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Speaking of PFE and Red Caboose. . .

Bill Welch
 

. . .has anyone noticed that Speedwitch has announced a new "Focus on Freight Cars" with Reefers as the subject matter. Ted said there are several examples for modeling the Red Caboose kits. The subject matter is primarily PFE (66%) and secondarily NWX (33%). The photos have never been published anywhere and there are many detail photos. Just a reminder that the subject matter is dependent on the collection he has accessed and is printing.


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Bill Welch


Re: plastic solvent cements - again

Craig Zeni
 

On Jun 1, 2016, at 3:54 AM, STMFC@yahoogroups.com wrote:

1a. Re: plastic solvent cements - again
Posted by: "John Golden" golden1014@yahoo.com golden1014
Date: Tue May 31, 2016 2:29 am ((PDT))

Hi Ed,

I think I've used them all over the last 40 years. I prefer Tamiya the best and use it exclusively. Try Tamiya 87038 Extra Thin Cement Glue with the green top.

I accidentally left the lid off my bottle last week and the next day most/all of the solvent was still there. I recall leaving the lid cracked on my Testors and/or Tenax and after a day or two it was gone.

Hope this helps.
The Ambroid ProWeld was good stuff but went unavailable. It's now been duplicated by Minuteman Models...saw it at the RPM in Enfield CT last weekend along with a full and glorious selection of Scalecoat II paint on his table. It warmed my heart to see it all available as it's still my preferred paint.

Craig Zeni
Cary NC


Re: Truck mounting

Andy Miller
 

Don,



While I don’t have any of the specific cars you mention, I have many trucks with the wider hole designed to fit over a boss on the body bolster. In fact, I believe that long ago this was the NMRA RP. Today the NMRA calls for a standard #2 hole in the truck bolster. A standard #2 screw, wood or 2-56, leaves room for such a truck to wiggle around when there is no boss on the body bolster. My solution is to use a 2-56 pan head screw available from Micro Fasteners. This head is slightly larger in diameter (and shorter in height) and thus fills the truck bolster and eliminates the “wiggle” room.



Regards,



Andy Miller



From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2016 9:10 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] Truck mounting





Hello folks,



In enlarging my fleet of Rutland #8000 and #9000 series boxcars six more of Dennis Storzeks

kits for these double sheathed NYC cars have been assembled. As many of you know, these are

resin kits in which the body bolsters are soft metal castings. The castings were designed to accept

truck having a large enough hole in their bolster to slip over the ring of the body bolster. The

prototype used Bettendorf T-section trucks and I prefer to use the Kadee trucks of that style on

the models. However, the bolster of the Kadee trucks will have to be drilled out to slip over the

ring of the body bolster unless it is filed off. In looking at models of these cars assembled some

years ago I found that on some I had filled the body bolster smooth at this point but on some

had drilled out the truck bolster to slip over the ring. I've not noticed any difference in the

operation of the two different methods used to mount the trucks but wonder how others have

mounted trucks on such body bolsters and what their experience might have been. Any

thoughts based on actual experience, not "theory" would be appreciated.



Cordially, Don Valentine





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Re: "X" Markings On Boxcars?

Douglas Harding
 

There is a pair of photos of a CNW X LCL boxcar being loaded and unloaded, in the LOC FSA photo collection.

http://www.loc.gov/pictures/collection/fsa/item/owi2001014851/PP/resource/

http://www.loc.gov/pictures/collection/fsa/item/owi2001014852/PP/resource/

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 


Re: NYCSHS Central Headlight 2nd Qtr 2016 - NYC Automobile Cars 1916-1953

Fran Giacoma
 

I would like to model the 7000 series as pictured on Ben's link below.
Would this C&BT kit work?
 

 

Which end doors from Westerfield (part # 1112 or 2812) would be the closest to the NYC ones?
Thanks.
Fran Giacoma


Re: Reefer trains

Bruce Smith
 

Steve,

On the PRR there were “TRS” trains that were specifically designate to expedite empty tank cars, reefers and stock cars west.  These were reduced in number in the late 1930s and even more so post WWII.

Regards

Bruce


Bruce F. Smith            

Auburn, AL

https://www5.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."



On Jun 5, 2016, at 10:48 PM, STMFC@... wrote:


Steve Sandifer writes:


"We all have seen the photos of complete or nearly complete ice reefer
trains going from the west coast toward the east. My question concerns how
they returned empty. In high demand seasons, did the railroad give priority
to taking compete trains of EMPTY cars back to the west, or were the empties
interspersed with other cars in manifest freights?"

Without conducting a thorough study, I can say that my UP Frt Conductor's
book indicates that frt train consists traveling west between Laramie and
Rawlins, WY, included MT PFE reefer trains in 1949. OTOH, only two in the 17
or so west bound MT PFE trains were primarily PFE reefers.

UP did have trains dedicated  strongly to specific functions. Hence, there
were lumber trains, tank car trains [ loaded eastbound and MT west bound
headed to Sinclair, WY ]. Similarly, there were stock trains headed west.
Add to that trains of coal...usually for company use. Many WBs were
merchandise trains that could contain just about anything. Of course the
consists of loaded reefer trains would depend upon the time of year. My frt
conductor book contains data from April 1949 and the PFE trains are carrying
a large number of spuds.

Having said the above, UP seems to have "filled" out trains of a specific
item like cattle, oil, lumber, PFE  loads or MT's with other stuff. It's
never simple.

Mike Brock




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Take a look at the Erie Boxcar!

gary laakso
 

Its in this photo in the middle and it appears to be the rebuilt Erie boxcar that Speedwitch has produced in resin due to its panels showing by weathering.  Mine needs LOTS of weathering to match it!  Thanks for posting it with your “X” pictures, Bob.
 
I recall that the “X” indicated restricted shuttle service on the CNW.

 
 
gary laakso
south of Mike Brock
 
 



Re: "X" Markings On Boxcars?

Jack Mullen
 

John Barry wrote

If I am recalling correctly, that X on the door denoted explosives, at least during WWII.  

Sorry, I think you're recalling a piece of railfan mythology, which unfortunately gained currency when repeated in a caption in one of Don Ball's photo books.

As  Doug Harding correctly reported, these cars were used to transfer LCL between C&NW's downtown freight houses and the huge one at Proviso Yard, which was the major hub and sorting center for LCL moving to, from, or thru Chicago on the North Western.

Jack Mullen 


Re: "X" Markings On Boxcars?

Douglas Harding
 

Bob the C&NW (whose yard is in the photos) put those large white Xs on box car doors to designate them for LCL use in the Chicago market. While reports vary, my understanding was the cars only traveled between various freight houses in Chicago.

 

I know an article on C&NW LCL operations is in the works for the C&NW Modeler, the online magazine.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 


Re: Reefer trains

Mikebrock
 

Steve Sandifer writes:


"We all have seen the photos of complete or nearly complete ice reefer trains going from the west coast toward the east. My question concerns how they returned empty. In high demand seasons, did the railroad give priority to taking compete trains of EMPTY cars back to the west, or were the empties interspersed with other cars in manifest freights?"

Without conducting a thorough study, I can say that my UP Frt Conductor's book indicates that frt train consists traveling west between Laramie and Rawlins, WY, included MT PFE reefer trains in 1949. OTOH, only two in the 17 or so west bound MT PFE trains were primarily PFE reefers.

UP did have trains dedicated strongly to specific functions. Hence, there were lumber trains, tank car trains [ loaded eastbound and MT west bound headed to Sinclair, WY ]. Similarly, there were stock trains headed west. Add to that trains of coal...usually for company use. Many WBs were merchandise trains that could contain just about anything. Of course the consists of loaded reefer trains would depend upon the time of year. My frt conductor book contains data from April 1949 and the PFE trains are carrying a large number of spuds.

Having said the above, UP seems to have "filled" out trains of a specific item like cattle, oil, lumber, PFE loads or MT's with other stuff. It's never simple.

Mike Brock


Re: "X" Markings On Boxcars?

John Barry
 

Bob,

If I am recalling correctly, that X on the door denoted explosives, at least during WWII.  
 
John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736



From: "thecitrusbelt@... [STMFC]"
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Sunday, June 5, 2016 5:35 PM
Subject: [STMFC] "X" Markings On Boxcars?

 
These are links to three Jack Delano images from the Library of Congress collection that were published on Shorpy.
 
 
 
 
In the background off to the left in each image are boxcars with large Xs on them. What do the X markings on the boxcars represent?
 
Thanks.
 
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA



Whose model is this?

Jared Harper
 

I ran accross this picture on the Internet. Who built this model?

Jared Harper
Athens, GA


Different terms for the same thing ...Friction and other types of bearings

Mikebrock
 

As we ponder the various messages associated with multiple terms used to represent the same thing [ for example, "friction, plain, and solid" bearings, ] I would think that we should not be too surprised. Multiple terms representing the same thing is not uncommon, particularly in the railroad world. For example, no real Union Pacific "working railroaders" back in the 40]'s/50's would refer to a UP 4-8-4 as a "Northern". Instead, it was an "800". Similarly, a Challenger was a "3900", a 4-8-8-4 was a "4000"...not a Big Boy...and a 4-12-2 was a "9000"...not a "Union Pacific" type. If management wanted to describe such engines as Challengers or Big Boys...fine. But operations types called them 3900's and 4000's.

Regarding "friction bearings", the term actually has some support from the railroad industry. The book, The Steam Locomotive, written in 1942 by Ralph Johnson, Chief Engineer for Baldwin Locomotive Works, contains a chapter on "Resistance" [ Chapter 12 ] in which he writes about journal resistance. As Tony Thompson has noted, Johnson writes that ..."As the speed of a train increases, the difference in frictional resistance between the two types of bearings [ solid and roller bearing ] decreases rapidly , and above a speed of 10 mph the difference becomes very small". He adds, "In cold weather the starting resistance of a train with solid bearings is quite high and therefore the acceleration of a train with roller bearings is aided very materially". He continues, "The actual economy in the use of roller bearings is found in lower maintenance costs, reduced inspection, and these savings must be blanced aghasinst increased initial costs".

Interestingly, in this chapter, on pages 181 and 182, Johnson uses the term "friction bearing" although most references are termed "solid bearings".

BTW, for what its worth, the term "Turnout" is NOT a model railroad term. In a book titled "Elements of Railroad Track and Construction", published in 1915, there is a chapter titled "Circular Turnouts" and another: "Practical Turnouts".

Mike Brock


Re: Friction Bearings

Nelson Moyer <ku0a@...>
 

Robert, you can add the CB&Q term ‘motors’ when  referring to diesel locomotives. In Q parlance, they were all motors. As for steam locomotives, they were engines.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2016 10:18 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Friction Bearings

 

 

Brad, I was just going to make the same reply, so I'll just tag on to yours.  I was in the operating (conductor, trainmaster) department and I worked with carmen & others that dealt directly with bearings.

I heard the term "soild bearing" maybe a few times.  The rest of the time it was "friction bearing".

If you, as a newbie car dept. or operation employee were to call them "solid bearings", you'd be suspected of being a "foamer".

So we have the bizzarre situation where most real railroaders use the "incorrect" term while railfans stand on the sidelines, gonna  school 'em.  (Similar to "switch" / "turnout", "engine" / "locomotive", etc.)

I've made this comment at least three times on different Yahoo groups, it never made a difference.  I fully expect non-railroader railfans to argue about this, again.  I'll keep calling them friction bearings.

Robert Simpson

ex-UP, Amtrak California, AC&J, PAR


Resin kits for sale

needles_sub@...
 

My apologies. I forgot to include there is a $5.00 shipping charge on the kits. shipping will be combined. Thanks. Jan Podganski Jr 


Resin kits for sale

needles_sub@...
 

I have the following kits for sale. Please contact me off list.


Rocket Express       RI-2 40' Auto Boxcar w/fixed ends.   $40.00

                                RI-4 50' Auto Boxcar w/fixed ends.   $40.00


Sunshine                 #17.7R  SP B-50-14 Radial murphy roof, dreadnaught ends    $40.00

                                #26.9     W&LE 25000 Creco Door                                            $40.00

                                #18.2     C&O AAR 1937 boxcar w/DECO ends                        $40.00

                                #18.5     GN AAR 1937 boxcar tongue in grove, side facing

                                                                      goat, 1940-50s                                     $40.00

                                #44.3      PRR X-37b 12'6" Y'town Drs, 10'8" IH, wood

                                                                            running board

                                #29.2      Birmingham Southern war emergency boxcar with

                                               black and white logo                                                    $40.00

                                #39.13     M&A 8'6" IH Howe Truss Boxcar                                $40.00

                                #65.1       NP 14500,20000 S/S boxcar                                      $40.00

                                #39.12     ATSF Bx-22 40'Howe Truss Boxcar, Indented

                                                D'naught ends                                                             $40.00

                                                           


                                Private Stock   ATSF Fe-15 40' autocar w/end door, ship

                                                         and travel lettering                                              $45.00



                                 #30.6     PRR F-30a 50' flatcar  commonwealth cast frame

                                                1934-50s                                                                      $25.00

                                #10.8      PRR X-31F Jeep/Auto Car Turtleback roof.                  $40.00

                                #21.28     SAL 1932 Pullman ARA boxcar, Robert E Lee            $40.00

                                #U4.1      PRR X-26c Pre war Y'town door, straight panel roof  

                                                circle keystone.                                                             $25.00


Unkown maker                        Northern Pacific 83750-83999 stock car                       $40.00


Speedwitch Media  K111 PM/C&O 88000 series single sheathed auto boxcar            $30.00

                                K108 Soo Line sawtooth S/S boxcar                                             $30.00

                                K121.1 Erie 7000 series rebuilt steel box car.                               $30.00


Again, please contact me off list if these kits interest you. Thanks so much.

Jan Podganski Jr


     

                                                  

                            


Truck mounting

Don Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
 

Hello folks,

     In enlarging my fleet of Rutland #8000 and #9000 series boxcars six more of Dennis Storzeks 
kits for these double sheathed NYC cars have been assembled. As many of you know, these are
resin kits in which the body bolsters are soft metal castings. The castings were designed to accept 
truck having a large enough hole in their bolster to slip over the ring of the body bolster. The 
prototype used Bettendorf T-section trucks and I prefer to use the Kadee trucks of that style on
the models. However, the bolster of the Kadee trucks will have to be drilled out to slip over the 
ring of the body bolster unless it is filed off. In looking at models of these cars assembled some
years ago I found that on some I had filled the body bolster smooth at this point but on some
had drilled out the truck bolster to slip over the ring. I've not noticed any difference in the 
operation of the two different methods used to mount the trucks but wonder how others have
mounted trucks on such body bolsters and what their experience might have been. Any 
thoughts based on actual experience, not "theory" would be appreciated. 

Cordially, Don Valentine


Re: PFE decals Re: Tichy Decals

George Hollwedel
 

Go to the N Scale button, I found them there
 
Prototype N Scale Models (TM)
by George Hollwedel
2108 Buffalo Tundra Dr
Austin, TX 78754-5960
512-579-0539
http://special.micro-trainsline.com/george-hollwedel.html
http://www.atlasrr.com/special.htm
http://intermountain-railway.com/n/sr/nsr.htm
http://www.bluford-shops.com/bluford_93_014.htm



From: "'Claus Schlund' claus@... [STMFC]"
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Sunday, June 5, 2016 5:17 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] PFE decals Re: Tichy Decals



Hi Paul and List Members,
 
Paul wrote: “They just announced a bunch of PFE decals in multiple scales this week”
 
I’m not seeing the ‘multiple scales’ part – the site mentions HO at the bottom of the referenced page. Am I missing something?
 
Claus Schlund
 
 
 
Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2016 10:44 AM
Subject: [STMFC] PFE decals Re: Tichy Decals
 


They just announced a bunch of PFE decals in multiple scales this week.
 
 
Paul
 
Paul Krueger
Seattle, WA
 





Re: PFE decals Re: Tichy Decals

Paul Krueger
 

Claus, if you click into the 'Shop' and select the scale that interests you, there will be a link for decals.

For instance, here is the link to the N scale decals.
N SCALE DECALS

 


Paul

Paul Krueger
Seattle, WA


Re: Reefer trains (Santa Fe)

thecitrusbelt@...
 

As for the Santa Fe, here is a segment of the testimony of Santa Fe official D. A. Baumgartner before the Interstate Commerce Commission on Transcontinental Divisions  on Sep. 5, 1956:

 

"Ordinarily, refrigerator cars are returned to us via the junctions at which the cars were delivered to our connections under load.  (this means they retrace their path in the return movement)  However, from about March 1, to July 31 because of the peak seasonal loading in May June and July, we find it necessary to expedite the empty return movement of our cars from the East and Midwest by directing our connections to deliver them at any junction.  This reduces the empty mileage on other railroads, principally our Midwestern connections, and increased the empty mileage on the Santa Fe."

 

Santa Fe ran whole trains of empty refrigerator cars westbound. These were operated as symbol freights using expedited schedules.

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

 

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