilkens


Re: OMI 3-compartment insulated tank is too big?

O Fenton Wells
 

Charlie Southern Car co makes great 3 dome and 2 dome tank car kits.
Fenton

On Wed, Feb 3, 2021 at 5:13 PM Charlie Vlk <cvlk@...> wrote:

All-

Isn’t a three compartment tank smaller gallonage due to the extra tank bulkheads separating the compartments? That would make the 2K difference reasonable.
Charlie Vlk

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of nyc3001 .
Sent: Wednesday, February 3, 2021 3:02 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] OMI 3-compartment insulated tank is too big?

 

Hi guys,

I was comparing my model of the OMI 8k 3-compartment insulated wine tank car (3271) to the OMI GATX 10k insulated car (3229). The tanks look like they're the same diameter and length even though there's supposed to be a 2k gal. difference between them. Is the 3-compartment car's tank larger than the prototype?

Thanks,
Phil



--
Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
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Re: 1954 Great Northern Perishable Interchange Traffic - Eastern Lines

Richard Wilkens
 

Here are the CGW interchanges.

Rich Wilkens


Re: Pacific Electric

SHAY STARK
 

Garth,

I have a photo of PE10237 taken in Centerville Utah on Bamberger Railroad with a packing date of 11-41 and BLT 6-24 B-50-14, that has the brake staff rigging located on the outside of the car. Unfortunately I don't have permission to post the photo. I also remember an article in Main Line Modeler in the 1990's that had a few photos of the PE cars along with the SP variants. I seem to remember at least one photo showing the brake staff rigging. Maybe someone has that article and could provide more information.

Shay Stark


Re: Dalman-Andrews trucks

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

Rich:

I don't have any documentation for you but I would be the first customer.  Andy Carlson is quite well versed on the Dalman Andrew's.  He spent an evening in the bar at Naperville a while back detailing how to build one from a Kadee truck.

Now if someone would do the Santa Fe (two versions) Andrew's truck I would be the complete man.

Bill Pardie



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone


-------- Original message --------
From: Richard Remiarz <rremiarz@...>
Date: 2/3/21 12:41 PM (GMT-10:00)
To: RealSTMFC@groups.io, ResinFreightCarBuilders@groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Dalman-Andrews trucks

Greetings,

 

The Great Northern Railway Historical Society Modelers Committee is considering developing an HO scale Dalman-Andrews truck as one of our upcoming projects.  The first thing we are trying to determine is what kind of documentation exists on the trucks.  Do drawings exist anywhere?  I have seen drawings of many different trucks in various Car Builders Cyclopedias.  Were the Dalman-Andrews trucks featured in any of the CBCs?  Any help we can get would be appreciated, and could help bring a needed truck to the market.

 

Sincerely,

Rich Remiarz

Vadnais Heights, MN

Member GNRHS Modelers Committee

GNRHS Modelers’ Pages Coordinator

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: Dalman-Andrews trucks

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

Rich:

I don't have any documentation for you but I would be the first customer.  Andy Carlson is quite well versed on the Dalman Andrew's.  He spent an evening in the bar at Naperville a while back detailing how to build one from a Kadee truck.

Now if someone would do the Santa Fe (two versions) Andrew's truck I would be the complete man.

Bill Pardie



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone


-------- Original message --------
From: Richard Remiarz <rremiarz@...>
Date: 2/3/21 12:41 PM (GMT-10:00)
To: RealSTMFC@groups.io, ResinFreightCarBuilders@groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Dalman-Andrews trucks

Greetings,

 

The Great Northern Railway Historical Society Modelers Committee is considering developing an HO scale Dalman-Andrews truck as one of our upcoming projects.  The first thing we are trying to determine is what kind of documentation exists on the trucks.  Do drawings exist anywhere?  I have seen drawings of many different trucks in various Car Builders Cyclopedias.  Were the Dalman-Andrews trucks featured in any of the CBCs?  Any help we can get would be appreciated, and could help bring a needed truck to the market.

 

Sincerely,

Rich Remiarz

Vadnais Heights, MN

Member GNRHS Modelers Committee

GNRHS Modelers’ Pages Coordinator

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Dalman-Andrews trucks

Richard Remiarz
 

Greetings,

 

The Great Northern Railway Historical Society Modelers Committee is considering developing an HO scale Dalman-Andrews truck as one of our upcoming projects.  The first thing we are trying to determine is what kind of documentation exists on the trucks.  Do drawings exist anywhere?  I have seen drawings of many different trucks in various Car Builders Cyclopedias.  Were the Dalman-Andrews trucks featured in any of the CBCs?  Any help we can get would be appreciated, and could help bring a needed truck to the market.

 

Sincerely,

Rich Remiarz

Vadnais Heights, MN

Member GNRHS Modelers Committee

GNRHS Modelers’ Pages Coordinator

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: OMI 3-compartment insulated tank is too big?

Charlie Vlk
 

All-

Isn’t a three compartment tank smaller gallonage due to the extra tank bulkheads separating the compartments? That would make the 2K difference reasonable.
Charlie Vlk

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of nyc3001 .
Sent: Wednesday, February 3, 2021 3:02 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] OMI 3-compartment insulated tank is too big?

 

Hi guys,

I was comparing my model of the OMI 8k 3-compartment insulated wine tank car (3271) to the OMI GATX 10k insulated car (3229). The tanks look like they're the same diameter and length even though there's supposed to be a 2k gal. difference between them. Is the 3-compartment car's tank larger than the prototype?

Thanks,
Phil


Re: OMI 3-compartment insulated tank is too big?

Bruce Smith
 

Phil,

Multicompartment tank cars have their compartments separated by domed “heads” within the tank. This represents a substantial volume that is not used for liquid storage, so your observation is not a surprise and seems accurate.

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

On Feb 3, 2021, at 3:02 PM, nyc3001 . <nyc3001@...> wrote:

Hi guys,

I was comparing my model of the OMI 8k 3-compartment insulated wine tank car (3271) to the OMI GATX 10k insulated car (3229). The tanks look like they're the same diameter and length even though there's supposed to be a 2k gal. difference between them. Is the 3-compartment car's tank larger than the prototype?

Thanks,
Phil


Re: Ho scale barbed wire along ROW

Jared Harper
 

I guess a group of modelers needs to chip in an buy one and share it.  Unfortunately I only need a couple of feet of barbed wire and do not have anyone to go in with.  I have purchased some Woodland Scenics barbed wire for my needs, probably not as nice as one made with the nifty device.

Jared Harper
Athens, GA


Re: Ho scale barbed wire along ROW

gary laakso
 

Was his sister named Barb?

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jared Harper
Sent: Wednesday, February 3, 2021 1:08 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Ho scale barbed wire along ROW

 

Bob Wire, I knew him when I rode the range.

Jared Harper


Re: Ho scale barbed wire along ROW

Jared Harper
 

Bob Wire, I knew him when I rode the range.

Jared Harper


Re: Pacific Electric

Paul Doggett
 

Garth 

Thank you very much. I need to spend more time reading my books 🙄🙄🙄

Paul Doggett.    England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 


On 3 Feb 2021, at 20:19, Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...> wrote:


Tim and Paul,

The PE's special brake rigging was designed so the cars could go around a 45-foot radius curve. Not all PE cars had this feature, but a surprising number did. In fact, there were at least 1,300 such cars, maybe as many as 1,900. It appears the brake rigging was applied to cars built in the 1920s, and I know of no evidence for its use on earlier cars, except possibly Hart ballast gondolas (see below).

PE 5900-5999, 6000-6099, and 20000-20599; G-50-9 GS gondolas delivered in 1923 and 1924 (800 cars). The feature seems to be invisible on these cars and may not be the same arrangement as on boxcars and flats.

PE 2614-3673; F-50-8 40' flat cars delivered in 1923 (150 cars).

PE 30000-30149; F-50-9 40' flat cars delivered in 1924 (150 cars). (Some of the Arrowhead tank cars converted from flat cars may have had the feature as well).

PE 2700-2899; B-40-13 40' SS boxcars delivered in 1924 (200 cars).

Possibly PE 10000-10599; B-40-14 SS boxcars delivered in 1924 (600 cars). 

In the rosters in Tony Thompson's epic books, all but the boxcars are called out with the special brake rigging. He mentions the B-40-13s as having this in a photo cutline (on a survivor at the OREM, but seem to recall they had several when I was last there in the 1975). I saw nothing about PE B-40-14s being so equipped. The PE-40-14 photos in his book are all taken from the wrong side or end to show this, as it can only be seen clearly in a photo that shows the truck on the corner closest to the brake wheel. Ira Swett's CARS OF PACIFIC ELECTRIC V. 3 does not mention the special brake rigging at all, and the few photos there are too small and grainy to tell. Martin Loftin's instructions for his kits imply, but don't state clearly, that both classes had them on the PE. Maybe Tony would like to chime in on this

It also seems that PE 6200-6249, W-50-3 40' Hart ballast cars also had something similar to this feature, but that may have had more to do with the outside hung K-brake cylinders on the  heavily trussed underframes.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆


On Wed, Feb 3, 2021 at 11:34 AM Paul Doggett via groups.io <paul.doggett2472=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:
Tim 

Thank you.

Paul Doggett.


On 3 Feb 2021, at 16:22, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:



I think you're extrapolating from an example, or a few, that don't represent the majority of PE freight cars.


On 1/25/2021 6:05 AM, Paul Doggett via groups.io wrote:
Hi

The Pacific Electrics own cars had an unusual hand brake arrangement because of the tight curves. Foreign cars must have traveled over the PE lines with standard handbrake linkage how was this done?


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


OMI 3-compartment insulated tank is too big?

nyc3001 .
 

Hi guys,

I was comparing my model of the OMI 8k 3-compartment insulated wine tank car (3271) to the OMI GATX 10k insulated car (3229). The tanks look like they're the same diameter and length even though there's supposed to be a 2k gal. difference between them. Is the 3-compartment car's tank larger than the prototype?

Thanks,
Phil


Re: Corn and Peanut Processing and Transportation Industry

David Wiggs
 

When I was stationed in Norfolk in the early 70s and would head home to NC, I'd take US13 through Suffolk and would sometimes take the alternate and turn left on Factory St.  I always thought it was so cool for that street to go between these huge buildings with RR tracks between them to the right.  Always thought what a great RR scene that would be to model.  I'm sure that's where your pictures were taken.
 
Davo in Orlando


Re: Ho scale barbed wire along ROW

fire5506
 

What is the thread that he uses. I know it's a metallic thread. For the 2 or three feet of barbed wire, I can't justify $100 for the tool he sells.
I did sit through his clinic at Proto rails and it is a cool thing. If you have a lot of barbed wire to string it is a real nice tool.

Richard Webster


Re: Pacific Electric

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

Tim and Paul,

The PE's special brake rigging was designed so the cars could go around a 45-foot radius curve. Not all PE cars had this feature, but a surprising number did. In fact, there were at least 1,300 such cars, maybe as many as 1,900. It appears the brake rigging was applied to cars built in the 1920s, and I know of no evidence for its use on earlier cars, except possibly Hart ballast gondolas (see below).

PE 5900-5999, 6000-6099, and 20000-20599; G-50-9 GS gondolas delivered in 1923 and 1924 (800 cars). The feature seems to be invisible on these cars and may not be the same arrangement as on boxcars and flats.

PE 2614-3673; F-50-8 40' flat cars delivered in 1923 (150 cars).

PE 30000-30149; F-50-9 40' flat cars delivered in 1924 (150 cars). (Some of the Arrowhead tank cars converted from flat cars may have had the feature as well).

PE 2700-2899; B-40-13 40' SS boxcars delivered in 1924 (200 cars).

Possibly PE 10000-10599; B-40-14 SS boxcars delivered in 1924 (600 cars). 

In the rosters in Tony Thompson's epic books, all but the boxcars are called out with the special brake rigging. He mentions the B-40-13s as having this in a photo cutline (on a survivor at the OREM, but seem to recall they had several when I was last there in the 1975). I saw nothing about PE B-40-14s being so equipped. The PE-40-14 photos in his book are all taken from the wrong side or end to show this, as it can only be seen clearly in a photo that shows the truck on the corner closest to the brake wheel. Ira Swett's CARS OF PACIFIC ELECTRIC V. 3 does not mention the special brake rigging at all, and the few photos there are too small and grainy to tell. Martin Loftin's instructions for his kits imply, but don't state clearly, that both classes had them on the PE. Maybe Tony would like to chime in on this

It also seems that PE 6200-6249, W-50-3 40' Hart ballast cars also had something similar to this feature, but that may have had more to do with the outside hung K-brake cylinders on the  heavily trussed underframes.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆


On Wed, Feb 3, 2021 at 11:34 AM Paul Doggett via groups.io <paul.doggett2472=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:
Tim 

Thank you.

Paul Doggett.


On 3 Feb 2021, at 16:22, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:



I think you're extrapolating from an example, or a few, that don't represent the majority of PE freight cars.


On 1/25/2021 6:05 AM, Paul Doggett via groups.io wrote:
Hi

The Pacific Electrics own cars had an unusual hand brake arrangement because of the tight curves. Foreign cars must have traveled over the PE lines with standard handbrake linkage how was this done?


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

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